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Do the caribbean schools allow you to practice in all states except basically california? Is that the deal?
List of schools that allow you to practice in all states?
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There are several schools that have 50 state approval... There are too many for me to list (despite what many believe)... But I would check with that particular school (compile a list of ALL possible schools) and then asses their state of approval...
A lot of the schools that are California approved (not all) have 50 state approval... So here is a link to a list of Cali's approved medical schools:
Cali Med Approval Board
I would start here
A lot of the schools that are California approved (not all) have 50 state approval... So here is a link to a list of Cali's approved medical schools:
Cali Med Approval Board
I would start here
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There are ONLY 4 schools that allow licensure in 50 states:
Ross
AUC
SGU
Saba
The rest range from a few, up to 45 states.
Ross
AUC
SGU
Saba
The rest range from a few, up to 45 states.
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This is inaccurate and a complete misconception (no offense), there are more than four that allow 50 state licensure... Well, lets just say that in the Dominican Republic alone there over 5 that allow 50 state licensure.. So thats why I said that you should check with THAT specific school... If in DR alone there are 5, then you should check with other islands and schools...
Have you ever thought about South America as well, Mexico... etc....
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Stop posting stupid stuff.
Caribbean schools are offshore schools for US students.
You are talking about foriegn schools. No one cares about foreign schools when they talk about the Caribbean.
Caribbean schools are offshore schools for US students.
You are talking about foriegn schools. No one cares about foreign schools when they talk about the Caribbean.
This is inaccurate and a complete misconception (no offense), there are more than four that allow 50 state licensure... Well, lets just say that in the Dominican Republic alone there over 5 that allow 50 state licensure.. So thats why I said that you should check with THAT specific school... If in DR alone there are 5, then you should check with other islands and schools...
Have you ever thought about South America as well, Mexico... etc....
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What are you talking about "stupid" stuff??
There are schools over there that have English programs and one of the ones that has 50 state approval has a concrete ALL English program... On top of that the others WILL teach you the language, while there is another one with 50 state approval that is starting an English program...
Why would you call this stupid stuff... It is NOT stupid and if you decide to go to one of these schools you WILL get a good medical education... As I personally know of several doctors from the DR who are successfully practicing here, in the US...
He asked about Caribbean schools, so what the DR is not in the Caribbean? If thats true then neither AUC, SABA, ROSS or St. Georges can be classified as Caribbean....
Listen don't get mad because I pointed out your misconception/inaccuracy, and because I'm actually letting others know that the BIG 4 aren't the only "safe" options... Or whatever....
Just because your paying over 30k a year MORE than you could be paying at another 50 state approved school isn't my problem....
Get on with your life...🙄
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I don't actually read everything you write, but after the first sentence I see that you are not too bright.
It is simple: Caribbean medical schools are off-shore schools specifically built for US students and geared for the USMLE.
The rest are foreign schools. They are schools for those countries where others may go.
Please tell me that you are smart enough to tell the difference.
It is simple: Caribbean medical schools are off-shore schools specifically built for US students and geared for the USMLE.
The rest are foreign schools. They are schools for those countries where others may go.
Please tell me that you are smart enough to tell the difference.
What are you talking about "stupid" stuff??
There are schools over there that have English programs and one of the ones that has 50 state approval has a concrete ALL English program... On top of that the others WILL teach you the language, while there is another one with 50 state approval that is starting an English program...
Why would you call this stupid stuff... It is NOT stupid and if you decide to go to one of these schools you WILL get a good medical education... As I personally know of several doctors from the DR who are successfully practicing here, in the US...
He asked about Caribbean schools, so what the DR is not in the Caribbean? If thats true then neither AUC, SABA, ROSS or St. Georges can be classified as Caribbean....
Listen don't get mad because I pointed out your misconception/inaccuracy, and because I'm actually letting others know that the BIG 4 aren't the only "safe" options... Or whatever....
Just because your paying over 30k a year MORE than you could be paying at another 50 state approved school isn't my problem....
Get on with your life...🙄
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Ok.. If you put it that way then yes, I can clearly see the difference... You are right in the differentiation...
You can read this if you want, if not then whatever....
I really don't have time for your "witty" unwarranted remarks... If I offended you then... yes... It is warranted, but it seems like you have nothing better to do than spit out BS once in a while... I don't get "offended" by the things you say most of time...
But its a little immature.... Well thats my opinion.... Just because your misinformed about a specific subject doesn't mean your not too bright... It means you need to learn a little more about that subject... Thats why they call it "learning"...
If you found fault in what I said... Correct me and move on... Thats it...
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I told you. I do not read past the first sentence.
Try being more concise and I will read what you say.
Try being more concise and I will read what you say.
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Most caribbean schools have clinical rotations throughout the United States, and are recognized by a majority of the states. Schools such as St. George, Ross, American University of the Caribbean and Saba University are recognized by all 50 states; however second tier schools such as St. James, St. Eustatius, Windsor University, St. Matthews and MUA are recognized by 45+ states and do offer extensive clinical rotations in affiliated green schools. So what if you don't get your top choice residency, a residency is still a residency and after successful completion; will allow you to sit for the boards. After that, you can practice wherever you want (if you can get a fellowship/attending position that is). In the hospital where i volunteer, I have befriended IM/ER residents who graduated from St. James and are on their 3rd and 2nd year of residency; both of which didn't get their top residency choice; however, both are still in a residency program. Both of whom are great physicians, in my opinion, clear and vocal.
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????...what...Residency is one of the MOST important aspects of not only your medical career but your whole life in general. If you get stuck with some psych residency and you hate psych with a passion, being a doctor is not going to be something you will enjoy, and the rest of your life will suffer along with it...Being a doctor just for the sake of being a doctor is not going to get you far...you have to like what you are doing...I highly advise that going to these 2nd tier schools just for the fact that you will get into "some" residency or be able to practice in some of the states is not the best way to go about things...
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Con Vers: Ok...If you put it that way then your correct in that sense...
I don't offend you, then don't personally offend me... Cuz I'm not one of your Bi#%hes..Simple..enough...😉
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What?????????? Are you serious here?
UH you are not forced to match into psych LOL where in the heck did you get that misinformation? A grad ranks the residencies they are interested in and if not interested in Psych then you do not even put it down. In fact you can put down 10 IM programs for instance to match into one.
Uh also like to point out that if you match into one residency and hate it many then go into the match as PGY2 and PGY 3 have you not seen the matches for these? People change and even after the first residency nothing is stopping you from a second or fellowship in something else. I have known a lot of Docs who started in IM and now some are GI, Renal, ID ect... please............
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????...are you serious...but seriously I was responding to what alleghany said about how going to a 2nd tier carribean school will still allow you to land at some residency ("residency=residency") and even at schools not fully reconized by all the states..I was merely saying that, it would not be wise to go to medical school for this reason...
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Look I agree, but this tier thing for Caribbean schools, well is silly, Being Cali recognised or not has little bearing on a residency match, Step one score or Prematch is more important. There is just about 0 stats on this at this time.
That said, Big 4 (AUC, ROSS, SABA and or SGU) is still the best Caribbean to attend.
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You're rebuttal is rather mute, and is indicative of your limited exposure to true information about medical residencies concerning allopathic graduates (US,Carib,Foreign). First point, a residency is a residency, and for one to be able to land on one is illustrative of one's strengths in the basic sciences as well as in the clinical aspect, as manifested by the medical applicant vis-a-vis performance in his clinical rotations, as well as scores on his USMLE1,2,3. Second point, there are medical students in the United States (allo or osteo) who are unable to claim their top choice of residency, forced to scramble, or even not landing on a residency at all so for you incipetously claim that Allopathic Medical Graduates of a Medical School located in the Caribbean are selectively subject to that phenomenon is completely out of base and null in void. Lastly, a medical residency is a medical residency. And your example of landing on a pysch residency is out of base; if one doesn't want to get into psych then why apply for a position? If one is interested in getting an IM/ER/PED residency then you would apply for those during the match, if not even scramble for one. A real physician can lick his wounds and understand that he/she cannot get whatever he/she wants; the same inherent fact that not all of us can save all our patients. This of course correlates with landing on a residency.
Its all about dedication, a strong resolve and unwavering conviction. Its rather clear that you have no interest in medical school in the caribbean; so why post at all in our forums?
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What does that mean a residency is a residency?...anyone who pass their classes and pass the boards can get a residency...about 95% of US graduates who can achieve these two minimium requirements get into a residency...I doubt its that close at a 2nd tier carribbean school. I am simply saying that having the attitude of a "residency is a residency" should not be a criteria in picking a medical school. You will ultimately end up unhappy
I never said all US graduates get their top choice or any residency, but seeing that half of carribbean students dont even match, and seeing that the big 4 schools have a pretty high matching rate, this does not bode well for 2nd tier schools. Again, saying a residency is a residency is not a good criteria given this second fact...It will work well for an American grad because if they pass the will get a residency...not as true for a 2nd tier school...
When you say a residency is a residency, this is exactly what you mean. If you feel you have a decent chance at matching at some buffo primary care spot then would you pass that up (even if it is psych), especially coming from a 2nd tier school where your chances arent exactly sealed.
I spend a lot of time on SDN so I go on all the forums, and I like to correct people who give pre-meds bad advice because it truly does affect their thinking...when you say it's fine to go to a 2nd tier school because a residency is a residency, is quite a misinformed statement and I feel I needed to correct you...I am not the only one who agree's here, if you read oldpro's post...
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Yes I agreed that the residency reason to go to medical school is not a good reason because of the silly notion that premed students who have hardly set foot in a clinical setting for more then a few hours think they know what they want to do or what they can do. ( I had 17 years as an RN before Medical school so I did have a clue)
You see premeds love to argue BLAH BLAH BLAH but this is the truth here
1. You have to finish undergrad
2. You have to be accepted into medical school somewhere to even.....
3. Take the USMLE after passing Basic Sci
4. Then after you do 1,2 and 3 your step score has to be 220 or better for
5. The residencies that most debate like Surgery, DERM, Anesthesia ect that
6. Caribbean, FMG, US Grad cannot get into with out these better board scores most will need into the 230 and 240 ranges to be matched into them
7. Which most do not even know they will like until after 3rd year clerkships
SO............. Talk all you want here but really you have no idea yet till you have been through this. Trust me other 3rd and 4th years will tell you, things will change in clerkships but hey most of you just need to get into medical school first right? 😱
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What have you heard about Windsor? How does it compare to a school like AUA, which has 48 (soon to be 50) states?
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There has recently been a significant change in the tracking of medical providers, physicians and midlevel practitioners, at the national level.
All providers are now issued a National Provider Identifier number. The government, at the federal level, is issuing this number to track relevant medicare/medicaid claims back to an individual. Every licensed practitioner, no matter which state you are in, will be issued such a number. I have already been issued one as a resident. This number will stay with me for the entirety of my medical career, no matter where I go to practice. It does not change when I change licensure. This "control number" is a way for the federal government to track and, ultimately, determine eligibility of medicare/medicaid reimbursement at the individual level.
Details:
http://www.cms.hhs.gov/nationalprovidentstand/
Why is this relevant? Because this may have unwittingly opened a legal challenge to individual state sovereignty over medical licensure.
CMS will claim that this is merely a national unique billing number. But, if one is being "certified" in any way, shape, or form to bill medicare/medicaid at the national level, an effective legal counterargument could be made that you should be allowed to bill for medicare services wherever they are rendered, if you are deemed eligible (or ineligible) to bill by the virtue of this number.
In other words, this means that, once you're issued this number, you are effectively identified by medicare as someone who is able to submit a claim. If you are able to submit a medicare claim in one state for what is tantamount to federal-level reimbursement for services, it is a hard legal argument to substantiate that you should be unable to do the same for similar services in another state.
I would imagine that this will provide grounds for legal challenge, for anyone who's willing to undertake it, if they are issued a medical license in one state, a subsequent NPI, and then apply (and are denied) licensure in another state.
Such a legal argument may not ultimately win at the state level, but I cannot overemphasize how much of a precedent this has set. I can even imagine such a case making it all the way to the supreme court, if someone were willing to take it that far. This very number, whether they realized it or not at the time of inception, may have unwittingly brought (and eventually will bring) to fore the legality and sovereignty of individual state medical licensure!
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There has recently been a significant change in the tracking of medical providers, physicians and midlevel practitioners, at the national level.
All providers are now issued a National Provider Identifier number. The government, at the federal level, is issuing this number to track relevant medicare/medicaid claims back to an individual. Every licensed practitioner, no matter which state you are in, will be issued such a number. I have already been issued one as a resident. This number will stay with me for the entirety of my medical career, no matter where I go to practice. It does not change when I change licensure. This "control number" is a way for the federal government to track and, ultimately, determine eligibility of medicare/medicaid reimbursement at the individual level.
Details:
http://www.cms.hhs.gov/nationalprovidentstand/
Why is this relevant? Because this may have unwittingly opened a legal challenge to individual state sovereignty over medical licensure.
CMS will claim that this is merely a national unique billing number. But, if one is being "certified" in any way, shape, or form to bill medicare/medicaid at the national level, an effective legal counterargument could be made that you should be allowed to bill for medicare services wherever they are rendered, if you are deemed eligible (or ineligible) to bill by the virtue of this number.
In other words, this means that, once you're issued this number, you are effectively identified by medicare as someone who is able to submit a claim. If you are able to submit a medicare claim in one state for what is tantamount to federal-level reimbursement for services, it is a hard legal argument to substantiate that you should be unable to do the same for similar services in another state.
I would imagine that this will provide grounds for legal challenge, for anyone who's willing to undertake it, if they are issued a medical license in one state, a subsequent NPI, and then apply (and are denied) licensure in another state.
Such a legal argument may not ultimately win at the state level, but I cannot overemphasize how much of a precedent this has set. I can even imagine such a case making it all the way to the supreme court, if someone were willing to take it that far. This very number, whether they realized it or not at the time of inception, may have unwittingly brought (and eventually will bring) to fore the legality and sovereignty of individual state medical licensure!
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Ross Univ, 2005 Graduate with Honors
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AUC, SGU, SABA and ROSS. These Caribbean schools are approved in all 50 states, which are opened especially for the Americans to study medicine if they can't some how get into the US med schools. Yes, you can become a great doctor coming from these schools, as they take the same USMLE and do their clinicals in the states as any other American student, and as I said previously they are approved in all 50 states as well. MUA and AUC are good schools too but not approved in all 50 states.
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...but remember the majority of people that attend these schools...end up getting kicked out...
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HA HA HA,
Where do you people get such misinformation? The attrition rate is not that high! I was in a class of 30 at my school and we lost 2 and gained 3.........
thats a 9% attrition rate. I heard it may be as high as 20% but still that means 80% make it............ That does not equal MOST!
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It depends on the school, Ross has some very high attrition numbers, SGU and Saba are supposed to be low. The California medical board mentioned Saba's attrition rate being 4 percent, I doubt Saba would lie to the CA medical board. SGU's rate is also supposed to be low.
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