Lesser know specialities that are not competitive?

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Hi Guys, quick question. What are some interesting lesser known specialities that are NOT ultra-competitive?

Similar threads have been started before for lesser known specialities, and usually people bring up things like optho, uro, or rad onc. However these are fields that are so competitive that a 3rd year like myself doesn’t have enough time left to develop a descent app and match.

So...under-the-radar fields that are not super competitive?
 
nephrology? I think
ID

I know rheum and ID has gotten more competitive than in the past, but I don't know how much more so, and certainly not nearly approaching the really competitive IM subspecialties like Pulm/CC etc
 
There are tons of niche neurology fellowships that are pretty off-the-beaten-path. From what I can tell, neurology and subsequent fellowships are not that competitive at all.
 
PM&R?
Aerospace medicine?

Idk why you need it to be both under the radar and non competitive. You wanna match, but also don't wanna be too mainstream?

I want it to be under the radar in that I’m curious about specialties I haven’t seen/considered before.

Virtually every med student has had some idea/concept of what medicine, surg, psych, peds etc do. I’m just more curious about what’s out there than anything else
 
I want it to be under the radar in that I’m curious about specialties I haven’t seen/considered before.

Virtually every med student has had some idea/concept of what medicine, surg, psych, peds etc do. I’m just more curious about what’s out there than anything else
I see what you mean and I think it's an interesting question. Looking into some more niche practice settings and styles open to primary care is probably a good start.
 
it is not really too late to go into a competitive speciality if you think you can put together a solid app... a few of my derm co-residents did not decide on derm until MS3.... to answer your question though: forensic psych, endovascular neurology, spinal cord injury (PMR route), sports medicine (non ortho route), pain medicine (can go anesthesia or PMR), toxicology, neonatal medicine, infectious disease, wilderness medicine
 
Rad onc has vultures circling it. It will be pathology level competitive in a few short years unless things change dramatically.
 
It helps to know what you like. Have you done enough rotations to know if you like inpatient, outpatient, procedures, kids, really sick or relatively healthy population?
 
Any of the more acute neurology fellowships: stroke, neurocritical care, interventional neurology (not as widespread)
Not for me, but some people might like the less acute neurology fellowships: movement disorders, epilepsy, headache
Weird PM&R subspecialties: TBI, spinal cord injury
OBGYN: gyn onc if you want specialty surgery, urogyn (basically female urology), MFM, reproductive endocrinology (these fellowships are pretty competitive, but the residency is not particularly competitive)
Anesthesiology: any subspecialty (neuro, cards, peds), critical care, pain
Emergency Medicine: diving medicine, toxicology, disaster preparedness (basically an MPH), wilderness medicine
Peds: adolescent medicine, NICU
 
Hi Guys, quick question. What are some interesting lesser known specialities that are NOT ultra-competitive?

Similar threads have been started before for lesser known specialities, and usually people bring up things like optho, uro, or rad onc. However these are fields that are so competitive that a 3rd year like myself doesn’t have enough time left to develop a descent app and match.

So...under-the-radar fields that are not super competitive?

Pathology
 
There are sub-fields of sub- fields that the end result isn't super competitive but the path to get there is - like Transplant Immunology but you have to get into an Allergy Fellowship first.

Emergency Medical Services is a fellowship out of EM (though technically anyone can do the fellowship) and people end up being medical directors of ambulance services
Toxicology is out of EM or Peds, can be the medical director of poison control

Any fellowship coming out of peds except for cardiology is not competitive compared to the adult counterparts, though NICU/PICU/Peds EM frequently have people go unmatched, everything else though is readily available with some fields like Endo, Rheum, Nephro, and ID having even top ranked programs go unfilled. The peds super fellowships such as any advanced cardiology position (imaging, EP, Cardiac Critical Care, Transplant/Heart Failure) or Neurocritical care (after a PICU or Peds Neuro fellowship) are small in number but not competitive.

The best reference is the AAMC Careers in Medicine website - has a list of 120+ specialties
 
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How is it too late to go for a competitive specialty?

It's what I'm doing now. I know a good number of people in past classes who did the same.

For most people there's no way to put together a competitive app in the 15 months before ERAS goes out assuming you decide on a competitive specialty on day 1 of 3rd year

Compare this to most applicants who have been attending conferences and publishing papers starting at September of MS1. (~40 months total)

Can it happen? Absolutely, for people who are super motivated and everything lines up. But for 80% of people the stress of 3rd year isn't conducive for pumping out 15-18 research items (which is only average for fields like plastics and derm). Not to mention, I hope you did well enough on Step 1, and got AOA, and networked with your home department, and got shadowing experience, and have faculty mentors. It's just a lot to do in a year.

This is another reason why research years are super popular for applicants in competitive specialties as it just gives more time and opportunity to strengthen your app.

tldr; people can match competitive specialties starting third year, but you are severely handicapped compared to the majority of your peers who have been CV building since day 1.
 
That's being a little dramatic. Most people start doing some research in preclinicals. The average count for competive specialties is 8 research things. My one research project from MS1 summer lead to 4 research things for ERAS. I'm helping with 3 projects now, which will all at the very least produce an abstract. Already at 8 there. And 8 is average, so many people will have less

In 3rd yr, you can give up your weekends to do research. Step 1 is normally done by 3rd yr, and hopefully youbtried your best no matter what you thought you wanted to do. Networking with faculty is easy to do- set up an appointment with them or do a rotation in the field (which you should be doing anyway to confirm you actually like the field)

You're clearly missing the massive disadvantage that late deciders have when it comes to matching competitive specialties.

The average is most certainly not 8 research things.

Neurosurgery- 18 research items for matched
Rad Onc- 16
Derm- 15
Plastics - 14
Ortho - 12
ENT - 10

Also PDs in these fields specifically want relevant research, not some BS "summer research" project in some random other field with a bunch of similar posters with no applicability, like 90% of students have. I think I've only ever met one person who actually had a meaningful project, and the results won't even be published if at all for another 3-4 years. Not saying there aren't good summer research projects, but I have yet to meet anyone who actually had meaningful or impressive summer research. For most people it's just a way to get easy elective credit from the school.

Also many 3rd year rotations requires at least 1 weekend day and you need to study for the shelf, so weekends aren't full of free time for tons of research. Don't forget it takes months to get papers through the submission process.

Most importantly, deciding on a competitive specialty late just looks worse than all your peers who were on top of things since day 1. How in the world did you magically decide to be a plastic surgeon the day you got your Step 1 score, but you had no interest before? If you really loved plastic surgery, why weren't you involved beforehand? It just doesn't look as good. PDs aren't dumb and they can tell the difference between true dedication to a field and people who get a 250+ on step 1 and decide on a competitive specialty just because it's the cool thing to do.

Just to clarify, before you miss my point entirely: I'm not saying that people can't match who decide on competitive specialties at the beginning of third year. What I am saying is that these people will be at a disadvantage, and will have to work much harder to even be equivalent to the students who built their CV for a competitive specialty from day one.

Why do you think ~50% of derm applicants are taking research years? It's likely because many decided on the field late and need that extra time to get their application up to par. (Not the only reason for research years, but definitely a big factor) The vast majority of people applying to the competitive specialties either have been application building for 3 years or take research years. When you get to third year, you'll see just how crazy it is and why so few people have the time and resources to build a good application. You'll never have more free time than MS1 and the first half of MS2, so be sure to use it wisely.

tldr; deciding on competitive specialties during 3rd year is a disadvantage, but you can match if you work really hard. It's not impossible, just more difficult.
 
It does not look worse to decide on a competitive specialty late. It makes it look like you actually thought about what you wanted rather than blindly gun for one field. It's take maturity to sit down and think about your goals

We are just starting on the manuscript for my MS1 summer research project in addition to all the posters it got. They don't expect field changing research. They just wanna see that you are interested, understand the research process, and can commit to working on something long term.

Nowadays everyone has research, so it's hard to even tell if that research is neccessary to match or if the numbers are so high because people are worried and overcompensating. Who is to say that the person with 15 research things wouldn't match with 10? Someone from my low tier school matched to UPenn in a competitive specialty with zero research, another girl match to Columbia and she only started research 3rd yr, etc.

I am a 3rd year. I did research during Step dedicated and have not stopped since. I honored primary care, honored medicine with 98th percentile on the shelf, and honored the rotation in my field of interest. Weekends I do research. It's hard work, but if you are too pessimistic about trying then of course you'll never get it done. I would not discourage classmates from pursuing competitive fields starting in 3rd year

Please tell me more about how someone with no research matched at a top 5-10 program in a competitive specialty without research, especially coming from a low tier school. That just isn't possible or there are other factors at play... I think you're either making that up entirely, misinformed, or leaving out some important key details.

I'm not going to argue with you further. You've clearly made up your mind and have personal anecdotes to support yourself. Congrats to you on deciding late and pulling together an application with so little time. Best of luck to you in your endeavors and I hope with all the work you put in 3rd year you match whatever competitive specialty you are applying for. My post isn't an attack on you, rather I'm trying to provide insight of the hurdles that comes with picking a competitive specialty late. It's foolish to think that anyone can just waltz into 3rd year with a 250+ and come out ready to be a neuro/plastic/derm applicant. It takes serious dedication, time, and effort, hence why there are ~3500 MDs with 250+ yet only 150 plastics spots, 200 neurosurgery, etc. There's no easy way to match these specialties, it just takes a lot of hard work throughout medical school.

I've spoken with far too many academic faculty and seen far too many applicants who scramble to pick up research third year not match to buy into the notion that you can just publish a couple case reports and posters in third year and magically be competitive for anything.
 
Of course it takes hard work throughout med school. You can't consider a competitive field without doing well in preclinicals. And I assure you that I am not misinformed because we have small match panels discussions with the people who matched. I think if OP really wants a competitive field, he should not rule it out if he is willing to work hard

Best of luck to you.
Agree with the bolded completely. Never my intention to say it was impossible, just that it's more difficult.
 
Emergency Medical Services is a fellowship out of EM (though technically anyone can do the fellowship) and people end up being medical directors of ambulance services
Toxicology is out of EM or Peds, can be the medical director of poison control

You can also go to police academy and become a SWAT doc
 
@The Knife & Gun Club Are there certain things you're wanting out of a specialty? It might be helpful to know what you want in terms of work, lifestyle, etc. to help narrow down a specialty for you.

Also in terms of lesser known specialties, there's the rarely mentioned Occupational Medicine. It's not usually recommended though as the pay is relatively low and apparently other specialties can do the same work while having the flexibility to do other regular practice.

AOEC - OEM Training and Education
 
Wow thanks for all the replies everyone! Really appreciate all the input.

I guess things I value are having patients that really “get better” aka things that are somewhat discrete and treatable. I’ve been IM for the last 6 weeks and have actually like treating the HIV/IVDU cohort because they’re somewhat young, usually have discrete diseases, and get better (even if they end up back again when they’re non-compliant). The CHF/CKD/COPD population drives me nuts though. I can’t stand endlessly trying to tweak their meds to “optimize” someone with no specific goal of care who will never have a meaningful recovery. I also like things that are a little more high acuity.

Right now I’m leaning towards EM, but I just get this feeling that there’s something else out there that I’m missing.

For context money isn’t a huge issue (no loans), hours I’m ok with being high just not crazy (like 60/week as an attending), and I’m decently competitive applicant for anything outside the surgical subs (240 step 1, 2nd quartile, 2 pubs from M1 ortho research).
 
Wow thanks for all the replies everyone! Really appreciate all the input.

I guess things I value are having patients that really “get better” aka things that are somewhat discrete and treatable. I’ve been IM for the last 6 weeks and have actually like treating the HIV/IVDU cohort because they’re somewhat young, usually have discrete diseases, and get better (even if they end up back again when they’re non-compliant). The CHF/CKD/COPD population drives me nuts though. I can’t stand endlessly trying to tweak their meds to “optimize” someone with no specific goal of care who will never have a meaningful recovery. I also like things that are a little more high acuity.

Right now I’m leaning towards EM, but I just get this feeling that there’s something else out there that I’m missing.

For context money isn’t a huge issue (no loans), hours I’m ok with being high just not crazy (like 60/week as an attending), and I’m decently competitive applicant for anything outside the surgical subs (240 step 1, 2nd quartile, 2 pubs from M1 ortho research).

EM sounds like your best bet in terms of of acuity. You could always specialize out of IM, but what of those fellowships is going to give you the same level of acuity (plus it's not always guaranteed you'd get that fellowship).

I'm assuming you don't want to be a surgeon, right?
 
EM sounds like your best bet in terms of of acuity. You could always specialize out of IM, but what of those fellowships is going to give you the same level of acuity (plus it's not always guaranteed you'd get that fellowship).

I'm assuming you don't want to be a surgeon, right?

Idk I’ve yet to do my surgery rotation. But I’m decently certain the physical demands of residency would just be too much.

I can function OK on 6 hours a night, but the idea of having to function on 4 hours of sleep a night with 0 days off for +7 years doesn’t seem realistic.
 
Wow thanks for all the replies everyone! Really appreciate all the input.

I guess things I value are having patients that really “get better” aka things that are somewhat discrete and treatable. I’ve been IM for the last 6 weeks and have actually like treating the HIV/IVDU cohort because they’re somewhat young, usually have discrete diseases, and get better (even if they end up back again when they’re non-compliant). The CHF/CKD/COPD population drives me nuts though. I can’t stand endlessly trying to tweak their meds to “optimize” someone with no specific goal of care who will never have a meaningful recovery. I also like things that are a little more high acuity.

Right now I’m leaning towards EM, but I just get this feeling that there’s something else out there that I’m missing.

For context money isn’t a huge issue (no loans), hours I’m ok with being high just not crazy (like 60/week as an attending), and I’m decently competitive applicant for anything outside the surgical subs (240 step 1, 2nd quartile, 2 pubs from M1 ortho research).
Sounds like neonatology might work. Lots of success stories from super premature babies. In fact lots of peds subspecialties are like that. Curing kids of cancer or heart defects is pretty far on the "get better" spectrum. Also not usually lifestyle diseases like adult cards gets.

A&I isn't so much cure as get diseases under good control, which is pretty "get better" to me.

Ophthalmology can be really good about this, especially if you do lots of cataract work. Technically surgery but my understanding is the residency isn't too bad.
 
Idk I’ve yet to do my surgery rotation. But I’m decently certain the physical demands of residency would just be too much.

I can function OK on 6 hours a night, but the idea of having to function on 4 hours of sleep a night with 0 days off for +7 years doesn’t seem realistic.

A lot of people choose surgery because they like the immediate results of their work. Obviously we've both read how challenging the residency and lifestyle is though. EM is probably a better fit, but you could rule surgery out after you rotate in it.
 
Wow thanks for all the replies everyone! Really appreciate all the input.

I guess things I value are having patients that really “get better” aka things that are somewhat discrete and treatable. I’ve been IM for the last 6 weeks and have actually like treating the HIV/IVDU cohort because they’re somewhat young, usually have discrete diseases, and get better (even if they end up back again when they’re non-compliant). The CHF/CKD/COPD population drives me nuts though. I can’t stand endlessly trying to tweak their meds to “optimize” someone with no specific goal of care who will never have a meaningful recovery. I also like things that are a little more high acuity.

Right now I’m leaning towards EM, but I just get this feeling that there’s something else out there that I’m missing.

For context money isn’t a huge issue (no loans), hours I’m ok with being high just not crazy (like 60/week as an attending), and I’m decently competitive applicant for anything outside the surgical subs (240 step 1, 2nd quartile, 2 pubs from M1 ortho research).
Do critical care if acuity is your thing. With an IM background, you could work at a HIV clinic on a few of your your days off if you have a passion for it. I’ve seen people do an IM + ID/CC pathway instead of the normal pulm/CC one. That could be more your style.
 
Sounds like neonatology might work. Lots of success stories from super premature babies. In fact lots of peds subspecialties are like that. Curing kids of cancer or heart defects is pretty far on the "get better" spectrum. Also not usually lifestyle diseases like adult cards gets.

A&I isn't so much cure as get diseases under good control, which is pretty "get better" to me.

Ophthalmology can be really good about this, especially if you do lots of cataract work. Technically surgery but my understanding is the residency isn't too bad.

Do critical care if acuity is your thing. With an IM background, you could work at a HIV clinic on a few of your your days off if you have a passion for it. I’ve seen people do an IM + ID/CC pathway instead of the normal pulm/CC one. That could be more your style.

Thanks so much for the replies - really appreciate everyone who’s taken the time to answer this thread.

Yea crit care, especially pediatric/neonatal crit care sound really interesting and certainly fit the bill of things I haven’t considered before. It’s too bad you need a peds residency to do peds CC, because I’m not sure if I could love the bread & butter of peds.

I could also have the option to jump over to adult crit care from EM, which means I don’t have to close that door right away.
 
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