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The second is the tediousness involved in dealing with non-medical/social work related issues that is universal in all of medicine, but is especially heavy in psych. This problem though can be leveraged in some ways, because in many cases the interdisciplinary nature of psychiatry also represents an opportunity to effect macroscopic changes on a social level that transcends the normal boundaries of medical practice. So if that kind of thing is your thing, then psychiatry is unique in its ability to give you these venues for exploration.
As someone who has interests in philosophy, psychology and politics this piqued my curiosity.
However, I can't imagine how such an effect can be made by a psychiatrist. Can anyone elaborate on this?
 
Quoted from http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=10960263&postcount=32.

As someone who has interests in philosophy, psychology and politics this piqued my curiosity.
However, I can't imagine how such an effect can be made by a psychiatrist. Can anyone elaborate on this?

I think that psychiatry, by putting us in closer contact with some of these psychosocial issues, often drives many motivated psychiatrists to take action to change systems of care, and work in settings such as community mental health agencies where more social advocacy in housing and employment and such issues might happen.
 
Quoted from http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=10960263&postcount=32.

As someone who has interests in philosophy, psychology and politics this piqued my curiosity.
However, I can't imagine how such an effect can be made by a psychiatrist. Can anyone elaborate on this?

Even on a smaller scale than OPD suggested, it is common for a psychiatrist to get involved in deciding if this patient needs a payee, needs a different level of supervised living, needs a case manager, etc. Even at the Psych ER. All these things are typically beyond the "usual medical interaction" at the PCP office, and certainly beyond what most ER docs get into. It's just that so often these psycho-social issues are at the heart of why the pt is presenting today, so the need and the opportunity are right in our faces. For the ER doc, she might know that poverty and possible abuse at home may be underlying the ultimate cause for today's presentation, but it is not explicitly stated and the opportunity to change those issues is less directly accessible.

People come into the psych ER stating, "the stress and work and the stress at home go to the point that I was overwhelmed and I had a meltdown. I don't know if it was a "panic attack" or not, but I certainly lost it." At the medical ER, they present complaining of "I've had a headache for 3 days that won't stop." They might be due to the exact same underlying problems, but patients presenting to the psych ER expect the psychiatrist to think about such things, and they often present them right up front. At the medical ER, not so much.

When I hear from docs in other fields who are switching to psych, or just PCP's talking about the frustrations in their practice, it is these psycho-social issues that drive the conversation. "I know these social issues are creating the problems (or preventing their resolution) but I can't do anything about it in 7 minutes in my office."

My own PCP complains about this (using up 5 of the 7 minutes of MY appt), and when I suggest having the pt return in 2 weeks for a "follow-up" in which you expressly discuss these related issues, he says, "Yeah, I guess I could do that." When he realizes I'm not going to tell him to refer them all to me, he tells me to get my labs done again in 3 months and "keep up the good work," and walks out.
 
Quoted from http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=10960263&postcount=32.

As someone who has interests in philosophy, psychology and politics this piqued my curiosity.
However, I can't imagine how such an effect can be made by a psychiatrist. Can anyone elaborate on this?

I think the OP (Sluox) was referring to the use of the multidisciplinary team. Meaning we use social workers, occupational therapists, others, in addition to our own individual interventions (at least in certain settings). This means rather than just prescribing a pill for someone's back pain (or depression), we might be able to get them connected with a shelter, General relief (welfare), occupational therapy/voc rehab, psychotherapy, other skills that'll increase their ability to deal with life stressors. So in a way addressing the problems at multiple levels. Not a lot of other specialties are as connected with these resources, as medicine is increasingly reductionistic (despite lip service to the contrary). I was just talking yesterday with a good friend of mine, an internist/hospitalist, where he remarked how those with supportive families are less likely to return quickly for re-admission, but in general hospitals push people out the door without proper services in place to artificially keep down their #'s for length of stay. The consequence is more frequent readmissions, increasing total admission days per year.
 
I would also add the perspective that problems (any medical problem, potentially) can have ripple effects throughout a community. Others (family, friends) may be marshalled to support, but get burnt out over time if there's no improvement. Depressed or otherwise impaired people can lose their job. Making these people more functional can sometimes revitalize their social network (make others more encouraged to help the individual), or earn on their own. So good treatment can have a ripple effect throughout the psychosocial system, potentially. I think this is true for all medical treatment, though we may be the only ones to recognize it.

I would argue that this should in fact be the goal of treatment, the idea of restoring or encouraging functionality and engagement, rather than enabling isolation, "permanent" disability, and avoidance.
 
My original thought was more along the lines of OldPsychDoc in that psychiatrists are uniquely positioned to work in policy, mental health services work, advocacy, etc. that's not traditionally thought of as part of physician's duty. But Nitemagi's point is also an excellent one--by working with a multidisciplinary team, a great psychiatrist can often affect a family, a community, and a system by providing a framework in which optimal care is carried out.

I'm glad my points were useful and thought provoking.
 
Thanks everyone for your replies.

I never tought that a psychiatrist could approach a patient so holistically and make a change through direcly changing policies and/or providing model frameworks for others to emulate.

It seems that psychiatry is not something less than "regular medicine" as some suppose (looks like psychiatry is the least understood medical speciality) but actually something more. If one acts on this potential, of course.
 
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