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[MilkmanAl]

No worries. It'll never pass, even with a hugely Democratic congress.

 

[bkpa2med]

Hope so. Just thought that was a pretty funny cartoon lol.

 

[scotties123]

picture also works if u change Socialized Medicine to Abortions For All.

 

[shahalam]

No worries. It'll never pass, even with a hugely Democratic congress.

How do you figure? "free healthcare" is so appealing to the brainwashed that it makes me sick

 

[mmmcdowe]

It won't pass because the lobbyists won't let it pass, and because congressmen know there isn't a way to make it work in such a capitalistic country like ours without crunching down on some other tough topics such as immigration. We can't have free health care and open immigration, just like we can't have endless social security with open immigration. Eventually, there just aren't enough people to pay for it.

 

[amidoinitrite]

It won't pass because the lobbyists won't let it pass, and because congressmen know there isn't a way to make it work in such a capitalistic country like ours without crunching down on some other tough topics such as immigration. We can't have free health care and open immigration, just like we can't have endless social security with open immigration. Eventually, there just aren't enough people to pay for it.

Man i really hope so. His health care plan is ridiculous.

 

[WellWornLad]

Yeah, cause when people without insurance go to the emergency room, the magical ER wizard pays for everything.

Now everyone stick their fingers in their ears and repeat after me:

If ignore the problem, maybe it will go away!
If ignore the problem, maybe it will go away!
If ignore the problem, maybe it will go away!

 

[igottaquestion]

Man i really hope so. His health care plan is ridiculous.

i absolutely agree. any health care system which *pays* third-party, *for-profit* corporations to decide access to particular medical services provided by *other people*, is financially wasteful and results in distributive inequities. our system of inflating the costs of medical services and distributing them based on ability-to-pay rather than medical necessity is extremely ridiculous. obama's plan is only a band-aid for this situation, which is what is most politically feasible at this time but still half-assed.

we don't need these for-profit, third-party-payer corporations. who besides lobbyists really thinks that we need to pay these ceos, actuaries, and medical billers in order to provide good medical care? countries with single-payer systems spend substantially less of a percentage of their gdp on medical services. is it good medical care to rely on profit-oriented non-doctors to deny reimbursement claims and dictate how doctors can practice medicine, all in the interests of cutting costs rather than doing what's best for the health of the patient?

end this ridiculous situation. support a single-payer system!!!!

http://www.pnhp.org/

 

[Geri_Gal]

This represents an opportunity for change.

If there is one thing we can agree on, it is this:

Our health care system is broken.

 

[Miami_med]

This represents an opportunity for change.

If there is one thing we can agree on, it is this:

Our health care system is broken.

One might argue that taking a bat to the engine isn't the best way to fix a car with a skipping transmission. Change for the sake of change isn't automatically good. Every moment is an opportunity to change. The difference is that we're now looking at a guy who'se never run anything larger than a political campaign as the solution to something that we should be working to fix ourselves.

 

[Geri_Gal]

Every moment is an opportunity to change. The difference is that we're now looking at a guy who'se never run anything larger than a political campaign as the solution to something that we should be working to fix ourselves.

Exactly. As I said before, the genius of the Obama campaign was in its ability to motivate people to act: whether it was to vote for the first time, donate to a political campaign, etc.

We should work to fix our healthcare system. The American people are slowly awakening from years of civic passivity. I have hope that Americans have been empowered by this election and that they will not expect their government to solve problems for them, but that they will provide the force to guide their government. All significant U.S. social movements have been initiated by this (e.g. the women's movement, civil rights, etc.).

 

[psy]

I thought it was his aids who determine the president's decisions. If you notice the news lately, Obama is taking on many of President's Clinton's aids and advisers. Just look back at President Bush. Did you really think he could run a company let alone a country without someone telling him what to do?

 

[nebrfan]

I thought it was his aids who determine the president's decisions. If you notice the news lately, Obama is taking on many of President's Clinton's aids and advisers. Just look back at President Bush. Did you really think he could run a company let alone a country without someone telling him what to do?

Oh, good.

In an effort to create more family doctors, President Clinton's health plan would empower the Federal Government to decide how many doctors should be trained each year as family practitioners, radiologists, surgeons, neurologists and other specialists....It would establish Federal regulation in a field now governed by the choices of medical students and teaching hospitals.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE3D6103BF936A2575AC0A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

I, for one, welcome my new Federal Overlords.

Why pay primary care physicians more when you can simply FORCE them to serve. And if they don't? Grab a nurse....I think that they can still follow the flow-sheet of cookbook, gub'ment medicine.

 

[docB]

Grab a nurse.

You have to be careful saying that in a post where you also referenced the Clinton administration. It means something different to them.

I, for one, welcome my new Federal Overlords.

Hopefully they'll be a humane as possible.

 

[LeemerDO]

In all this craze about Obama going to be President, has anyone ever bothered to ask what his "change" is going to be and how it will affect us?

All I've heard is "Change" and not much else. I typically don't vote for people who leave their promises totally open ended. For all we know, a majority of voters just voted a change for the worst.

Forgive if I sound pessimistic. I view myself more of a skeptic and wanting to be informed of the people who are running before supporting them.

Had everyone done that with this election, neither of those two knuckleheads, let alone, all members of congress, the senate, and state governorships in contention would be on the ticket to be elected or re-elected.

Change...yeah...right.👎

 

[psy]

I would like to wait at least 6 months before I pass judgment on a new president's policy. Remember that Obama is still President Elect and not the actual president yet. Give the guy some time before the bashing/flaming begins.

 

[docB]

I would like to wait at least 6 months before I pass judgment on a new president's policy. Remember that Obama is still President Elect and not the actual president yet. Give the guy some time before the bashing/flaming begins.

We'll make sure he gets the same respect and deference the left gave GW.

 

[Dirt]

We'll make sure he gets the same respect and deference the left gave GW.

Nobody gave GW $hit until he deserved it.

 

[NonTradMed]

We'll make sure he gets the same respect and deference the left gave GW.

I know plenty of people on the Right currently giving GW little respect or deference these days. GW is just not popular....with about 75% of the population right now.

 

[psy]

I know plenty of people on the Right currently giving GW little respect or deference these days. GW is just not popular....with about 75% of the population right now.

And about 25% of the population doesn't know who the president is.

 

[Dr Feel Good]

Everyone keeps goig back and forth, pointing fingers. Yes, our healthcare system is heavily flawed. Yes Obama has some cockemenie idea for fixing the problem that in all likelihood won't be the answer everyone is looking for. Yes Mccain wasn't going to raise our taxes, we would go across borders to antoehr state to get our healthcare, pay however much in gas to get to their physicians that they have covered under their provider plan, etc. etc.

Nobody has the answer, you want our healthcare system to be like england, where you pay out the nose in taxes to give access to everyone, whether or not they need it. or you want it to be more like japan's, where the md's control everything and can treat how they see fit (hyperbole, but the capability is still there). You can't look at the rest of the world for the answer, they don't have it. This country is based on freedom of choice. We're starting to lose that with our healthcare system, either by insurance telling us who to see or not be able to afford the procedures we need.

We have all these institutions that are doing research, why can't we do what nasa is doing, provide some sort of scholarship, grant, employment based oppurtunities to these colleges to utilize ourmedical, allied health, public health, philosphy, etc. etc. students to design, plan, test, and present ideas on how a capitilistic society can develop a first party payer system that can provide the ideal blend of choice, preventon, and life saving access that the American people can use to improve. Capital hill has obviously no ideas on how to approach this, lets let some people a bit smarter take a look at it.

Please comment, tear me a new one, whichever you like. And don't judge my spelling/grammer. I need a new computer. 🙂

 

[docB]

Nobody gave GW $hit until he deserved it.

How do you figure that? It started out with that tired old "He stole the election." crap and the media machine just continued on from there.

I know plenty of people on the Right currently giving GW little respect or deference these days. GW is just not popular....with about 75% of the population right now.

True. But that has nothing to do with the fact that the left never said anything remotely like the current "We all have to respect the will of the electorate and unite behind the new guy." hipocracy flowing out of the left these days.

This guy campaigned on a platform of class envy, portraying me as the problem in this country and promising to redistribute my earnings. We'll be just as staunch in our opposition as the liberals were although we don't own three of the four major networks and 90% of the newspapers.

 

[psy]

For those Bush supporters out there: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-jim-cooper/audit-the-books_b_143748.html

From the article, it seems the Bush administration borrowed more than all the presidents in the history of the USA combined. This greatly affect our credit situation and any health care policies in the future (no money to finance it). The actual amount of borrowing is in the 50+ trillions and not the little 11 trillion the deficit clock is showing. That means we will have a very hard time paying it back. The audit report comes out in december. Let see how big of a hole we are in. If you still don't believe that we are in the hole already read here (this is only the beginning): http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/us/17fiscal.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
State that lacks money will have to borrow from the federal government to cover their expenses. The feds in turn borrow from social security, etc.. to cover it.

 

[docB]

For those Bush supporters out there: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-jim-cooper/audit-the-books_b_143748.html

From the article, it seems the Bush administration borrowed more than all the presidents in the history of the USA combined. This greatly affect our credit situation and any health care policies in the future (no money to finance it). The actual amount of borrowing is in the 50+ trillions and not the little 11 trillion the deficit clock is showing. That means we will have a very hard time paying it back. The audit report comes out in december. Let see how big of a hole we are in. If you still don't believe that we are in the hole already read here (this is only the beginning): http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/us/17fiscal.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
State that lacks money will have to borrow from the federal government to cover their expenses. The feds in turn borrow from social security, etc.. to cover it.

The Huffington Post? Seriously? With all the left wing media such as the LAT, NYT, CBS, NBC and so on I don't really care to read from left wing blogs. I might as well go check out the Daily Kos.

I don't think that pointing out problems with the Bush administration has anything to do with my assertion that the left, the Dems and the media never did any uniting behind the president elect 8 years ago. They did grudgingly back off for a few months after 911 but that just proves that ratings trump principles.

 

[Dirt]

How do you figure that? It started out with that tired old "He stole the election." crap and the media machine just continued on from there.

True. But that has nothing to do with the fact that the left never said anything remotely like the current "We all have to respect the will of the electorate and unite behind the new guy." hipocracy flowing out of the left these days.

This guy campaigned on a platform of class envy, portraying me as the problem in this country and promising to redistribute my earnings. We'll be just as staunch in our opposition as the liberals were although we don't own three of the four major networks and 90% of the newspapers.

Please. Bush didn't get $hit until he invaded Iraq, and he did steal the election. Republicans had far far less respect for the other side than Democrats did, save the last 5 years. Does Monica Lewinsky ring a bell? If there is any hipocracy it's the 'pubs who claimed that we should "respect Bush" while he is our president because to do otherwise is "un-american". Those same people are calling for Obama's head before he is sworn in.

Campaigns have the goal of winning elections. Policies are different. Why don't you wait and see what happens? My guess is that healthcare is going to take a backseat for a while while this economy mess gets sorted out. I would bet that there won't be any major legislation with healthcare until near the end of his first term.

 

[docB]

Please. Bush didn't get $hit until he invaded Iraq, and he did steal the election. Republicans had far far less respect for the other side than Democrats did, save the last 5 years. Does Monica Lewinsky ring a bell? If there is any hipocracy it's the 'pubs who claimed that we should "respect Bush" while he is our president because to do otherwise is "un-american". Those same people are calling for Obama's head before he is sworn in.

Campaigns have the goal of winning elections. Policies are different. Why don't you wait and see what happens? My guess is that healthcare is going to take a backseat for a while while this economy mess gets sorted out. I would bet that there won't be any major legislation with healthcare until near the end of his first term.

I'm not sure I understand how a president getting criticized for a sexual scandal equates to GW being declared the stupidest man ever to hold the office but we'll never agree on this.

The reason I won't wait and see what happens is that any portion of his agenda that gets through will be bad. I disagree with pretty much everything he has advocated on a philosophical level. His healthcare policies aside if he gets his way with his economic plan it means I will personally have to pay for it.

 

[Dirt]

I'm not sure I understand how a president getting criticized for a sexual scandal equates to GW being declared the stupidest man ever to hold the office but we'll never agree on this.

The reason I won't wait and see what happens is that any portion of his agenda that gets through will be bad. I disagree with pretty much everything he has advocated on a philosophical level. His healthcare policies aside if he gets his way with his economic plan it means I will personally have to pay for it.

You could always secede and call your land "Petoria"

 

[docB]

You could always secede and call your land "Petoria"

Nah. My house wasn't left off the Quahog city map.

 

[Miami_med]

Nah. My house wasn't left off the Quahog city map.

"can't touch me!"