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Do we list all of the care we have give to our own animals under "animal experience"?
I am thinking no, but not sure.
I am thinking no, but not sure.
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Do a search, there have been a million threads about this.
I think listing pet ownership makes it look like you are padding your hours. Like if you were applying to med school and you listed taking your own medication or putting band aids on yourself or something.
Do a search, there have been a million threads about this.
I think listing pet ownership makes it look like you are padding your hours. Like if you were applying to med school and you listed taking your own medication or putting band aids on yourself or something.
Agreed. I thought the VMCAS explicitly states not to count pet ownership unless it's showing, 4H, breeding, or something of that sort
Do a search, there have been a million threads about this.
I think listing pet ownership makes it look like you are padding your hours. Like if you were applying to med school and you listed taking your own medication or putting band aids on yourself or something.
Now if you are doing things like cat 4H (awesome, how does that work?) where you and your animal are actively learning and growing in an activity, I think that is appropriate.
If anyone thought having a bunch of pets made them unique though, I'd rethink that one as I think pre-vets without pets are much rarer.
I agree with this all the way. You worded it perfectly... and it makes sense 👍To me, the difference is the type of learning curve.
If you're doing horse showing, or agility training, or something of that nature, you are probably continually learning new things about animal health and behavior.
Likewise if you are working for a vet, or working on a farm, or volunteering at different places, you are likely to be learning new things on a regular basis as you advance at work or gain responsibilities as a volunteer. Or you are having conversations with people in the field and gaining insights into their thought process, challenges, ways of dealing with clients, etc.
However, while there is an initial learning curve with pet ownership, I think adding up all the hours of feeding, grooming, and walking is redundant because the litter box pretty much gets cleaned the same every time. So after time #5 it's not really teaching you anything.
Now if you are doing things like cat 4H (awesome, how does that work?) where you and your animal are actively learning and growing in an activity, I think that is appropriate.
Obviously, do what you want. I have no personal stake in it; just saying that if I were on an adcom I might raise an eyebrow if thousands of hours of pet ownership showed up on an application.
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I've probably spent at least a couple hundred hours cleaning my cats' litterboxes in my lifetime...But that's pretty amazing, I'm sure no other cat owners have done that. Maybe VMCAS needs to make a special section for applicants to list their litterbox cleaning experience throughout their life![]()
Look, I know you think that your pet hours should count, but it will look like you're just padding. 11,000 hours? Sheesh. It doesn't matter if there's 6,000 other hours, all adding an extra 11k will do is make adcoms think you weren't confident enough in the quality of your 6k hours.And I'm sure no other applicants have learned how to give injections or draw blood or monitor anesthesia or any of the other million things we learn to do while working with vets, so surely we shouldn't list those things as veterinary experience.
The instructions do not say to list those animal experiences that you think are unique to you, that you think none of the other applicants has ever done in their life. It says list animal experience. Period. If your school doesn't say not to list pet ownership, then why not?
I guess the final verdict would be, when in doubt, ask. Shoot an email to the schools you're applying to and get the answer straight from the horse's mouth.
I have plenty of hours with pets, too - I grew up caring for never less than 4 dogs at a time, and a constantly shifting menagerie of snapping turtles, snakes, lizards, hamsters &c. &c. I left all this off my application. The reason is that the application isn't designed to see how much you know about animals - the school doesn't care how much you know before you get in, because they plan to teach it all to you whether you know it or not. Instead, the application serves to tell the school what kind of experience you've had with the profession so that they know you're sufficiently familiar with vet met that you won't flip out and drop after year one.
So list it if you want, but I'd like to point out that everyone who's saying 'don't list unless the school explicitly says they want it' is currently a vet student.
Except that my hours don't need padding. I have 17,000 hours of animal experience. 11,000 of those (and that's a very conservative estimate) are from my own animals.
And that proves what exactly? That vet students are closed-minded? That pre-vet students think differently? And you have a sample size of what? 6 students (1 of whom disagrees). I don't see any reason that is relevant unless some of those vet students have served on an admissions committee.
Uh, that is why there is vet experience section and an animal experience section. Clearly the animal experience section is there to show familiarity with animals in general, not just the profession. How much schools care about the animal experience section is open to debate but it is there for a reason.
Hey Tik, that's your opinion and that it is what this forum is for, to provide advice and opinion.
Sorry, but to me, you are still crossing a line and stating as fact, what is clearly your personal observations. Not ALL vet students got in by not listing pet experience. In fact, you have no idea what % listed it. Because a couple of people said so here is hardly an indicator. It's not about publishing it is about generalizing from anecdotal evidence. It is dangerous.
Omitting the information could be worse than including the evidence. Again, unless you are an adcom member then you really don't know.
Out of polite curiosity, how did you calculate the number of hours you have taken care of these various pets? I remember this being discussed in another thread, which is why I'm asking, because some people counted every hour of every day they'd owned a pet as "animal experience" and while technically you'd see your pet every day, or nearly every day, you aren't constantly caring for them. Not meant as a personal attack, just curious!
I don't think any of us can knowingly say whether it will help or hinder you but that's the whole application process in general.
So, yes, contact the schools and see if they mind seeing pet ownership on there. If they don't then awesome and you're golden. If not, then don't put them. Easy Peasy.
For interest sake - when I was a WSU this summer, the director of admissions advised me to put ANYTHING else I wanted the adcom to know about me in the "community service" section. She said that it is a sort of catch-all section. SO, I put my time riding/owning/showing horses into that section. It doesn't ask for amount of time but still gave me the opportunity to show them another part of my life.
^ Most applicants aren't unique. Most people applying have animal experience at various jobs, and most applicants have worked, shadowed, or volunteered at multiple clinics doing typical things like drawing up vaccines, restraining animals, and folding towels, so by your logic, no one would be adding anything at all to their application unless they'd done something truly unique like a physical exam on an Emperor Penguin in Antarctica.
And just FYI, it was included in my personal statement as well. I chose to sell myself at every possible opportunity in my third application and it must have worked because I was finally a direct admit. 😎
^ Most applicants aren't unique. Most people applying have animal experience at various jobs, and most applicants have worked, shadowed, or volunteered at multiple clinics doing typical things like drawing up vaccines, restraining animals, and folding towels, so by your logic, no one would be adding anything at all to their application unless they'd done something truly unique like a physical exam on an Emperor Penguin in Antarctica.
And just FYI, it was included in my personal statement as well. I chose to sell myself at every possible opportunity in my third application and it must have worked because I was finally a direct admit. 😎
I like it! Anytime someone asks me what makes you unique I get so frustrated. I am just like every other applicant who really wants to be a veterinarian, has done a ****load of work in a vet clinic and volunteered with multiple species of animals.
If I have to apply again I am going going to say. I am the ONLY applicant who is 5' 3" tall, has brown hair, brown eyes, prefers to keep hair in a ponytail, has over 6 years of veterinary experience. Likes bowling, hiking and learning about airplanes. Wants to travel the world and say that I have visited every continent. Has grown up with dogs, cats, rabbits, hamsters, fish, guinea pigs and rabbits. Has seen a guinea pig attempt to mate with a rabbit and severely fail. Has grown up with 3 sisters; no brothers. Has worked with monkeys, alligators, crocodiles, bats, and many other reptiles and small mammals at a zoo (and absolutely is not interested in zoo med). So, in the end, I bet you will never find another applicant that is 5' 3" with brown hair and brown eyes who has 6 years of veterinary experience; enjoys bowling, hiking, airplanes and has a massive interest in travel, has seen a guinea pig fail at mating with a rabbit, has worked with multiple species at a zoo (and is NOT interested in zoo med) and has 3 sisters and no brothers. SO HA! 😛
Hahaha. With the ability to spin things like that, no wonder you were able to get into Penn! BrilliantJust relate it all to vet stuff and u are uniquely qualified.
"ponytail": likes ponies.
learn about airplanes: Interested in how things work like physiology.
Bowling: strong fingers, a perfect candidate for orthopedics.
Hiking: can stand on your feet all day without getting tired.
guinea pig vs rabbit: interested in reproduction.
massive interest in travel: will be great in an intl vet med program
no brothers: used to being in an environment w/o men.
3 sisters: used to hanging around with lots of women.
etc etc.