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Well after reading that there was a lot of torque problems on today's MCAT I am a little nervous since I am taking it Thursday. I understand the basic formula and some basic problems but I feel like I don't have a great grip on it. Even though I have a day I can always learn something new and was wondering if someone who understands it very well can give some tips or tricks that are good to look out for on Torque problems/concepts for test day.. Any help would be greatly appreciated. It seems to be something people don't concentrate on but it always shows up.
 
Well after reading that there was a lot of torque problems on today's MCAT I am a little nervous since I am taking it Thursday. I understand the basic formula and some basic problems but I feel like I don't have a great grip on it. Even though I have a day I can always learn something new and was wondering if someone who understands it very well can give some tips or tricks that are good to look out for on Torque problems/concepts for test day.. Any help would be greatly appreciated. It seems to be something people don't concentrate on but it always shows up.

Torque tau = r x F = r*Fsin(theta), where theta is the angle between the force and r. If it's just a simple situation like a teeter-totter with 2 masses, 1 at each end, the force is the weight of the mass, and it points straight down. So then theta would be 90 degrees.

An easy way to get these problems is to always look for the component of the force that's perpendicular to r (i.e. perpendicular to the bar or whatever that's rotating). Some ppl prefer to do these problems with lever arms, i.e. torque tau = r x F = rsin(theta) * F, but I find that unintuitive.

Anyway, once you've figured out the component of the force that's relevant to generation of torque, now you just have to figure out direction. Since torque is a cross product, you can use the R-hand rule to figure out the direction of the torque, and then assign + to one direction and - to another direction, then sum up all the torques. OR, you could just kind of use intuition about which end is going up, which end is going down (i.e. which way the thing ends up rotating). Then set one set of torques = other set of torques. This way obviates the need to assign direction, since you're just setting one set equal to the other set.

The other thing to keep in mind is around what point the bar or lever or whatever is rotating. Once you choose a point of rotation, remember that r is the distance to that pt from the pt where the force is exerted. If a force is exerted on the pt that you chose as your point of rotation, you get to ignore that when considering the torque.

I don't know what else to say about torque. That much knowledge has gotten me through a lot of problems. Basically it's just that one equation. It's helpful if you understand the cross product and how the R-hand rule applies to that, but I don't think it's a big deal or anything.
 
Yeah thanks a lot. I understand how to use the right hand rule but let's say that you find the torque to be out of the page what does that really mean? Is it negative, positive? (obviously it depends on the situation).
 
Yeah thanks a lot. I understand how to use the right hand rule but let's say that you find the torque to be out of the page what does that really mean? Is it negative, positive? (obviously it depends on the situation).

Well it's the direction of the torque. The signs are arbitrary as long as you keep one sign for out of the page and use the other sign for into the page. The whole point is that the net torque is equal to the vector sum of all the individual torques. So it's the vector sum of all the out of the pages and all of the into the page torques. So if I have two torques, each 20 N m coming out of the page, and three torques each of 15 N m going into the page, my net torque would be a torque of 5 N m going into the page. If I had assigned signs instead, so that out of the page was positive and into the page was negative, that would be 20+20-15-15-15=-5 and so since it's negative 5 it's 5 N m going into the page. If I had done it the other way, so that out of the page is negative and into the page is positive, that would be -20-20+15+15+15=5 so since it's positive 5 it's 5 N m going into the page.

Now the physical meaning of the direction of torque is a little tricky. To understand it, you have to know that torque is the rate of change of angular momentum. So imagine you're an ice skater and you're spinning around on your skate. Your angular momentum vector is either straight up or straight down depending on which direction you're spinning. Anyway, but before you started spinning, your angular momentum was 0, right? because you weren't moving. then you used your muscles to exert a force around your pivot skate, which is a torque. so now you have a net torque which will cause your angular momentum to increase in the direction of that torque. once you stop exerting that force, you have no net torque so you spin "freely" and your angular momentum is "constant." i put those in quotations because technically there's friction so you'll start to slow down a little, but that's the idea.

so in order to start spinning an object, you have to apply a net torque, which results in an increase in your angular momentum. the direction of torque corresponds to the direction that angular momentum changes.

hope it helps
 
sleepy thanks again like always...I was always confused on how they knew it was either clockwise or counter but this makes complete sense.. I am setting out my own rules that out of the page is positive and into the page negative so I won't worry about it anymore! I believe this will be my last question since my test is tomorrow haha.. peace
 
sleepy thanks again like always...I was always confused on how they knew it was either clockwise or counter but this makes complete sense.. I am setting out my own rules that out of the page is positive and into the page negative so I won't worry about it anymore! I believe this will be my last question since my test is tomorrow haha.. peace

no problem! good luck tomorrow!
 
I'm also having some problems with torque, particularly with how they relate to simple machines.
I was wondering, does anyone have a link to some online resource which can help me work through Torque problems at examrkers 1001 level difficulty?
 
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