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I applied with my co-signers and got offer a private medical student loan at the APR of 4.85%, full deferment and this is a fixed rate. This is the first time that I ever applied for student loan. As such, I don't know whether this rate is a good one. People at school assured me that this will be the best I could ever get. However, I find the rate to be rather high in comparison to the fed rate. My uncles who happen to be my co-signer have no idea about the rate either. He thinks it is low in comparison to what he paid back in the 90s. However, his mortgage is at a much lower rate than ever so he is unsure about it either. I am hoping someone can give me context of the present world of student loan in relation to my rate.

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The fed rate is 6.8% for unsubsidized grad loans, so you got a good APR. The fed loans also start incurring interest during school, but with certain private loans you can defer the interest till you start residency (extremely huge plus). Make sure your private loans has forgiveness for disability and death, otherwise your cosigners will bear the burden of your debt. Some loans will also allow you to relinquish your co-signer after a certain amount of payments.

Make sure you understand all these things and the benefits/costs of such loans before you start taking them out. In the end, federal loans are always the safest bet.
 
Thats a low rate for fixed. What company?
 
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It's a good rate, but remember you usually have to start paying back private loans right away, versus not having to pay federal loans until after graduation.
 
The fed rate is 6.8% for unsubsidized grad loans, so you got a good APR. The fed loans also start incurring interest during school, but with certain private loans you can defer the interest till you start residency (extremely huge plus). Make sure your private loans has forgiveness for disability and death, otherwise your cosigners will bear the burden of your debt. Some loans will also allow you to relinquish your co-signer after a certain amount of payments.

Make sure you understand all these things and the benefits/costs of such loans before you start taking them out. In the end, federal loans are always the safest bet.

Thanks for the reply. However, as an International students, I don't have the federal loan options. As a matter of fact, if I were a us citizen, I would have applied for a navy scholarship. Now that you mentioned it, I think I will look into the death and disability clause. I was actually prepared to buy a life term insurance against such possibility.
 
It's a good rate, but remember you usually have to start paying back private loans right away, versus not having to pay federal loans until after graduation.

It is actually a full deferment. However, I think I got such good rates because I have very good cosigners. Like many other people mentioned in this site, I would love to take federal loans but I cannot due to citizenship status. As a matter fact, if I had status, I would join the navy to have the scholarship.
 
I applied with my co-signers and got offer a private medical student loan at the APR of 4.85%, full deferment and this is a fixed rate. This is the first time that I ever applied for student loan. As such, I don't know whether this rate is a good one. People at school assured me that this will be the best I could ever get. However, I find the rate to be rather high in comparison to the fed rate. My uncles who happen to be my co-signer have no idea about the rate either. He thinks it is low in comparison to what he paid back in the 90s. However, his mortgage is at a much lower rate than ever so he is unsure about it either. I am hoping someone can give me context of the present world of student loan in relation to my rate.

I would encourage you to look more at repayment terms of your loan rather than the interest rate.
Is it fixed or variable interest rate?
How many years after you take out the loan do you have to start repaying it? (if full repayment starts during residency this sucks)
When you start repaying your loan how many months/years do you have to repay it?
What are penalties for violating rules of your loan agreement?
What are your deferment options after medical school?
If you do have deferment options will your interest rate stay the same?
Don't listen to "people at school", you need to shop around with other private companies to compare rates.
I would take a higher rate loan but with better repayment options.

Again, really its your uncle who is on the hook if something goes wrong since he co-signed.

These are all very important things. Lets say you take out $100k of this private loan and then your repayment starts during residency (assuming its over 10 years and 4.85%) you will have monthly payment of around $1000/month. It will be quite touch living on your $50k resident salary as this will take up 30% of your paycheck.
 
It sounds to me like this is a variable rate just based on what I have learned over the past few months talking with fellow classmates who are also pursuing private loan options. The lowest fixed rate I have seen is around 6.7% and the lowest variable is around 3.8% that I have seen. If, however, your interest rate is fixed, then you have one heck of a good deal.
It's a good rate, but remember you usually have to start paying back private loans right away, versus not having to pay federal loans until after graduation.
This is usually not the case. Most all medical graduate private loans are deferrable through residency. My private loan has deferment for up to 7 years of residency and has a forgiveness clause in the case of permanent disability or death.
 
It's a good rate, but remember you usually have to start paying back private loans right away, versus not having to pay federal loans until after graduation.

This is not true. There are many private lenders that allow for payment after graduation.

The last two posters above me have made very good points. Make to find out whether the rate is fixed or variable. Look at if interest rates decline with timely payments and what the time period for those payments are (5 years, 10 years, 15 years etc.).
 
It sounds to me like this is a variable rate just based on what I have learned over the past few months talking with fellow classmates who are also pursuing private loan options. The lowest fixed rate I have seen is around 6.7% and the lowest variable is around 3.8% that I have seen. If, however, your interest rate is fixed, then you have one heck of a good deal.

This is usually not the case. Most all medical graduate private loans are deferrable through residency. My private loan has deferment for up to 7 years of residency and has a forgiveness clause in the case of permanent disability or death.
Wrong. The amount of wrong on this thread is astonishing. OP, well done. I was able to secure a fixed rate APR @ ~5.9%, with the actual interest rate being slightly over that. Private loans are very competitive and have great repayment options.
 
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The fed rate is 6.8% for unsubsidized grad loans, so you got a good APR. The fed loans also start incurring interest during school, but with certain private loans you can defer the interest till you start residency (extremely huge plus). Make sure your private loans has forgiveness for disability and death, otherwise your cosigners will bear the burden of your debt. Some loans will also allow you to relinquish your co-signer after a certain amount of payments.

Make sure you understand all these things and the benefits/costs of such loans before you start taking them out. In the end, federal loans are always the safest bet.

Woah, seriously? I wish my private loan worked this way. Does yours work that way OP?

Mine says:
1)Deferment Period:
Interest will accrue but you are
not required to make payments during the Deferment
Period, unless you selected In-School Payment during
the application process. We will capitalize any and
all accrued and unpaid interest at the beginning of the
Repayment Period

+
You agree to pay interest on the principal loan amount
from the time we disburse the proceeds until the principal
balance is paid in full.
1)
Interest Calculated Daily:
We will calculate interest
on a daily basis on the outstanding principal balance
until the loan balance is paid in full. The daily interest
rate is equal to the annual interest rate in effect on that
day divided by the number of days in that calendar year.
Because we calculate interest daily, the amount of interest
you pay will vary based on the number of days between
your previous payment and your current payment

Question regarding the bolded: Does that mean that if my loan balance is 10,000.00/year then everyday the interest charge for that first year is the same because the outstanding balance won't capitalize until after 4 years, when I enter the repayment period? And the second year, after another 10,000.00 is taken out the daily interest charge will only be double?
 
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Woah, seriously? I wish my private loan worked this way. Does yours work that way OP?

Mine says:
1)Deferment Period:
Interest will accrue but you are
not required to make payments during the Deferment
Period, unless you selected In-School Payment during
the application process. We will capitalize any and
all accrued and unpaid interest at the beginning of the
Repayment Period

+
You agree to pay interest on the principal loan amount
from the time we disburse the proceeds until the principal
balance is paid in full.
1)
Interest Calculated Daily:
We will calculate interest
on a daily basis on the outstanding principal balance
until the loan balance is paid in full. The daily interest
rate is equal to the annual interest rate in effect on that
day divided by the number of days in that calendar year.
Because we calculate interest daily, the amount of interest
you pay will vary based on the number of days between
your previous payment and your current payment

Question regarding the bolded: Does that mean that if my loan balance is 10,000.00/year then everyday the interest charge for that first year is the same because the outstanding balance won't capitalize until after 4 years, when I enter the repayment period? And the second year, after another 10,000.00 is taken out the daily interest charge will only be double?

I would take what I say with a grain of salt on that part. The vast majority of loans will start incurring interest as soon as you pull out money for that year.
 
Thanks for the reply. However, as an International students, I don't have the federal loan options. As a matter of fact, if I were a us citizen, I would have applied for a navy scholarship. Now that you mentioned it, I think I will look into the death and disability clause. I was actually prepared to buy a life term insurance against such possibility.

The term life insurance idea is not a bad one. For a (presumably) young and healthy person for a relatively short term, the odds of you dying (except by suicide, which they won't cover anyway) are so small that such policies are cheap.
 
Wrong. The amount of wrong on this thread is astonishing. OP, well done. I was able to secure a fixed rate APR @ ~5.9%, with the actual interest rate being slightly over that. Private loans are very competitive and have great repayment options.
I think you looked over the part where I included those were the lowest interest rates that I have seen. So, I'm not sure how I could be wrong in that aspect since I never stated any facts?
 
Woah, seriously? I wish my private loan worked this way. Does yours work that way OP?

Mine says:
1)Deferment Period:
Interest will accrue but you are
not required to make payments during the Deferment
Period, unless you selected In-School Payment during
the application process. We will capitalize any and
all accrued and unpaid interest at the beginning of the
Repayment Period

+
You agree to pay interest on the principal loan amount
from the time we disburse the proceeds until the principal
balance is paid in full.
1)
Interest Calculated Daily:
We will calculate interest
on a daily basis on the outstanding principal balance
until the loan balance is paid in full. The daily interest
rate is equal to the annual interest rate in effect on that
day divided by the number of days in that calendar year.
Because we calculate interest daily, the amount of interest
you pay will vary based on the number of days between
your previous payment and your current payment

Question regarding the bolded: Does that mean that if my loan balance is 10,000.00/year then everyday the interest charge for that first year is the same because the outstanding balance won't capitalize until after 4 years, when I enter the repayment period? And the second year, after another 10,000.00 is taken out the daily interest charge will only be double?
You are correct. Once interest starts to capitalize, then it's is problematic.
 
Calling the wise @bc65!!!


Thanks for the compliment, but your confidence in me is misplaced, as student loans are not my area of expertise. However, since I'm here, I'll chime in. As one of my surgery attendings used to say, "I'm often wrong, but never in doubt."


I applied with my co-signers and got offer a private medical student loan at the APR of 4.85%, full deferment and this is a fixed rate. This is the first time that I ever applied for student loan. As such, I don't know whether this rate is a good one. People at school assured me that this will be the best I could ever get. However, I find the rate to be rather high in comparison to the fed rate.

I'm not very familiar with the intricacies of student loans, but I agree with a poster above, 4.85% is lower than the Federal loans available to med students, currently at 6.8%, which, incidentally, is still low by historical standards. Student loans were 12% in the 1980's. Mortgages were 7.5% in the early 2000's. So, if 4.85% is a fixed rate on a student loan , it's a great deal.

Of course, you won't have the benefits of the repayment plans such as IBR and PAYE, and PSLF, but as a foreign student, you probably wouldn't have had access to them anyway, and in any event, most students refinance and pay off the loans early anyway.

I have seen residents get loans refinanced at rates that low and lower, but those loans are a safer bet for the lender, since the borrowers have already finished med school, and often residency as well. If this is indeed a fixed rate, perhaps it's because of the co-signing, as you suggested.

I think I got such good rates because I have very good cosigners.

The big problem in this thread is for the co-signer. It's a huge risk, and such loans often destroy families, when the borrower can't or won't pay back the loan. I realize that this is a special case, as it's for med school tuition, but there are still risks for the co-signer. You may not graduate, or get kicked out for some violation or other.

My advice to co-signers would be not to sign. For a small loan, I would recommend giving the money as a gift, rather than lending it. If you lend money to a friend you will lose the friend, as they will stop returning phone calls so as not to have to pay the loan back. People who borrow from friends or need co-signers often won't ever be able to get it to pay back the loan. So as a general rule, don't co-sign unless you can afford to pay back the loan without difficulty or regret in the event of default.

Fortunately for OP, his uncle probably won't see my post.

Question regarding the bolded: Does that mean that if my loan balance is 10,000.00/year then everyday the interest charge for that first year is the same because the outstanding balance won't capitalize until after 4 years, when I enter the repayment period? And the second year, after another 10,000.00 is taken out the daily interest charge will only be double?

If I understand that question correctly, then yes. They mean that you will owe simple interest during the deferral period, but that interest won't compound during that deferral period. So yes, every year you would owe the interest for the principal, but you won't start paying interest on the interest you owe until the deferral period ends. At that point, the accumulated interest that you owe will be added to the loan, and at that point the loan will compound, i.e. you will start paying interest on the unpaid interest which has already accumulated.

Understand that all loans are subject to compound interest. However, since almost all loans have you paying off the interest you owe each month, plus some principal, you don't actually see any compounding. Most loans in which you don't pay the interest would have that interest compound from the beginning, so this feature is slightly better for you, but the deferral period is relatively short, so I don't think the financial benefit of this temporary lack of compounding is enormous. It would be even better to have a student loan that had no interest accumulation during a deferral period, but we take what we can get.

he odds of you dying (except by suicide, which they won't cover anyway) are so small that such policies are cheap.

I agree, if the loan doesn't have built in life and disability insurance, make sure that you have life and disability insurance to protect the co-signer.

As for suicide, I believe that most life insurance policies actually cover suicide, but only after the policy has been in place for a year or two. I guess they assume that someone really depressed and planning suicide wouldn't be able to wait that long to collect on the policy.
 
Woah, seriously? I wish my private loan worked this way. Does yours work that way OP?

Mine says:
1)Deferment Period:
Interest will accrue but you are
not required to make payments during the Deferment
Period, unless you selected In-School Payment during
the application process. We will capitalize any and
all accrued and unpaid interest at the beginning of the
Repayment Period

+
You agree to pay interest on the principal loan amount
from the time we disburse the proceeds until the principal
balance is paid in full.
1)
Interest Calculated Daily:
We will calculate interest
on a daily basis on the outstanding principal balance
until the loan balance is paid in full. The daily interest
rate is equal to the annual interest rate in effect on that
day divided by the number of days in that calendar year.
Because we calculate interest daily, the amount of interest
you pay will vary based on the number of days between
your previous payment and your current payment

Question regarding the bolded: Does that mean that if my loan balance is 10,000.00/year then everyday the interest charge for that first year is the same because the outstanding balance won't capitalize until after 4 years, when I enter the repayment period? And the second year, after another 10,000.00 is taken out the daily interest charge will only be double?

Yes, you are correct for #1. Interest will accrue but will not capitalize until repayment period. I am thinking, so far ahead here, that once I graduate and in residency, I will refinance for slightly longer repayment and lower interest rate if possible. I apologized if, by deferment, I have created confusion. As international student, federal loans are out of my reach anyway and even if I have them, I will still want to pay off as quickly as I can.

Thanks for the compliment, but your confidence in me is misplaced, as student loans are not my area of expertise. However, since I'm here, I'll chime in. As one of my surgery attendings used to say, "I'm often wrong, but never in doubt."




I'm not very familiar with the intricacies of student loans, but I agree with a poster above, 4.85% is lower than the Federal loans available to med students, currently at 6.8%, which, incidentally, is still low by historical standards. Student loans were 12% in the 1980's. Mortgages were 7.5% in the early 2000's. So, if 4.85% is a fixed rate on a student loan , it's a great deal.

Of course, you won't have the benefits of the repayment plans such as IBR and PAYE, and PSLF, but as a foreign student, you probably wouldn't have had access to them anyway, and in any event, most students refinance and pay off the loans early anyway.

I have seen residents get loans refinanced at rates that low and lower, but those loans are a safer bet for the lender, since the borrowers have already finished med school, and often residency as well. If this is indeed a fixed rate, perhaps it's because of the co-signing, as you suggested.



The big problem in this thread is for the co-signer. It's a huge risk, and such loans often destroy families, when the borrower can't or won't pay back the loan. I realize that this is a special case, as it's for med school tuition, but there are still risks for the co-signer. You may not graduate, or get kicked out for some violation or other.

My advice to co-signers would be not to sign. For a small loan, I would recommend giving the money as a gift, rather than lending it. If you lend money to a friend you will lose the friend, as they will stop returning phone calls so as not to have to pay the loan back. People who borrow from friends or need co-signers often won't ever be able to get it to pay back the loan. So as a general rule, don't co-sign unless you can afford to pay back the loan without difficulty or regret in the event of default.

Fortunately for OP, his uncle probably won't see my post.



If I understand that question correctly, then yes. They mean that you will owe simple interest during the deferral period, but that interest won't compound during that deferral period. So yes, every year you would owe the interest for the principal, but you won't start paying interest on the interest you owe until the deferral period ends. At that point, the accumulated interest that you owe will be added to the loan, and at that point the loan will compound, i.e. you will start paying interest on the unpaid interest which has already accumulated.

Understand that all loans are subject to compound interest. However, since almost all loans have you paying off the interest you owe each month, plus some principal, you don't actually see any compounding. Most loans in which you don't pay the interest would have that interest compound from the beginning, so this feature is slightly better for you, but the deferral period is relatively short, so I don't think the financial benefit of this temporary lack of compounding is enormous. It would be even better to have a student loan that had no interest accumulation during a deferral period, but we take what we can get.



I agree, if the loan doesn't have built in life and disability insurance, make sure that you have life and disability insurance to protect the co-signer.

As for suicide, I believe that most life insurance policies actually cover suicide, but only after the policy has been in place for a year or two. I guess they assume that someone really depressed and planning suicide wouldn't be able to wait that long to collect on the policy.

You are right and I am utterly nervous about this thing, being kicked out and everything. While I am rather confident about my abilities and capabilities, no man is truly an island and anything is possible. I am beyond grateful when my uncles agreed to cosign my loan. They actually understand quite clearly what they are getting at. I actually sat them down to explain and they both have cosigned loan before. I will still buy term life insurance, just for that peaceful feeling that I have done everything in my power (including working my ass off at school) to help protect my uncles. I feel it will be irresponsible of me otherwise.
 
It sounds to me like this is a variable rate just based on what I have learned over the past few months talking with fellow classmates who are also pursuing private loan options. The lowest fixed rate I have seen is around 6.7% and the lowest variable is around 3.8% that I have seen. If, however, your interest rate is fixed, then you have one heck of a good deal.

This is usually not the case. Most all medical graduate private loans are deferrable through residency. My private loan has deferment for up to 7 years of residency and has a forgiveness clause in the case of permanent disability or death.

That is not so true. Private loans can be competitive at time and, in my situation, it is the most competitive. Your friend was not getting the best he could get and he should shop around for more loans. I did actually apply to three loans after much research to see what interests I would receive.

However, private loan is still buyer beware. As it has been mentioned to death, there are not that many repayment options for you after you graduate. As well, free money from Uncle Sam is always a good thing: your tax dollar finally at work for you.

Finally, I would also like to add that private loan companies are finicky creatures. I am with one of the largest around and they are still rather strange. You should never take what they said on their website verbatim. As well, you should always shop around with a few loan companies first after you research carefully before you jump in.
What they advertised may not be what they will end up offering you. You can have either a good or a bad surprise. So, apply to a few loans and go from there.

You would never get a mortgage from the first bank you see, so you should not do the same with such big loan either. Or, at least, I think that is what I would do.
 
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That is not so true. Private loans can be competitive at time and, in my situation, it is the most competitive. Your friend was not getting the best he could get and he should shop around for more loans. I did actually apply to three loans after much research to see what interests I would receive.

However, private loan is still buyer beware. As it has been mentioned to death, there are not that many repayment options for you after you graduate. As well, free money from Uncle Sam is always a good thing: your tax dollar finally at work for you.

Finally, I would also like to add that private loan companies are finicky creatures. I am with one of the largest around and they are still rather strange. You should never take what they said on their website verbatim. As well, you should always shop around with a few loan companies first after you research carefully before you jump in.
What they advertised may not be what they will end up offering you. You can have either a good or a bad surprise. So, apply to a few loans and go from there.

You would never get a mortgage from the first bank you see, so you should not do the same with such big loan either. Or, at least, I think that is what I would do.
Well, like I mentioned earlier, this was only my observation and I am only one person of the 6+ billion people on this earth. I will, however, stand behind my opinion that anything below 5% interest (not talking about the APR) is AMAZING. Loan companies such as Wells Fargo and Sallie Mae won't even offer that low of a fixed rate unless you qualify for their interest deductions through multiple channels available to the loan applicant. The information I have provided is coming from a compiled list of our entering class which we are ALL required to find funding through either the military or private funding companies. With that being said, every single student has struggled to get into the mid to low 6% interest rate, and that is the best interest bracket for WF and Sallie Mae and also only a very small handful of us were able to get into this bracket.

Don't take my word as law, but only as a guidance for what many students are looking at in terms of interest rates (once again, not APR). If the interest rate of the OP is truly that low, then I would run with it and sign those documents ASAP.
 
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