Managing codes and traumas in the department

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I'm a R1, but we are going through ACLS and PALS now which means each of us has to be the megacode leader. Today, I was the leader and I started out by saying, "Ok, start CPR, ventilate the patient, put them on the monitor." And then I started analyzing the rhythm. Before I could say anything, one of the other interns told the med person to draw up epi. Then, I'm trying to tell the compressions person to push harder and faster because they weren't doing it right. Meanwhile, the other R1 tells the monitor person to charge it for defibrillation. WTF?!? I'm the leader. It just made everything fall apart. The epi got pushed without me knowing it. 2 people would've been shocked because he reached over and pushed the button without clearing everyone. I had no idea what was even going on with my own team.

I'm sure this happens in real life. How do you take control of the situation more effectively?
 
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Usually in the community you're the only doc there. Sometimes I've had codes with cardiologists, trauma surgeons, etc. there, and I really don't get offended when we're both giving orders.

I'm happy to let other people take over if they want, unless the patient is under my care and I'm directly responsible.
 
So first off, that dude is totally out of line. One person is calling for meds, one person is running the code, one person is the team leader.

For that reason, when I run a code, I make everyone aware of everyone's role. I actually go through and say, "Okay I'm running the code, Joe you're the airway person, John and Jack you're on compressions, Jill you're ready for a crash central line if we need it, Bob and Suzy you're my nurses so I want Bob drawing meds and Suzy watching the clock and telling me every two minutes, and Dr. X is the attending supervising." I've had a lot of the nurses tell me it helps them, and it also lets everyone know who is the team leader and who they should be reporting to.
 
Whenever possible, assigning roles prior to starting (such as when the patient isn't even in the department yet) helps. As for things falling apart half way through and people randomly shouting out orders, that is always a challenge to deal with. Speaking loudly, clearly and assertively goes a long way. One of my seniors once gave me a good technique that you can use if you feel you are losing control of the situation. Ask loudly, but without shouting:

"WHO IS RUNNING THIS?"

Usually no one, even the people who were trying to give orders a second ago, will actually say anything and there will be a couple of seconds of silence. Then you say:

"I am running this. Everyone else, please quiet." And then go on with your orders.

And in the unlikely event that someone steps forward, by all means, hand over the code to them. Also, if there are too many people in the room, point out each of the extras and say "Could you please stand just outside the door in case we need you". This way it both gets them out of the way and they don't feel like they are getting kicked out.
 
I routinely kick people out of the room and point "you, bag the pt" " you start compressions" "you draw up epi" "you start recording". At first people think your being a dick. After a while they realize your organization and direct leadership saves lives. If your in charge, speak loudly, firmly and authoritatively. You'll get there don't worry.
 
I routinely kick people out of the room and point "you, bag the pt" " you start compressions" "you draw up epi" "you start recording". At first people think your being a dick. After a while they realize your organization and direct leadership saves lives. If your in charge, speak loudly, firmly and authoritatively. You'll get there don't worry.

I used to hate having to do this, thinking that "teamwork" was some ethereal, cohesive thing that ... whatever.

Whatever.

Your situation as an R1 doing sims is kinda different, where everyone wants to "show that they're one-step ahead of you". Sure, that's easy when you're not on-the-spot. Put 'em in their place. There's only one person running the code. Period.

Period.
 
I routinely kick people out of the room and point "you, bag the pt" " you start compressions" "you draw up epi" "you start recording". At first people think your being a dick. After a while they realize your organization and direct leadership saves lives. If your in charge, speak loudly, firmly and authoritatively. You'll get there don't worry.

Using names goes a long way too.
 
Using names goes a long way too.

This is the most undervalued technique and one of the most profound things I learned in residency, the medicine included.

If you want something to happen, using a name makes an immense difference because it eliminates the bystander effect.

In codes, it makes you look like a stat and the nurses will be way more helpful for the routine stuff on every other shift if they know you are a baller
 
Didn't feel like typing individual nurses, RTs and techs names. I always use names. Thought would be obvious, my mistake.

...which leads to the worst nonsense ever when you have to respond to floor codes as an ICU resident and you don't know anyone's name, the floor nurses don't know how to run a code, and the surgery residents try to start running things.

not that this ever happens, hahaaaa...

in "real life", in my case community practice, codes are usually pretty drama free. you know everyone's name, you're the only doc unless a partner who's also on comes by. the nurses know what to do. one charts, one does meds, and there are 1-2 others doing IV's, helping you, etc. an RT is there to get your airway things and bag. as far as helping out anther doc - i have at times done a cardiac US for a partner or helped pull things up in the EMR, etc. (usually medics have done 80% of the ACLS protocol anyway...)
 
...which leads to the worst nonsense ever when you have to respond to floor codes as an ICU resident and you don't know anyone's name, the floor nurses don't know how to run a code, and the surgery residents try to start running things.

not that this ever happens, hahaaaa...

in "real life", in my case community practice, codes are usually pretty drama free. you know everyone's name, you're the only doc unless a partner who's also on comes by. the nurses know what to do. one charts, one does meds, and there are 1-2 others doing IV's, helping you, etc. an RT is there to get your airway things and bag. as far as helping out anther doc - i have at times done a cardiac US for a partner or helped pull things up in the EMR, etc. (usually medics have done 80% of the ACLS protocol anyway...)

When a Code Turns Into a Chaotic Goat Rodeo

I agree, La Gringa. In the community setting the players are usually very well known. You walk into the room and it's expected you will run the code, because that last 50 codes you walked into, you captained. Having someone else competent come in and take over the code, ie, cards, ICU or trauma attending would actually be a blessing (been there, done that) and would free you up to do other things, see the next code, or clear out a constipated ED in need of urgent catharsis. Generally this doesn't happen though, because other docs have their own work to do and are more than happy to let you earn your paycheck. Other attendings generally aren't going to have any desire to come to your ED to take over your codes any more than you will have any desire to run to the gyn floor to help out with pelvics or run to the ICU to help out with death pronunciations. This is opposed to a couple of interns jockying over rank. Don't worry, you'll get more than enough "codes."

In an academic setting, where no one knows who's who, or who's capable of what, including sometimes those trying to captain the ship themselves, is where things can quickly descend into a stage 4 goat rodeo.

In such a setting, walk in the room and ask loudly, "Who's running this code?" If someone (competent appearing) claims to be, stand back, let them have at it and help out with lines, CPR, bagging, and other supporting tasks. If no one steps up (and you feel ready to step up) say loudly, "I am," and run the code like you know what you are doing. Ideally that means much delegating and not getting lost yourself in every little menial task. Don't try to run the code and do all of the procedures, too. Otherwise you lose the big picture and the ABCs can get scrambled.

You're doing good out there. Keep up the good work.





(I do sincerely apologize if any goats, goat herders, goat advocates, goats-milk salesmen, goat jockeys, or members of the goat rodeo industry were offended by this post.)
 
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