Let's break it dizzownnn! DAT done 6/11/2012

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Scores:

PA: 21
QR: 23 👍
RC: 23 👍
BIO: 26 😍
GC: 25 😀
OC: 22 😀
TS: 24 😎
AA: 24 😎


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I cannot believe it's over, I am SOO glad to be done. It has been a humbling process. First and foremost, I want to thank the SDN community for the invaluable resource that it has been, and its HUGE role in my success. I finished my DAT a few hours ago, and am still in disbelief of my scores. My jaw literally dropped when I saw them on the screen, and it was only when the proctor came over and asked me if I was done that I realized, wow it's over. Here is my breakdown. I will first talk about study materials, and then go into practice tests. During my studies I read countless breakdowns from successful SDNers, and they helped me tremendously, so I am hoping mine helps someone somewhere along the way.

Little bit about me: I am a recent graduate, that made the switch from medicine to dentistry about 4/5 months ago after doing a little bit of experimental shadowing. After graduation, I scheduled my DAT, giving me one month of study time. I knew this was going to be a tight frame, but I wanted to be able to apply relatively early in the cycle. My cumulative gpa is 3.560, and I'm not sure what my science is, but its probably really close. I have shadowed an oral surgeon and a general dentist (~20 hours total, I don't think anyone really would need more than that to know whether it was right for them, to be honest)

Biology: Cliffs, Destroyer, Alan's Notes

This was unbelievable. I have no idea how I scored so high. I knew the first 5 questions right away, and I think that gave me confidence that I desperately needed. Everyone says this section is random: they are correct. The breadth of this section is huge, however the good thing about that is that there isn't too much depth. Get exposed to as much as you can, and understand MAJOR CONCEPTS. I used Cliffs AP Bio, Destroyer, and Alan's notes for this section. I read over Cliffs once, taking pretty thorough notes, and doing the end of chapter questions. Do these questions. Also do the practice AP tests in the back, which I did not get to do because of time constraints. After going through it once, I read about a chapter or two of NOTES that I had made while going through it, hoping that it would sink if I went over it in pieces. I did this inconsistently, and it carried almost all the way to exam day. I also read over Alan's notes once the week before the test. It was only after doing all of this that I attempted destroyer bio. GREAT RESOURCE. People say that it is too specific, but I think its value lies in the explanations in the back. I got through about 350 of the 450 questions within the last two days before my exam. I would go over it in 25 question blocks, and afterward I would READ THE EXPLANATIONS in the back. Often times, it provided a concise description of a relevant concept. There is also a little bit of repetition, which I think is good for hammering home important principles. My advice for this section would be to go through cliffs and make your own detailed notes so that you can review them, because I feel the info will stick better that way. Expose yourself to as many problems and as much material as possible without getting too involved in any of them. General concepts. Destroyer, cliffs, and Alan's notes did it for me. I was thinking about posting my own notes, but there are some mistakes in there so I might revise them and post later. IMO, they are the perfect middle ground in terms of detail at ~45 pages.

GC/OC: Kaplan MCAT review books, Destroyer

So, this was sort of an nontraditional means of studying. A buddy of mine had recently taken the MCAT, and offered to let me borrow his review books from the Kaplan course he took. Since he said he did well on his exam because of Kaplan, and because I am totally broke, I decided why not. I read through both the OC and GC books, taking good notes. This took me about 2 weeks to do, leaving me with about 2 weeks for review/practice problems. DESTROYER COVERS EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW! Yes, it is harder than the real thing. However, as I said with bio, don't worry about getting it all right. Shyt, don't even worry about getting half of it right. I was getting ~45% correct the first time. The second time I was at ~75/80%. Go through it, and read every explanation in the back, and take notes of what you don't know. I went through destroyer GC and OC twice, taking notes both times. Yes, the notes were nearly identical, but the process of getting the same things wrong, reading the explanations each time, and then writing my own version of that explanation each time helped it stick. The week before the test, I went over these notes (both from the review book, and the two copies from my mistakes in destroyer). This is what I did because I had free review books to use. Everyone on SDN praises Chad for his videos, and since SDN knows best, I suggest you use them if you are reading this during your studies. If I knew about them before I started studying/if I didn't have my friend's books, I would have definitely used Chad.

I'll note that GC was the only section of the DAT sciences that I was confident about. Again, THE ONLY. I felt comfortable with the concepts and the math because it going over it again brought a lot back from freshmen GC. OC I struggled with, and spent the most time going over. As you can see, it was my lowest science score, but I am very happy with it. However, I felt that the real DAT was really not all that bad. Know the concepts behind why reactions behave the way they do instead every little detailed mechanism. A lot of the stuff on my exam seemed pretty basic. Okay, so Destroyer rocks. Do it. Do it again. Take notes each time. Oh, and the roadmaps really are as dope as everyone says.

RC: Achiever, Topscore

I am a tutor at my University Writing Center. I read a lot of papers, and that has helped me learn to critically read. I didn't really study too much for this section because I was satisfied with my scores from practice exams, and I didn't have the luxury of time to practice any more. I know it's an important section for dental schools, but I focused more on the sciences. If you really struggle, I've read that CDR is pretty good. A quick search will lead you well. Don't really have much more insight to offer other than that.

QR: Achiever, Topscore, MATH Destroyer

Same deal with this section. I am decent at math. I had bought the MATH Destroyer, but I only went through 4 of the 13 tests. The first one I went over untimed. Read the explanations for the ones I got wrong. Learned from it and then randomly took the next 3 at various points in my studying. My scores are listed below, but as I said for RC, I focused mostly on the sciences due to time constraints. However, MATH Destroyer is very good. If you need to improve your QR, I would go through the first couple of tests untimed for learning purposes, and the finish the rest off timed and simulating test conditions. I'm sure that MATH Destroyer will be able to get you 20+ if you go through the 13 practice exams and really learn the explanations.

PAT: Crack DAT PAT, Topscore, Achiever

CDP is very good. I got the 10 test version and was able to get through 8 of them. My scores are below. On the overall, CDP is very accurate. At least for me it was. I'll briefly get into the specifics for each section because I know that helped me when I was studying. Keyhole in the real DAT places a lot more emphasis on proportions than just shape like CDP; the real DAT was slightly harder than CDP because two of the choices were always very similar. People say you can use line counting on CDP TFE. Honestly, I don't even know what that is. But for me, CDP was pretty accurate for this section, with the real DAT being only slightly harder. For me, holepunching on CDP was way too easy. The real DAT has more complex folds, and is probably the biggest discrepancy in terms of difficulty, with the DAT being moderately harder. Cubes, there isn't much to say. Everything is the same, except there are no figures with an insane amount of cubes on the real DAT like there are on CDP. Pattern folding was not as bad for me as it seems to have been for others. It was only slightly harder than CDP. Overall, the DAT was slightly harder than CDP but I think CDP is a good indicator of how you will actually do +/- 1 point.

Practice Exams: Achiever and Topscore

Achiever -- Bio/GC/OC/RC/QR/PAT/TS/AA

#1 -- 15/16/17/17/19/15/16/17
#2 -- 15/16/17/18/n.a./18/16/17 (didn't do QR, gave myself 19 to get AA)
#3 -- 15/18/15/17/20/17/16/17
#4 -- 16/15/16/19/16/17/16/16
#5 -- 14/15/14/18/15/18/15/15
#6 -- 17/19/15/22/15/18/17/18
#7 -- 17/17/17/20/15/18/17/17

Achiever is TOUGH. Some people say too tough. While I agree, it was one hell of a tool. By completely annihilating my confidence EVERY single time, I was driven to maximize my study time. Gives great exposure, and gets you prepared for ANYTHING. Don't worry about your scores. I know every thread says this, but I also know that I didn't believe it while I was studying. IT IS TRUE! Achiever is too hard. Not because the questions that are present themselves, but because all of the "easy" questions are absent. The concentration of solely difficult questions is what makes Achiever hard. Great tool to learn from, but not for those who cannot handle a complete beat down every test. Achiever tests do NOT get any easier any subsequent time you take them. The last one is just as toiling as the first. If you can handle it, I highly recommend it. Again, don't take the scores to heart, but REVIEW everything you get wrong. This usually takes up the whole day because I would take the test at 8am, finish, shower, eat, then spend the rest of the day going through all of my wrong answers. If you don't review after completion, it will be useless.

Topscore: Bio/GC/OC/TS

Test #1 -- 17/18/18/18
Test #2 -- 17/21/20/19
Test #3 -- 18/21/23/21

I only did the SNS on these tests. These were all done the week before my exam. GREAT practice. Much easier than Achiever, a better representation of how you will perform, but still slightly harder. I bought these after I finished Achiever the week before I was demoralized and wanted to see if I needed to reschedule. These scores were good in raising my confidence because many of the mistakes I made, I realized were stupid errors as I went over it. The last test was taken two days before my test. Same deal. It is very important to go over the wrong answers and understand the explanations after you take them. Therein lies the value. Take notes. Understand your mistakes.

CDP: 17,19,22,20, 23, 22, 21, 21 (as you can see, pretty similar to the real)
MATH Destroyer: 18, 21, 22, 22 (good practice, very similar to real exam)

Okay, this was extremely long, and if you're still reading this, I give you props. I really hope this helps even just one person. I know there is a lack of Achiever scores beyond test 3, so at least this will provide some measure of comparison and settle those delicate hearts that have been crushed by Achiever scores. Closing advice, don't gauge your performance based on practice scores. Doing poorly means nothing other than you now have a means of learning and understanding material. Look at my practice scores, and then my real scores. Repetition helped me a lot. Reading and writing things over and over for it to really stick. 2 sets of notes. 2 times over destroyer. 2 times over practice exams (once taking it, once going over). Man, it feels so good to be done, I have been dreaming of being able to write a breakdown like those successful DAT takers before me. If I can do it, you can do it. Study smart. Do what works for you. This is what worked for me, not a recipe for success. It is meant to be a reference. Last but not least, be confident during that last week, and the day of the exam. And after you click begin, bend that bad boy right over and get the scores you worked hard for. Confidence.

Special shout out to R4NB for answering my frantic, demoralized, Achiever beaten-down private messages. You rock, bro.

Good luck everyone! Deuces 😉
 
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Incredible scores Killah! You killed it, haha. Good luck with applying. I'm sure you won't have too many problems with those scores.
 

I have shadowed an oral surgeon and a general dentist (~20 hours total, I don't think anyone really would need more than that to know whether it was right for them, to be honest)



AWESOME scores! Great job!

And couldn't agree more here, but the only thing I'd say is that some/a lot of schools of shadowing hours requirements. Some it's 50 and others it's 100. 20 hours total doesn't seem like quite enough. Maybe try and squeeze in some super long shadowing days to up those hours and you should be golden!

Congrats on the score once again! The hard part's over..... well, then there's the waiting till Dec 1 which sucks too! haha
 
wow awesome scores.
congrats !!

may I ask how many hours u studied each day?
and how many days a week?
 
Wow!!! You are a Bio Beast. Great job on your test, and thank you for the breakdown and study tips. I think I can speak for all of us currently studying that we appreciate your help and boost of confidence. Good luck with interviews, not that you will need it.
 
Outstanding scores. Congratulations. Very good job.

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Please do this! A lot of us are looking for a strong set of Bio notes to use as a base to edit from, as Alan's are quite brief and mostly serve as an outline. If you do upload them, I will contribute with edits and supplementary information as well so hopefully an organized, clear set of notes can be given to others preparing for the DAT. If you need any help with the correction process either, please let me know - I would be glad to help.
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I was thinking about posting my own notes, but there are some mistakes in there so I might revise them and post later. IMO, they are the perfect middle ground in terms of detail at ~45 pages.

Yes please do this! It would be extremely helpful! I'll also help with editing and adding supplementary information.
 
Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

wow awesome scores.
congrats !!

may I ask how many hours u studied each day?
and how many days a week?

I studied for four weeks, every day. The first two weeks probably around 6-8 hours a day, and the last two weeks probably around 8-10 hours a day. (I have the attention span of a.. what's that over there?! .. haha so it wasn't like super hardcore locked in a room studying, I took a ton of breaks throughout) I wasn't working or doing anything else though, so I was able to get good rest every night, which I think is important if you're only giving yourself a month.

Please do this! A lot of us are looking for a strong set of Bio notes to use as a base to edit from, as Alan's are quite brief and mostly serve as an outline. If you do upload them, I will contribute with edits and supplementary information as well so hopefully an organized, clear set of notes can be given to others preparing for the DAT. If you need any help with the correction process either, please let me know - I would be glad to help.

Yep, I've gotten plenty of pm's asking about it, so I will definitely try to edit and post the notes asap. I will get in contact with you once I revise them and have a good base.

Also, I realized I forgot to talk about angles. They ARE just as close on the real exam as they are on CDP. I know some people have said they felt the real DAT was easier, but I disagree. I had some pretty tight angles, so I'd definitely recommend getting used to how close CDP angles are.
 
Do you mind sharing your study schedule and how long you prepared for and also how confident you were in each section prior to studying for DAT? I'm trying to start studying, but it's just so overwhelming because I feel like I barely know anything so I am learning instead of reviewing.

Thanks for the advice!
 
Do you mind sharing your study schedule and how long you prepared for and also how confident you were in each section prior to studying for DAT? I'm trying to start studying, but it's just so overwhelming because I feel like I barely know anything so I am learning instead of reviewing.

Thanks for the advice!
Thats how exactly how I feel too!

Please do share! 🙂
 
Do you mind sharing your study schedule and how long you prepared for and also how confident you were in each section prior to studying for DAT? I'm trying to start studying, but it's just so overwhelming because I feel like I barely know anything so I am learning instead of reviewing.

Thanks for the advice!

Hm, well let's see if I can organize it for you since I know that might help some people. I'll warn that I kinda just went with the flow during my studying. I didn't have a structured schedule, like "okay, today I've got to this and this and this". But here goes:

Weeks 1/2: went through the Kaplan OC/GC review books, as well as Cliffs AP Bio. Took solid notes. (only practice problems I did during these two weeks were those at the ends of chapters)

Week 3: Achiever practice test roughly every other day, going over mistakes afterwards, and taking notes. Got through destroyer GC/OC, reading the explanations in the back and taking notes on those I got wrong. Inconsistent review of my bio notes when I had the time.

Week 4: went HAM. finished up Achiever and Topscore practice exams. Went over my mistakes, and took notes. Did destroyer GC/OC once more (went by a lot quicker since it was the second time), read the explanations, and took notes on my mistakes as per usual. Did destroyer bio the last two days before my exam. Same deal with reading explanations and taking notes. Also, during this week I made sure to spend my last two hours of each day reviewing the notes I had written. And what I mean by "notes" is ALL the notes (i.e. from practice tests, from destroyer, from review books, from cliffs, etc). I made sure I went through everything a second time. Even if it was just glancing over.

*in terms of CDP and MATH destroyer, I kinda just did them when I felt like it.

I don't know if that helps anyone, but that's what I did. With regard to confidence about sections, I was only confident about RC and QR (which is why I didn't really spend too much time studying them). In terms of SNS, I was really only confident about GC. Believe it or not, I was LEAST confident about bio. And dw about feeling like you don't know anything. I was in the same boat. It's just one of those things, I think. That feeling of being completely incompetent is what drove me to study so much every day, so use it to your advantage, I'd say. It was strange because it took til two days before my exam where I stopped feeling TOTALLY clueless, and everything kinda just "clicked" into place. I hope that helps, and good luck on your exams.
 
What was your best memorizing technique? You just did problems or found mnemonics?

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What was your best memorizing technique? You just did problems or found mnemonics?

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looking over my cliffs notes a couple chapters at a time for 2 weeks inconsistently, and then the last two days just cram city with the bio. destroyer really helped hit a lot of things home, those explanations are great because they answer/explain more than just the question. I'm not huge with the mnemonics, but I discovered this gem during those last two days, and it helped me with things I was having trouble retaining.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=42149 👍
 
AMAZING>>>!!! 🙂)

Where did you take Bio notes? Did you write some notes on the Cliffs Bio book? I really want to see your notes soon too! 🙂

And, did you do well in your Orgo class? Did you only use Kaplan MCAT lesson book and do Destroyer problems??

THANKS!
 
AMAZING>>>!!! 🙂)

Where did you take Bio notes? Did you write some notes on the Cliffs Bio book? I really want to see your notes soon too! 🙂

And, did you do well in your Orgo class? Did you only use Kaplan MCAT lesson book and do Destroyer problems??

THANKS!

My bio notes were typed. Once all the errors (that are found) are taken out, I will feel comfortable posting them (should be soon). And I did terribly in both orgo 1 and 2, but that's because I never went to class/cared. I definitely knew more orgo for the dat than I did during the actual courses in college 😀

but yes, the review book and destroyer was definitely more than enough. Due to my weak background, I wasn't too confident of my orgo ability, but if you learn destroyer, you will be in good shape.
 
thanks. So, for RC, you recommend just reading literature papers? Would science journals work?
 
IMO RC is one of those things that is not going to jump a huge amount just by studying for a month or two. I think it's much more beneficial to focus on the sections that can definitely be improved (i.e. chems). However, I don't think aimless reading would really do too much for you since there won't be any questions to test whether you've understood what you've just read. If you're looking for improvement, I think practicing timed passages with questions afterward is the best way to go. Practice tests, crack dat reading, etc.

In terms of bio practice, there are a ton of resources out there that you can find with a simple search on this site. Like I said in the breakdown, destroyer bio is very good and cliffs end of chapter/AP practice exam questions are good. Additional resources could be more practice exams or dat qvault, which I've never used, but hear is good.

Good luck.
 
Did you memorize the road maps in destroyer? I memorized one but they are all so detailed with like a million rxns. It seems like overkill. But goddammit i want a good OC score and I had a similar experience in undergraduate OC. I'm just schitty at OC i guess. But ill do just about anything to rock the DAT.
 
Did you memorize the road maps in destroyer? I memorized one but they are all so detailed with like a million rxns. It seems like overkill. But goddammit i want a good OC score and I had a similar experience in undergraduate OC. I'm just schitty at OC i guess. But ill do just about anything to rock the DAT.

just keep looking over the roadmaps and most of it will stick because there is repetition. primarily, just make sure you go through the destroyer orgo problems twice and read the explanations in the back to understand why you got wrong what you did. It is overkill, but the concepts youll learn will carry you through test day because the real DAT orgo is much simpler
 
Thanks so much. And major props to your studying methods and perseverance. You have just given me a huge boost in confidence. I will heed all advice lol.
 
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Thanks so much. And major props to your studying methods and perseverance. You have just given me a hugh boost in confidence. I will heed all advice lol.

I was thinking the same. My exam is in a couple of weeks and I did most of what the OP did as well. Confidence booster for me as well 👍
 
I've been off of sdn for a while. Applications have been keeping me busy. But here are my bio notes for everyone that's interested. I really hope they help. Any feedback is appreciated.
 

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