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[jolop]

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Hi, I'm thinking about applying to a psyd program one day. but I just want to make sure I know what I'm getting into in terms of time. To my understanding most programs are 4 years of school and one year internship, I would want to practice in Maryland, can someone please explain the process starting from after the 4 years of school? I'm hearing about a pre doctoral internship and post doctoral internship,and I don't know what any of this stuff means, thank you so much for your time.

 

[erg923]

There is a sticky at the top of the forum. You should read the threads in there.

 

[jolop]

I did, I don't see any threads discussing this question....

 

[AcronymAllergy]

As erg mentioned, if you search the forums, you should be able to find quite a bit of information on this general topic. Quick-and-dirty summary, though:

1) You complete your graduate program (anywhere from 4-7+ years with an average of 5 or 6)
2) In the context of completing your graduate program, you must finish a one-year predoctoral internship somewhere other than your degree-granting university; most people do this during their last year of graduate training, but some return to grad school afterward if they weren't able to finish their dissertation
3) After completing your grad program, you then can either immediately sit for the EPPP and apply for licensure, or you have to complete approximately one year of supervised practice under a licensed provider, depending on the state

 

[jolop]

Is the pre doctoral internship what programs call clinical that starts in the second year?

 

[Doctor Eliza]

Is the pre doctoral internship what programs call clinical that starts in the second year?

No, that is usually called practicum. Predoctoral internship is also often called just internship. It is usually the last year of your program. There is a formal application process and it often requires relocating again.

Dr. E

 

[erg923]

Is the pre doctoral internship what programs call clinical that starts in the second year?

See here for the joyous process. 😉
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=925875

 

[jolop]

No, that is usually called practicum. Predoctoral internship is also often called just internship. It is usually the last year of your program. There is a formal application process and it often requires relocating again.

Dr. E

Blegh! I thought that was post-doctorate internship! I'm so confused.....is it like this( for a classic psyd program): in the second year through the 4th you work on courses and practicum then the 5th year is pre doctorate internship and the following year you need another internship called a post doctorate internship!?

 

[erg923]

some psy.d programs start practicum in second semester of first year. Also, some programs (even some psy.d programs) are 5 years and then the internship. After internship, you will need to obtain a post-doc position (whether formal training program, often called a "fellowship" or just a job) where further supervision of your clinical services is provided. Yes, its alot of training, alot of hoop jumping, etc

 

[jolop]

thanks for the info.....wow, it's a pretty intense route to become a psychologist......

 

[jolop]

Hi, i've been asking this question around and I keep getting different answers and I can really use some help....
I'm about to apply to a psyd program they have their curriculum set up as follows
1st year: classes
2nd year: classes and practicum
3rd year:classes and practicum
4th year: classes and practicum
5th year:internship

now I can't seem to get a clear answer here.....some people are telling me 5th year is a pre doctoral internship but you still require a 6th year post doctorate internship....while others are telling me after that 5th year internship i can take the appp and start practicing as soon as i pass, and the 6th year is optional if you wan't to specialize or something. Please help me out here, thanks a lot.

 

[erg923]

Hi, i've been asking this question around and I keep getting different answers and I can really use some help....
I'm about to apply to a psyd program they have their curriculum set up as follows
1st year: classes
2nd year: classes and practicum
3rd year:classes and practicum
4th year: classes and practicum
5th year:internship

now I can't seem to get a clear answer here.....some people are telling me 5th year is a pre doctoral internship but you still require a 6th year post doctorate internship....while others are telling me after that 5th year internship i can take the appp and start practicing as soon as i pass, and the 6th year is optional if you wan't to specialize or something. Please help me out here, thanks a lot.

There is no clear answer. It varies by program, student needs/readiness, dissertation status, goals, and other variables. Is that clear enough?

 

[jolop]

Thanks for you're answers, I'm on dhmh.maryland.gov trying to figure out if Maryland requires that second internship, I can't seem to find that info anywhere, does anyone know? again thanks a lot

 

[erg923]

Yes. "A post-doctoral supervised experience shall be completed if an applicant does not have 3,250 hours of pre-doctoral supervised experience."

 

[jolop]

is 3,250 hours a year and the post doctorate is only if you don't do that full year? again erg thanks a lot for your help and patience.

 

[erg923]

is 3,250 hours a year and the post doctorate is only if you don't do that full year? again erg thanks a lot for your help and patience.

It means you have to accrue that many hours of clinical experience prior to receiving the Psy.d or Ph.D. Since you get 2000 hours during internship year, that means that you will have had to accrued 1250 hours during grad school.

 

[jolop]

got it....so that's do-able no? with internship and practicum can i hit 3,250 and not need to do post doc?

 

[AcronymAllergy]

Mod note: Merging these two threads, as the question asked is essentially identical.

 

[erg923]

got it....so that's do-able no? with internship and practicum can i hit 3,250 and not need to do post doc?

Yes, but i warned you against thinking that means you finsih practicum and then get licensed,no? EPPP requires months of study to pass and in my experience, you will not get home from 9 hours of clinical work and want study until you go to bed.

 

[JeyRo]

Yes, but i warned you against thinking that means you finsih practicum and then get licensed,no? EPPP requires months of study to pass and in my experience, you will not get home from 9 hours of clinical work and want study until you go to bed.

Didn't I have to do something like 3000 hours of predoc and THEN 3000 hours of postdoc in order to get licensed in California (maybe it was 1500/1500)? I forgot. I just remember that in my case it was for all practical purposes incredibly difficult to get successfully licensed in California without taking a formal fellowship to get your postdoc hours. I'm sure it must be different in Maryland.

And for the purposes of the EPPP, it was not possible to study for the EPPP and do my postdoc duties at the same time. I basically took 4 months working part time and basically studying full time to pass it. And then there are those jurisprudence / supplementary exams they sometimes pile on yah....

 

[becomethelight]

Just to clarify, the licensure laws in Maryland state that you can sit for the licensure exam upon receipt of the doctorate, provided you meet the requirements. This was changed fairly recently. The regs used to be that you had to accrue a certain number of hours after completion of the doctoral degree.

 

[becomethelight]

But, I think it's putting the cart way, way, WAY before the horse to think about when you can sit for licensure before even starting grad school. One step at a time.

 

[ResearchGirlie]

But, I think it's putting the cart way, way, WAY before the horse to think about when you can sit for licensure before even starting grad school. One step at a time.

Definitely. If you're already trying to figure out how to get by without a post-doc I'd think that the entire process is going to be very difficult.

 

[paramour]

got it....so that's do-able no? with internship and practicum can i hit 3,250 and not need to do post doc?

Yes, but i warned you against thinking that means you finsih practicum and then get licensed,no? EPPP requires months of study to pass and in my experience, you will not get home from 9 hours of clinical work and want study until you go to bed.

Correction: It may be possible depending on your program. There are many students in my program who would not hit that mark.