Life of a physician vs. that of a Dentist

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Just a quickie, I promise!

How do you think the lives of say, a Dentist and a GP physician differ (salary, hours/free tine, social, etc.) This has been a long standing debate between my ?pre-dent? friend and I. Any ideas?
 
Dentists generally have comparable salaries to GPs, such as peds, IM, etc. The dental specialists are comparable to the middle-upper of the medical specialties. In short, the money isn't going to be much different.

However, this is not a 100% sure fire thing in dentistry. The thing with dentistry is that it's a crap shoot if you are going to do well or you are going to barely scrape by(some dentists go belly up). With medicine, you are assured to be financially well taken care of.

You don't have to have a residency after dental school; you can go right into practice.

Dentists have great schedules/work hours. Further, the vast majority are private dentists and have tremendous freedom. not to mention not having to take orders from some low IQ putz with an MBA.

Both have grueling graduate training.

Dentists get little respect and are almost as loathed universally as lawyers.

I guess that dentistry would be a better choice all around if you had a for sure practice to move into upon graduation, only having to deal with the aforementioned universal loathing.
 
>>Dentists get little respect and are almost as loathed >>universally as lawyers.


Now where I live. Dentists get plenty of respect. And who cares about respect anyways?? It's probably a better idea to do what makes you happy, not what others think to be respectable.
 
I think he didn't really meant as a legitimate profession, maybe that some just don't see dental care as a legitimate concern vs. that of a physician?
Shot in the dark here..
 
as a person who just had a root canal done on saturday i think all dentist should shoot themselves. just kiding, but damn is my mouth sore
 
Hmm, lets see. Doctoral level degree, upper 5% of all incomes in the community...sure, nobody will respect you. 🙄

Yes, dentistry is more of a crapshoot, and it doesn't have quite the prestige of being an MD or DO. Yes, dentists are doctors (by virtue of possessing a doctoral degree) , and yes they are physicians, as defined by the U.S. Code (anyone having obtained the MD, DO, DDS, or DMD degree and is licensed).

Dentists aren't really loathed. Neither are lawyers. People go to professionals when they really need help. That is why they are so highly paid and trained. People hate to pay taxes, but need to see the accountant anyway. People don't like court, but every day, lawyers bail out people who desperately need their help. People don't like to be sick either, but where would they be without doctors and dentists? Nobody likes visiting any of these groups, but realize that they need the help, no matter how much it may hurt or cost. Take solace in the fact that people need your help this badly, and it will make you feel a lot better about your work. This goes for many professions, not just dentistry.

I would like to see the person who jumped up and down and did cartwheels the last time they went to see the doctor, but flat out hates the dentist.
 
I would prefer the life of a porn star.
 
Originally posted by meanderson
It's probably a better idea to do what makes you happy, not what others think to be respectable.
the former is often influenced by the latter.
 
lawyer's aren't loathed? what parallel universe is he living in?
 
I don't buy into the idea that how others percieve your profession influences your level of satisfaction in that job. For me, it would only come into play if it had a direct impact on the day to day activities of my job. For example, if I was working as a dentist and had to deal with lots of pissed of patients who were pissed off only because they were anti-dentites. I don't think that would be a big problem though.....

I wouldn't depend on others for happiness.
 
Originally posted by ankitovich
lawyer's aren't loathed? what parallel universe is he living in?
JD= jedi of darkside, I loathe the dark side. I also loathe the JD brethern "low IQ putz w/ an MBA."
 
Just to clarify... a dentist is NOT a physician.

A dentist is entititled to be called doctor, but only in the correct context.

For example, if a dentist came up to a woman on the street and was meeting her for the first time, and said "I'm a doctor" that would be misrepresenting himself.

But if he said "my name is Dr. X" or said "I'm a dentist" then its acceptable
 
Don't dentists have higher suicide rates than physicians???
 
Probably. Like I said, dentists that open their own practice are taking some serious risks. Imagine studying for so many years and ending up 400k in the red and your business attempt falls apart.
 
Originally posted by Ernham
Probably. Like I said, dentists that open their own practice are taking some serious risks. Imagine studying for so many years and ending up 400k in the red and your business attempt falls apart.

They should have consulted the low IQ putz with the MBA.
 
Don't dentists have higher suicide rates than physicians???

Yes, The HIGHEST out of ALL PROFESSIONS --Combined. which is quite sad.

Nobody likes visiting any of these groups, but realize that they need the help, no matter how much it may hurt or cost.

uhh you just put docs and dentists in the same catergory. people dont like dentists period. you dont see a 10 year old kid crying his head off at a doctors office as much as you see a 10 year old kid throwing a fit at the dental office. now do you?
 
Don't dentists have higher suicide rates than physicians???
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Yes, The HIGHEST out of ALL PROFESSIONS --Combined. which is quite sad.
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This is hogwash...I don't buy into it:

Dentists not more likely to commit suicide

You may be surprised to learn that there is little evidence that dentists are more prone to stress-related suicides than the general population, according to an article in the June 2001 issue of the Journal of the American Dental Association (JADA).

There are few things that we all know for certain. We know that the sun rises in the east, and sets in the west. We know that there is no escape from death and taxes. We also know that among all the stressful professions in the world, it is dentists who have the highest suicide rate. Many people accept this myth as common knowledge, and it seems to resonate. Here?s why. Some people feel stress when they go to the dentist, and it is only logical to assume that the dentist also feels a great deal of stress as a result. This stress, taken to an extreme, could lead to suicide. You may be surprised to learn that there is little evidence that dentists are more prone to stress-related suicides than the general population, according to an article in the June 2001 issue of the Journal of the American Dental Association (JADA).

Like an urban legend, something that is repeated enough times over and over again begins to be accepted as the truth. "Since 1933, both the public and professional media have repeatedly portrayed dentists as being suicide prone," said Roger E. Alexander, D.D.S., professor, Baylor College of Dentistry, The Texas A&M University System Health Science Center, Dallas. Over the past twenty years, there has been little attempt to verify this claim, despite the fact that there are plenty of valid statistics on this important issue. According to the Centers for Disease Control, suicide took the lives of 30,575 Americans in 1998 (11.3 per 100,000 population), and more people die from suicide than from homicide. In 1998, there were 1.7 times as many suicides as homicides, and overall, suicide is the eighth leading cause of death for all Americans, and is the third leading cause of death for young people aged 15-24. Clearly there is no shortage of statistics on suicide, but there appears to be no evidence that dentists are at any higher risk than the general population, according to the journal?s study.

While I won?t argue that dentistry can be stressful at times, I think it?s fair to say that people in any occupation can feel stress at one time or another. It is also important to point out that it is mental disorders (particularly depression and substance abuse), not stress, that are associated with more than 90% of all cases of suicide. Fortunately, recent research has not confirmed a high suicide rate among dentists, despite decades of misinformation.



My own take on this is that since they perform so many mercury amalgams, the noxious fumes end up killing them.
 
dentists do have the highest suicide rates as surgeons have the highest divorce rates. i know plenty of dentists and a few peo[;e in dental school. compared to my friends in medical school they're having an easier time. and the dentists i know have plenty of time for family
 
the JADA? your source has a biased perspective. come on now, its like asking a profressional theif if he thinks stealing is wrong.
 
yeah i noticed that as well....try to find some information that isn't so subjective
 
kmnfive, i hate to bust your bubble, but you haven't provided one shred of evidence to indicate that dentists have the highest suicide rate of all professions...COMBINED. no offense, but that sentence is absolutely absurd without any statistics to back it up. here, let me give you some more from an unbiased perspective...and if you still need more, i can provide that:


Do dentists have the highest suicide rate?
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Dear Cecil:

I've always heard that dentists have the highest suicide level of any of the medical professions, but I've never believed it. Is there any truth to it? --Terey Allen, Trenton, Michigan

Cecil replies:

This is one of those dodgy things that "everybody knows." And not just the uninformed public, either--dentists themselves believe it. Since the 1960s dental journals have been carrying articles with headlines like "The Suicidal Professions." Dozens of studies have looked at suicide not only among dentists but among health-care workers in general. With few exceptions, research over the past 40 years has found that dentists (and doctors) take their own lives at a higher-than-average rate. But how much higher? To hear some tell it, you'd better not leave these guys in a room alone.

Dentists' odds of suicide "are 6.64 times greater than the rest of the working age population," writes researcher Steven Stack. "Dentists suffer from relatively low status within the medical profession and have strained relationships with their clients--few people enjoy going to the dentist." One study of Oregon dentists found that they had the highest suicide rate of any group investigated. A California study found that dentists were surpassed only by chemists and pharmacists. Of 22 occupations examined in Washington state, dentists had a suicide rate second only to that of sheepherders and wool workers.

But the sheer diversity of results has to make you suspicious. I mean, which is it--dentists, chemists and pharmacists, or sheepherders and wool workers? (What, the bleating gets to them?) And what about psychiatrists? One school of popular belief holds that they have the highest suicide rate.

Read the studies and you begin to see the problem. Suicide research is inherently a little flaky, in part because suicides are often concealed. Equally important from a statistical standpoint is the problem of small numbers: dentists represent only a small fraction of the total population, only a small fraction of them die in a given year, and only a small fraction of those that die are suicides. So you've got people drawing grand conclusions based on tiny samples. For example, I see where the Swedes think their male dentists have an elevated suicide rate. Number of male-dentist suicides on which this finding is based: 18.

But you aren't reading this column to hear me whine about the crummy data. You want the facts. Coming right up. All we need to do, for any occupation of interest, is (a) find a large, reasonably accurate source of mortality statistics, (b) compute suicides as a percentage of total deaths for said group, and (c) compare that percentage with some benchmark, like so:

PERCENTAGE OF DEATHS DUE TO SUICIDE
U.S. white male population 25 and older (1970): 1.5
U.S. white male dentists (1968-72): 2.0 (85 of 4,190)
U.S. white male medical doctors (1967-72): 3.0 (544 of 17,979)
U.S. white male population 25 and older (1990): 2.0
U.S. white male medical doctors (1984-95): 2.7 (379 of 13,790)

(Sources: Vital Statistics of the United States--1970, National Center for Health Statistics, Table 1-26, "Deaths from 281 Selected Causes, by Age, Race, and Sex: United States, 1970"; death certificates from 31 states, reported in "Mortality of Dentists, 1968 to 1972," Bureau of Economic Research and Statistics, Journal of the American Dental Association, January 1975, pp. 195ff; death reports collected by the American Medical Association, reported in "Suicide by Psychiatrists: A Study of Medical Specialists Among 18,730 Physician Deaths During a Five-Year Period, 1967-72," Rich et al., Journal of Clinical Psychiatry, August 1980, pp. 261ff.; Vital Statistics of the United States--1990, National Center for Health Statistics, Table 1-27, "Deaths from 282 Selected Causes, by 5-Year Age Groups, Race, and Sex: United States--1990"; National Occupational Mortality Surveillance database, reported in "Mortality Rates and Causes Among U.S. Physicians," Frank et al., American Journal of Preventive Medicine, Vol. 19, No. 3, 2000.

I know what you're thinking. Percentages! They're so primitive! What about the Poisson distribution, the chi-square test, the multivariate regression analysis? Not to mention the fact that I don't express suicides relative to 100,000 living population; that I haven't corrected for age distribution, socioeconomic status, etc; and that I couldn't find any current data for dentist mortality in the readily available literature. Sue me. We've got enough here to draw some basic conclusions.

Suicide among white male American dentists is higher than average but not as high as among white male American doctors. (Sorry to limit this to white men, but that's all the data I had to work with.) Don't fret, though. Dentists' death rates from other causes are lower, and on average they live several years longer than the general population. Ditto for doctors.

What's the most suicidal occupation? I won't venture an opinion for the world of work overall, but among health-care types it may well be shrinks. In a study of 18,730 physician deaths from 1967 to 1972 (men and women), psychiatrists accounted for 7 percent of the total but 12 percent of the 593 suicides (source: Rich et al., cited above).

Even more alarming is the rate of suicide among female doctors. A recent study found that 3.6 percent of white female doctors' deaths were suicides--higher than the rate for male doctors and many times the average for U.S. women (0.5 percent for 1990; source: Frank et al., cited above; Vital Statistics of the United States--1990). Women have entered medicine in huge numbers in recent decades, but progress has come at a price.

--CECIL ADAMS

SOURCES

Vital Statistics of the United States--1990, National Center for Health Statistics, Table 1-27, "Deaths from 282 Selected Causes, by 5-Year Age Groups, Race, and Sex: United States--1990."
 
Good article that was posted.

Further, even if dentists had a higher suicide rate, using that as a reason NOT to enter the profession would be foolish! What, can't overcome the urge to kill yourself? Gimme a break.

Our job is no more stressfull than the majority of medical specialties. In a lot of ways it is LESS stressfull. We make just as much money, yet earn it in half the hours.

The biggest stressor would be how to overcome that golf handicap.
 
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