Limiting the amount of Pharmacists based on demand

[drhenPharmD]

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Under the Affordable Care Act.

The new National Health Care Workforce Commission will annually assess the nation’s supply and distribution of health care workers, including pharmacists, and project demand for the next 10 and 25 years.

http://www.ncsl.org/documents/health/HlthWrkfrceProvHR3590.pdf
go to page 10-11.

I think its a good thing. But certainly not everything under this act is good.

 

[ucrx]

Under the Affordable Care Act.

The new National Health Care Workforce Commission will annually assess the nation’s supply and distribution of health care workers, including pharmacists, and project demand for the next 10 and 25 years.

http://www.ncsl.org/documents/health/HlthWrkfrceProvHR3590.pdf
go to page 10-11.

I think its a good thing. But certainly not everything under this act is good.

From that link, it seems to be more about determining the status of the professions and maybe beginning to address shortages (or predict them anyway). It doesn't say anything about limiting the number of any health care workers.

 

[drhenPharmD]

From that link, it seems to be more about determining the status of the professions and maybe beginning to address shortages (or predict them anyway). It doesn't say anything about limiting the number of any health care workers.

I'm sure the purpose is provide more incentives and find more ways to get MDs and DOs into primary care in under-served, high-demand areas. But wouldn't the commission's annual assessment also provide irrefutable, comprehensive data (better than the BLS) about overages of health care workers, schools and number of seats?

Of course I am not certain what will happen. I am just speculating, and hoping.

 

[owlegrad]

I'm sure the purpose is provide more incentives and find more ways to get MDs and DOs into primary care in under-served, high-demand areas. But wouldn't the commission's annual assessment also provide irrefutable, comprehensive data (better than the BLS) about overages of health care workers, schools and number of seats?

Better how?

 

[drhenPharmD]

Better how?

By assessing "...public health (I am not sure using what measures), health professions schools, academic health centers, appropriate public or private nonprofit entities.." for entitlement (or lack thereof) to federal funding.

Also, through "...longitudinal evaluation of individuals [health care workers] for the purpose of studying practice patterns and collecting data on performance measures."

Since the BLS does not research for the sole purpose of addressing health care reform, this will hopefully result in different information.

 

[owlegrad]

By assessing "...public health (I am not sure using what measures), health professions schools, academic health centers, appropriate public or private nonprofit entities.." for entitlement (or lack thereof) to federal funding.

Also, through "...longitudinal evaluation of individuals [health care workers] for the purpose of studying practice patterns and collecting data on performance measures."

Since the BLS does not research for the sole purpose of addressing health care reform, this will hopefully result in different information.

I don't want to sound like I am picking on you (you seem nice), but your post says it all. We know nothing about how they are gonna collect this information. The information on that page is general at best. I am skeptical but perhaps I will be proven wrong.

I guess the bottom line for me is: How will their methods be superior to BLS'? What is your objection to BLS' methods anyway?

 

[drhenPharmD]

I don't want to sound like I am picking on you (you seem nice), but your post says it all. We know nothing about how they are gonna collect this information. The information on that page is general at best. I am skeptical but perhaps I will be proven wrong.

I guess the bottom line for me is: How will their methods be superior to BLS'? What is your objection to BLS' methods anyway?

Pick away. I am open to everyone's opinions, that is why I made a post.

You're right, the link is general at best. It is also the most informative thing I could find on Google. I have some more information, but I cannot link it. Regardless, we should be able to see more definitive information further into the timeline of this reform package.

Also, never did I object to the BLS's methods. I only think that this commission will have to collect more data, in order to accomplish what it is trying to do. Also, why are you so skeptical? This commission has not done anything yet. Pharmacy education could use a Flexnor report. Why automatically assume that they will biasly (is that a word? what is the adverb of bias?) collect or interpret data?

 

[All4MyDaughter]

Maybe people are picking because the title of the thread is so misleading. The title refers to "limiting" the amount (number) of pharmacists based on demand, but the linked article is about nothing of the sort.

In Journal Club or lit eval, you always ask "is the title appropriate?" It's not here, so maybe that's why people are confused/seem to be nitpicking?

 

[owlegrad]

Pick away. I am open to everyone's opinions, that is why I made a post.

You're right, the link is general at best. It is also the most informative thing I could find on Google. I have some more information, but I cannot link it. Regardless, we should be able to see more definitive information further into the timeline of this reform package.

Oh super secret information! Now I am really intrigued. If you tell me about it will you have to kill me?

Also, never did I object to the BLS's methods. I only think that this commission will have to collect more data, in order to accomplish what it is trying to do. Also, why are you so skeptical? This commission has not done anything yet. Pharmacy education could use a Flexnor report. Why automatically assume that they will biasly (is that a word? what is the adverb of bias?) collect or interpret data?

You are right, I shouldn't be so skeptical about something that doesn't even exist yet. I guess I am a skeptical person when it comes to these sorts of things.

What is a Flexnor report?

 

[drhenPharmD]

Maybe people are picking because the title of the thread is so misleading. The title refers to "limiting" the amount (number) of pharmacists based on demand, but the linked article is about nothing of the sort.

In Journal Club or lit eval, you always ask "is the title appropriate?" It's not here, so maybe that's why people are confused/seem to be nitpicking?

Thank you for pointing that out. I was just excited about what this could potentially mean and I put it in the title.

Were you a Lit major? What is the adverb of bias?

 

[drhenPharmD]

Oh super secret information! Now I am really intrigued. If you tell me about it will you have to kill me?

No, but you have to pay for it.

You are right, I shouldn't be so skeptical about something that doesn't even exist yet. I guess I am a skeptical person when it comes to these sorts of things.

What is a Flexnor report?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Flexnor+report+

 

[owlegrad]

Thank you for pointing that out. I was just excited about what this could potentially mean and I put it in the title.

Were you a Lit major? What is the adverb of bias?

Bias
adverb
8. in a diagonal manner; obliquely; slantingly: to cut material bias.


Admittedly not what you are looking for but I thought this was interesting.

 

[owlegrad]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Flexnor+report+

😆


Edit: Ya'know I could have done the same thing with your "bias" question....just sayin.

 

[drhenPharmD]

😆


Edit: Ya'know I could have done the same thing with your "bias" question....just sayin.

I'm sure you do that to everyone. Heck I've probably seen you post one.

Sorry about the title everyone. I will bring this thread back up from the dead when the title is true and I can tell Owlegrad "I told you so".

 

[All4MyDaughter]

Thank you for pointing that out. I was just excited about what this could potentially mean and I put it in the title.

Were you a Lit major? What is the adverb of bias?

No adverb form of bias (as you're using it) as far as I know. What you're trying to say is probably something like "in a biased manner" or "in a biased fashion."

A synonym that might express what you were trying to say is "subjectively."

The adverb form listed above refers to a way of cutting fabric for dressmaking or sewing as in "on the bias."

 

[owlegrad]

I'm sure you do that to everyone. Heck I've probably seen you post one.

It does seem like the type of thing I would do, but no I have never seen that before. I got a really good laugh out of it. I wouldn't put it past me to do this in the future.

Sorry about the title everyone. I will bring this thread back up from the dead when the title is true and I can tell Owlegrad "I told you so".

I would love nothing more!

 

[quartel]

Pretty recently in Australia they have already released a study on supply and demand of pharmacists. It made clear a vast oversupply of pharmacists to the government. Nothing has been done to address the oversupply issue as of yet. I'm not sure anything can be done to stop the oversupply. You can't tell schools to limit enrollment or stop the building of new schools. The government has no interest in halting of federally backed student loans either.

 

[1ive2die]

Wake up call guys. Nobody cares if there are more pharmacists than the demand. Just like nobody cares if there are more college and university grads than the jobs available to them.

 

[aussiepharmer]

Spot on, mate!
Human greed has completely messed up this profession(globally).
I have recently decided that there's no point for me of becoming a 'famacizt!'

 

[Quiksilver]

Wake up call guys. Nobody cares if there are more pharmacists than the demand. Just like nobody cares if there are more college and university grads than the jobs available to them.

wake up. You should care.

 

[1ive2die]

wake up. You should care.

I meant no one who has the power to do anything about it (e.g. government, academic institutions) cares.