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Thank you all! Your input is so appreciated. Hopefully a better application season awaits me.
Irregardless of the veracity of any of this, the fact is that all funded programs are likely to get MANY applicants with all the other markers of likely success in graduate training AND with higher GRE scores. All of them can’t be offered an interview, and there needs to be some weeding out. This may be a case where GREs are not given much weight, but are given some. OP got specific feedback from a decision maker that GRE was an issue. I’d encourage her to not ingnore what is (i.e., GRE quant negatively impacted her her application) out of feelings for what should be (GRE shouldn’t matter, given all the other positive and valid predictors of success).And, I really don't think it's worth your retaking the GRE again at this point in order to raise your Quantitative score. To be honest, a program that places more emphasis on GRE scores (which, by the way, has been shown to be a poor predictor of an individual's success in graduate school) over your other merits isn't worth your time anyway.
You've clearly demonstrated some considerable strengths that will be valuable to clinical programs, so you should be proud of your accomplishments. It's really just about learning how to write and talk about your accomplishments and assets while avoiding pretentiousness.I'm seriously impressed by the caliber of clinical psychology students! It makes sense to me, given that significant funding is put into these students. Aspiring to be the whole package is tiring though... and perpetuating the myth or mirage that I am the "total package" is tedious. Still, I'll study on.![]()
Two things.It makes me a little sad that my GPA could be holding me back 🙁 I received a full ride to a state school as a senior and I bypassed the opportunity because I thought that UG prestige could be helpful to me. Of course, I have no idea how I would have done at a state school, but I have the suspicion that my GPA would have been better :/
I really really really do not want to do a masters program. I have neither the money nor the desire to pursue this, so why bother? If I'm really not going to be considered for acceptance because of my GPA, I'm fairly certain that I'll pursue nursing. Clinical psychology can miss out on me in that case 😉
I'm really glad I posted on this forum. I really appreciate all of your thoughts, they've given me some great perspective.
@futureapppsy2 I'll have been out of school for 3 years in May.
@psych.meout It's probably right for me to question if clinical psychology is actually what I want to do. I've felt an evolution in my perspective about what I want out of a career since working in community case management and research with people with psychotic disorders and other forms of SMI. I think research in itself is wonderful and I enjoy the process of it greatly, from conception to write-up. However, if I'm honest with myself, the patient population is what gets me up in the morning. Further, since working with people with psychotic disorders, I've become interested in the often significant impact medical co-morbidities can have on this population. The ability to take care of the entire person has thus become increasingly attractive to me. I work with two nurse practitioners, who both enthusiastically endorse the profession. Their skill set is highly sought after and they are compensated well. Apparently, psychiatric nursing is one of the least chosen nursing specialties, so people who are enthusiastic about it have the luxury of being cultivated within the profession.
Still, clinical psychology has been my goal of mine for a while now (not that this in and of itself is a good reason to keep pursuing it). It would allow me to specialize in the study of psychotic disorders, contribute to research, and develop some really evolved clinical skill. There's a part of me that hesitates to pursue nursing and eventually nurse practitioner work because there is little clinical supervision involved in the degree. From what I've gathered, experience and mentors are vital to building clinical skill in psychiatric nursing. It's important to me that I have an adequate clinical skill set and this may be lacking in nursing. Still, clinical psychology is enduring some growing pains, from a professional and financial standpoint. Clinical psychologists are vital, but I know that they are on the 'losing' side in terms of scope of practice as it pertains to clinical work.
Apologies if my financial considerations seem vulgar to anyone. It's not my intention to be so. Its not an immense consideration of mine moving forward, but it is a facet of the job to note.
I think you are ABSOLUTELY right to be thinking about financial considerations. Far too many people jump headlong into more and more schooling with more and more debt without thinking about how it will reasonably affect their long-term quality of life. You do NOT want to be one of those people who gets out as a psychologist with 100k+ of debt. We're not physicians and don't get paid like physicians, and it would really hurt to be stuck with a loan payment that is larger than most folk's mortgage payment. It is important to consider not just your career goals, but global quality of life.
Frankly, I tend to tell people that if you have any inkling that some other career might be equally satisfying to you, then you should definitely look hard into pursuing that, regardless of your financial situation. As far as I can tell, even the most motivated grad students who are 100% sure psych is the only career for them still have doubts at some point throughout school because it's long, hard, stressful, and not lucrative.
So not to entirely discourage you from this path, but i would look more closely into psychiatric nursing if I were you. I can tell you they are in high demand and good ones are hard to come by (and worth their weight in gold). As a nurse you're required to get continuing education, so you could always choose education that aligns more iwth what you want to learn more about, and if you do your research into which are the best programs I would hope there are some somewhere that would allow for continued quality supervision and perhaps even some involvement in research. But maybe not- I really have no idea what that path looks like. But I do know the good psych nurses I have met along the way have really stood out and made a difference. So again, not trying to entirely dissuade you. But if you would be satisfied and fulfilled as a psych nurse, you'd be valued, in demand, and making a difference, and making a decent salary a lot more quickly than if you pursued the PhD route.
Not exactly connected to OP's original question, but related- do people receiving their NP in psych receive any therapy training/experience or is it more similar to psychiatry residencies? I don't think I know any NPs who provide anything except medication management.I just wanna warn that the only problem with becoming a NP is that you need to FIRST have a BS in nursing in order to qualify for pretty much all Master's in Nursing programs. It doesn't seem like you majored in nursing in college so unfortunately you would need to take a supplementary program to get your BS in nursing FIRST before then getting your master's in nursing in order to become a nurse practitioner and psychiatric nurse. There are some programs that allow you to do both within the same program (like the nursing program at the University of Pennsylvania). However, they usually take longer and schools like Penn are very expensive and competitive. That is the only thing I'd like to make you aware of, not to discourage you, but just so you go in fully prepared.
As for your research goals, clinical programs are more likely to have faculty doing work in psychotic disorders. However, your shift in health psychology and studying a patient as a whole person could also align with faculty in counseling psych programs. Honestly, the training is nearly identical save some differences in core philosophies regarding mental health care. You are eligible for the same training opportunities and jobs so long as the program is APA-accredited and there are several fully funded counseling programs in various locations. They tend to be less competitive but honestly, that's still not saying much. It might be the difference between 6/100 vs 6/200. That's twice the likelihood but it's still 6% vs 3%. Look into counseling programs and if no one's doing work you're interested in than totally disregard this advice. However, you might be surprised.
See this thread and scroll down to myths about counseling psychology: Counseling Psychology Misinformation
Counseling psychology programs are equally competitive (one percentage point moreso than Clinical, per APA statistics cited in the above thread). People tend to mistakenly believe that counseling psychology isn't as competitive, so I'd prefer if folks would be accurate about the info they share about the field.
Counseling psychology also isn't necessarily more health psychology-focused. Our university's APA clinical psych program was health psychology focused, and our APA counseling psych program was multiculturally-focused. I was under the impression that there is a push from APA for both programs to be more health psychology-focused?
As a counseling psychologist, I had 4 semesters of statistics, so quantitative ability is equally important in both. The same shortcomings blocking the OP from clinical programs would be the same in counseling. I would definitely suggest following the advice of others to get GRE scores up, etc. for either program.
What's that now?Unfortunately, the application process is not a fair process or meritocratic.
Of interest, I see that PhD students come out of school with a median of $75,000 of debt. I knew some amount of debt, regardless of tuition remission and the benefit of a stipend, would be necessary but that still seems like a large amount of debt to me...does this happen because people simple cannot survive on a stipend? I'm a child of the recession and part of a generation steeped in student debt, so perhaps I am overly skittish about debt.