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That's because most of his ppts are around 20-30 MB. He uses a lot of pictures, so they take forever to download.
 
snow's took about 20 min to fully download . . . krueger made such a point of having us read his notes beforehand, but its 9:00, and he hasn't got any freakin notes up yet! and apparently no one wants us to have our computers in class-- thats fine, but how come they told us to all along, until today??
 
Soon you will learn...never listen to Kreuger. He's a great guy, but I really think he makes things up as he goes (good people).
 
Krueger's notes are in the bookstore...

Can you elabroate on "never listen to Kreuger...:
 
Kreuger loves to talk, he's just a goofy sort of guy. I never take anything he says too seriously, thats all. I think he makes up statistics and I think he tells tall tales, all in good fun though. He's harmless. Don't worry, you will see what I mean as you get to know him!
 
Is it November yet? 😛
 
How long have you guy's been in school? You are beginning to scare me about starting--you all seem so stressed out already.
 
Yeah...today is day 2
 
Its day 2 and you all are THIS stressed out? WHY?
 
Gross Anatomy sucks and they've scared the crappies outta all of us, that's why.....
 
Okay MSI's...time for a pep talk.

You guys and gals need to chill a little bit. Your first quiz on Friday is fairly easy and then the fun begins. The way that they've scheduled anatomy for your class is VERY nice, so please take advantage of the free time you have after class ends. If you specifically are looking for how they will test, I have old tests that are part of the test pack you can purchase in a little bit from our class. I already have to give them to my littles (all THREE of them), but I will maybe stick a copy in the library for the rest of your class.

Again, this stuff takes some adjustment, and you will have to work through the studying and find what works. STUDY THE NOTES THEY (Krueger and Buck) GAVE YOU!!! I cannot stress that enough. They gave them to you for a reason. Plus, Krueger and Kuleza stress things in lecture (learn to put TQ by those things and know them cold). Please don't freak out when you have such a long road ahead of you. You will all get through this. If you need specific help, I can sit down with you and direct your studying, just send me a PM.

Good luck to you all.

njdo
 
Crappies.... lol :laugh:

I just finished my 6 hr study block....YEH!!!

I would LOVE to know how the questions are phrased. Personally, if I knew what to plan for, I know I could do this.
Do I need all the detail, some of the detail, general concepts? Are the questions straightforward, do they make you think??

FYI, I've only freaked out two times so far...yesterday and today. 😀 j/k

Dr_Sax
 
Dr_sax,

Since you replied first, you get my extra copy. If you want to share them with the other students in your class, feel free. Just PM me with your locker number and I'll put them in tomorrow morning when I get in.

njdo
 
my big didn't show up. she sent her roommate. who told me she partied a lot so not to worry. which didn't really help.(i'll just add in here that my advisor didn't show up to lunch during orientation either, i've been yelled at by steve kovaks twice, and once by dr buck-- yes that was me who was called down in front after anatomy today . . . .) it also doesn't help that we're getting a million mixed messages. the teachers tell us its all easy, and to just sit and listen and we'll all get 100s. then MSIIs come in and tell us how they failed and had to remediate and they wish they had gone to anatomy lab everyday for 20 hours. so basically . . .its just confusing. not to mention i'm still just trying to get organized and i keep falling asleep in lecture 🙄
ps- njdo, i think i saw you at the glenwood Y . . . .
 
Raspberry-That was me! I'm not sure which one you were. There are so many new faces that I get MSI's and Pharm students confused.

I will give you as honest of advice as I can.

Buck's notes need a lot of work to truly get a hold of them, but if you get down his notes, you shouldn't have too much trouble with his test questions. Read his objectives while you're studying his notes.

The other members of the Anatomy crew are pretty straight-forward except for Richards. He will pull questions out of his rear-end and claim that they were on a slide. Snow likes to give freebies as do Krueger and Kulesza. Just study their notes and concentrate on what they emphasized in class while reviewing the other info on their slides to cover your butt.

As far as anatomy lab, I would recommend not spending a TON of time in there. I think you will find that it doesn't take too much time to get a grasp of identifying everything (this depends on how visual of a learner you are). Especially since your class has prosections, this should be even easier. I wish I had spent more time in the books and less in the lab. You just get to a point where you look at the same stuff over and over when you should be studying the book material (the minutia). I would perhaps recommend 1-2 hours in the lab each night just to keep yourself in prime shape and maybe 4 hours each weekend day (ie. Sat. and Sun.).

I wouldn't listen to the professors who say it's cake (obviously it's cake to them). I wouldn't listen to the people who remediated (obviously something went wrong there). Our class was the guinea pigs for this prosection experiment and Dr. Buck has admitted to students that they (the anatomy dept.) screwed up last year. The reason a lot of people from our class failed anatomy was because they (Buck and crew) were really disorganized (and it showed!). Plus we weren't allowed to have their powerpoint notes in the beginning! Take advantage of the opportunities that the professors are now giving you (lots more time to study and THEIR NOTES-BOUND!).

Good luck.

and get some sleep...
 
Listen to njdo on this one...he's absolutely right.

You guys will be much better off than we were. The main thing you need to do is to study your notes as well as you can and then find a way to incorporate the lab material into what you have learned. Don't freak out. It'll all come with time and repetition. Trust yourselves, and trust your own learning styles. They've gotten you this far. Don't worry about what other people are doing. All that leads to is frustration and panic. Neither of which will help you in the long run. (or on an exam)

Diligence pays off. So does down-time.

Balance is everything.
 
I have to agree with the MSII's here. Keep in mind that most of us passed Gross. I'm not saying that all of my exams were great, but in the end, I was pretty happy with my grade. Review the notes and do whatever you have to in order to get a set of old exams. (PM me if you are having a hard time finding exams... I'll let you copy mine)

Also, don't worry too much about Dr. Buck, Raspberry. It probably won't be the last time he gets upset with you. He can be very stern/strict/crabby... particularly in lab. However, he knows what he's talking about. Also, after the first 12 weeks, you rarely see him in the lecture hall.

My advice:

1) Consider Gross Anatomy as a sort of Boot Camp. Once you get through it, medical school gets a lot more comfortable.

2) If you are having a hard time with the exams, go to Krueger, Kulesza, or Snow for assistance. They are wonderful sources of information and will often drop a few hints on upcoming exams.

3) Find friends to study with. If you can find a good group, it makes all the difference in the world. I studied with 3 other people every day after lecture. We ALL passed Gross on the first try. (Although, all 4 of us took turns failing exams. It will happen, so don't panic!)

4) Spend lots of time in the lab, but try to limit your time in the lab to an hour or two at a time. If you're in there longer than that, it becomes overwhelming.

Sorry for the long post! Good luck! Keep working and you'll make it.😎
 
You guys will be fine. We say its hard because it is hard, but its not impossible. Don't be scared, and if I've learned one thing in med school its not to listen to other people. You are around a whole bunch of overachievers, and everyone will have their own advice, their own style of studying, their own pace. Good for them. It took me a while to quit comparing what I was doing with what everyone else was doing. Its also hard to all of a sudden not be one of the smartest people anymore. Everone is smart. Its an adjustment, but its humbling and its good.
Dr. Buck sucks in Anatomy, I hear he gets better once its over but I stay away so I will never know. He yelled and screamed at our lab group on a regular basis. But you know what? We all passed, and he got his BP raised. So who loses? He does. Just ignore him.

Smile a little every day, even if its fake, it makes you feel a little better. And hey, you are already more than half-done with week one. So you are already better off than you were 3 days ago!
 
Try saying thoracodorsal or iliocostalis 10 times fast. 😀

Living life as an abstract sequential in a concrete sequential world. 🙁 Dr_sax
 
Try being an abstract random at Lecom... I think that I confuse the heck out of the people that I study with!😉
 
As far as anatomy lab, I would recommend not spending a TON of time in there/QUOTE]
I would perhaps recommend 1-2 hours in the lab each night just to keep yourself in prime shape and maybe 4 hours each weekend day (ie. Sat. and Sun.).
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please correct my math if its wrong, but i'm pretty sure that adds up to about 18 hours in lab in addition to the 4 we already spend!!! how is that not a ton of time? dude, do you not sleep?
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4 hours of sleep each night for me. Of course lately I've been getting 5, but still, I manage. Your schedule allows for a lot of free time to study and go to the lab (though it may not seem like it, you do have a lot more free time to study on your own). Take advantage of those days when you get out early in the afternoon. Use that time to study the book material and then go to the lab at night for 1-2 hours. Don't spend too much time on those bone boxes either. It's only ever 2-3 questions at most on the practical.
I didn't use that time off wisely--I'm not someone who studies that well during the day. I just hope others can use the advice that I think would have helped me out even more.

Good luck on your first quiz tomorrow.

njdo
 
If youre wise with your time in lab....you should not have to spend more than 1 hour every OTHER night. Another bit....the school opens at 8am on sat and sun....NO ONE IS THERE THAT EARLY!!!!! I usually went in at 8 and could get through everything by myself within an hour...both sat and sun. I always saved the Xrays for the busy times....if I came back in the evening. You do not need to spend massive quantities of time in there. Anatomy (especially the lab because its mainly ID) is a very easy subject...but it does take some time to get used to, if youve never had it before.
As far as sleep goes....I dont need much 5-6 hours a night (I get up at 5 to run)....but during school I NEVER studied past 12. Why bother....youll only screw up the next day. I recommend getting your average 6-8 hrs a night. Dont stress too much...most of you can get all this stuff over the weekends!!!!
stomper
 
Stomper,
It wasn't that easy....I still had to work my butt off. Not as much as what the MSIIs are saying, but they are dumber than us MSIIIs on the whole so that's probably why right?

Everyone just relax. The 2nd years now were just like you, scared so much that it started pissing off the class ahead of them. You'll be fine. Just study. How much? As much as you need to until you understand the material. Some of you are dumb, you will study more. Some are smart, they will study less. I was dumb. I studied a lot.

BUT that's all in the past. Just do it, learn it, and move on. Everyone has to do, and you'll all be fine. Thank God I never have to go through it ever, ever again.

So to all you MSI's (and MSIIs for that matter), I think I represent the MSIIIs (who are enjoying rotations and have no tests that count for over a year) by saying:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sucks to be you!
 
Take it from someone who made the mistakes and had to pay for it. What I should have done, and what you should do is:

1. Know Dr.Bucks notes to the point of being able to vomit any part at will.

2. Listen to Krueger, Snow, Kuleza, and put the TQ where they tell you, and know those things dead.

3. With Richars you just have to do the best you can.

4. For lab, memorize the list that they give you of the things you need to know, that way you have the names at your disposal. Go in with 1-2 people after you have the list down, and woodshed until you all can spout off said things and point to them. Sounds like a lot, but I promise you it will work.

Remember, get through this and the battle is .....Started!!!,

just kidding, this is gruelling, I know, but it will be worth it and you will get through.
 
Does the difficulty of the tests, even though the general material increases in complexity, correlate to who teaches the section? For instance, are Krueger's(or Kulesza's) tests easier because he points TQs out even though he teaches the most complex section? I have a feeling Buck's will be hard just because he's very anal(from what I gather so far).

Dr_Sax
 
I have to admit, I'm not clear on why or how our being scared pissed off the class of 2005. But I suppose some people look for things to get pissed off about, so I'm glad we could help you out there.

There's no reason to be scared, it won't change anything or make the material any easier. Some TQ's seem harder than others because some professors lecture on seemingly unrelated topics and expect you to know things you may never have seen before (ie Richards) but you take those questions, do your best, and count down to the end.

You will be fine. By the way, you guys look great in those white lab coats! Its so nice to see people in them who aren't ME! Yea!!

Brian is still the devil.

Good night.
 
The key on Bucks questions:
anywhere there is a "Note:........" in his notes, it will be a test question. It could be a second level question so know everything about that statement. His questions are actually the easiest of all the professors.
As far as Pissing off the class ahead....its the whining about the amount of studying that people feel they must do. I maybe averaged 2 hours a day during the week....and probably 6-8 on each sat and sun (but only on test weekends)..... until boards. The fear that the MSI have will annoy many....dont fear anything until the boards. Come april of MSII, then freak!
stomper
 
Stomper said what I was gonna say.

Buck seems harder (based on his anal rententiveness) in lecture and lab, but his questions are by far the most straight forward. Do not overthink them, as he is probably the only prof NOT trying to trick you. I did the best on the topics he covered and wished he'd have taught the entire course. It wasn't until Richards and the rest took over that I felt like I was an idiot.

Study time varies with each individual student, so do not get hung up on it unless you find you are really falling behind (or completely bomb a test).

Best of luck...

-Dio
 
I don't know where the MSIII's here think that the MSII's are whining. Myself and the others are just giving advice from my perspective. Just because I spent that much time studying doesn't mean that other people have to study that much. Each person is an individual (I hope we'd all realized that by now) and so it will be different for each person.

The other thing I wanted to mention is that each class was taught anatomy under different circumstances. The MSIII's had anatomy over the entire first semester along with some of the core classes. We had dissection and prosection in three months and had no notes to begin. It was different for us all.

Good luck

njdo
 
1) I realize that I should be able to "vomit" everything, but Buck kind of eluded that Origin and Insertion are not that important. With that said, at least 2 MS-II's have said not to worry about those at all as they usually are not test material... what do you all think?

2) I am having some trouble following Kulesza.... anyone else had that problem, or am I the only one riding the LECOM neuro-impaired special bus? Advice???

3) I suck at Anatomy!!!!

Kristen
____________________________________________________ Already Miserable LECOM 2007
 
You aren't the only one that can't follow Kuleza!
 
njdo...
I was inferring the MSIs...not the MSIIs. Yes you are correct...we did have it spread out (I personally think its easier and better this new way). Yeah...we had anatomy, along with embryo, histo, biochem, physio, pharm, path, micro, etc, all together....made for some interesting studying. There was a test every week in either the Cores or Anatomicals. Anyway, Im not nor was I trying to pick a fight. Just making a comment about the amount of studying MSIs always think they must do. To reiterate: Dr. S. told you on your first day that for every hour in lecture youd spend 3 hours studying....well that cant happen....later those that are LDP will average 30-35hours in lecture a week. Hmm....do the math...168 hours in a week-32.5 class-3(32.5) studytime/7= 5.4 hours a day to sleep, eat, shop for food, laundry, etc.....you cant live life like that.
Basically MSIs dont know how to accomplish so much in such little time and there is some whining about it, and it could and usually does drive the MSII class bonkers....(like they dont know about the amount of studying?!?!?)
Medical school is more about time management than anything.
stomper
 
First quiz of med school went well....we'll see how the first test goes 😕 From what Dr. Snow said in our PBL meeting, only 48/221 failed the quiz. So now the faculty are worried that we're going to get cocky and get our asses handed to us on the subsequent tests, which will probably happen.

Happy studying to everyone this weekend and EXCELLENT job(abstract seq.) if you are pleased with your quiz score(doing well is a relative term in Gross so I don't use the phrase). Hopefully I can get the smell off of my hands before my wife comes home 😉

Dr_Sax
 
Perhaps an MS2 PBLer can answer this:

1) Is it natural to attend the first PBL meeting and go "what the hell?" I'm glad I'm in PBL(especially since the PBL are doing better on COMLEX *cough rumor* 😀 ), but I feel like it's going to take some time before this becomes cool....oh, and is Dr. Snow ALWAYS like this?

2) How hard are these competency exams? How did you study for them? Alone or in groups?

Dr_Sax
 
The PBL process is extremely murky until around the end of the 1st semester. It begins to make sense rapidly once it is your main focus. My best advice is not to worry about the PBL exam that you have in early November. Focus on Anatomy.

Competency exams are not fun. I was lucky enough to pass all 3 on my first attempt, but most people I know failed at least one exam. The tests are purposely designed to fail a high percentage of students on the first try. They do this so that you will have to REALLY know the material before you move on. Again, don't worry about the competencies until November. Everyone in our class eventually passed all 3 exams, and you have until mid-January to pass them.

Finally, here's the scoop on last year's boards. 89% of the students at LECOM passed the boards. PBL pass rates were 95%. Only 2 students from PBL failed the exam. In addition, the 3rd highest COMLEX score in the country was a PBL. That student scored in the 700's, which is phenomenal. This is just one year's scores, but it's pretty impressive for those of us in the middle of PBL. Now, I guess it's up to our class to keep those scores high. (No pressure or anything!!!🙄 😱 )
 
By the way, Dr. Snow is just Dr. Snow. If you want good statistical information or if you want to know what you are doing right and what you are doing wrong, then I recommend that you run, not walk, to his office.
 
sddoc,
Just curious - are the numbers you quoted for the board scores for the class of 2004 or the class of 2005?
 
Dr. Krueger told us that these were the scores from the class of 2005. Apparently, they came in pretty recently. As you can imagine, Dr. Krueger was smiling from ear to ear!
 
If we have some expanded time frame to pass them, why are they part of our grade? And why wasn't it mentioned?
 
I can't believe someone got in the 700's on the COMLEX 😱 That is awesome...
 
The first semester doesn't technically end until January. If they haven't talked to you about it yet, I'm guessing that it's because they want you focused on anatomy, embryo, and histo. Trust me, there's plenty of time for competency exams. (However, your idea of "plenty of time" will change greatly over the next 4 or 5 months!)

700 on the Comlex is unbelievable!😱
 
Oh, so the end of "core" is the end of the semester? I get it now. Makes sense now but I haven't been thinking too much about it lately if you know what I mean.
 
hey everyone . . . i made a copy of those exams that dude jared left at kinkos, and i just wanted to clarify something-- there are a small handful of questions, maybe 3, that i think are about topics we never covered, and therefore those questions, or questions about those topics would not be on our exam on tuesday . . . . did anyone else also run into questions that were completely unfamiliar to them?? (or did i zone out way more than i thought?)

also-- the blue boxes. buck and someone else mentioned reading the clinically oriented blue boxes in the moore text, however, in the pages "assigned", there are a bazillion. what, and how much, of those do we have to know? afterall, there are only 40 questions on the test. thanks . . . .
 
Funny you should mention the blue boxes. I'm reading some of them now (and posting here 🙂 ). Buck specifically assigned some of those boxes (pg. 13 of his notes) so definetly know the implications of those. As far as the others go, I just look them and decide if it's relative to stuff we've covered. He also mentioned knowing/having an idea of the "clinical cases" at the end of the chapters. Hey what's another 2500 pages to read 😱 .
 
I'm pretty sure we need to know the blue boxes for the things he talked about- like spinal stenosis and fracture of the dens, etc. I noticed too that there were many more blue boxes than he bothered to mention, but I'm going to have to stick with the objectives.

Dr_Sax
 
Dr. Buck usually takes his test questions from his objectives, so I would stick to those. (Although sometimes his objectives pretty much cover all of his notes.) As somebody else said, anything that says "NOTE:" or is in boldface is important. He also asks a lot of clinical correlations, and almost always has at least one question about relationships (i.e. which of the following is lateral to blah blah blah). Once you figure him out the questions aren't that bad.

Good luck on your first exam! 😀
 
ok so i guess i'll try and squeeze in few of those frickin blue boxes . . .

does that spray stuff in the lab give anyone else a massive headahce?? i can only last about 30 min in there and suddenly it feels like my eyeballs are going to burst out of their sockets and then i'm completely out of commission for just about the rest of the day . . . i'm going to be in there wearing a SARS mask if it keeps up . . .
 
I'm actually the other way around...I notice the smell of the bodies more than the spray...the spray actually made it more appealing..I must be wired wrong.
 
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