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Did this policy get the go yet? Does anybody have relevant sources I could read.

If I understand correctly, Mass. is making (has made) it a requirement to purchase health insurance. Monthly premium is $200-250, which isn't ALL that cheap. How is EVERYBODY going to be able to pay for this? And by everybody, I am excluding those who will receive some kind of subsidized rate. Anybody have ideas on this?
 
$200/mo for health insurance sounds pretty darn cheap to me.

The income limit for subsidized plans are pretty high, I believe.
check out the Health Care for All website--they shouldhave a lot of information about it.


Did this policy get the go yet? Does anybody have relevant sources I could read.

If I understand correctly, Mass. is making (has made) it a requirement to purchase health insurance. Monthly premium is $200-250, which isn't ALL that cheap. How is EVERYBODY going to be able to pay for this? And by everybody, I am excluding those who will receive some kind of subsidized rate. Anybody have ideas on this?
 
They're actually saying it may cost more than that now for those people who are at 100-300% of the poverty level. I don't think the figures are out yet. I'm pretty sure that people who are below the poverty level don't have to pay anything, not even deductibles. And those people who dont purchase insurance will be getting fined at about 50% of what their healthcare insurance would cost, says some Boston globe article.
It's about time people start realizing that our healthcare system blows. How does purchasing health insurance through your employer make any sense at all??? I make 2 times as much money as my mother and she pays about 4 times as much for health insurance than I do.. I hold the same position as my boyfriend but at another employer and pay half as much as he does. Is their health insurance better??? No.. The system makes no sense. And my mother who really can't afford what shes paying for health insurance probably needs it the most and was just talking to me about dropping it but luckily MA laws forbid that now!
 
They're actually saying it may cost more than that now for those people who are at 100-300% of the poverty level. I don't think the figures are out yet. I'm pretty sure that people who are below the poverty level don't have to pay anything, not even deductibles. And those people who dont purchase insurance will be getting fined at about 50% of what their healthcare insurance would cost, says some Boston globe article.
It's about time people start realizing that our healthcare system blows. How does purchasing health insurance through your employer make any sense at all??? I make 2 times as much money as my mother and she pays about 4 times as much for health insurance than I do.. I hold the same position as my boyfriend but at another employer and pay half as much as he does. Is their health insurance better??? No.. The system makes no sense. And my mother who really can't afford what shes paying for health insurance probably needs it the most and was just talking to me about dropping it but luckily MA laws forbid that now!

I hear you. I think we need some SERIOUS reforms in the United States health care system. First off, we need to get rid of these For-profit private insurance companies and replace them with non-profit government mandated insurance companies. That way we could cut down on a huge portion of medical care costs.

AMC, one general concern that people have is that they won't be able to afford paying for the insurance. A lot of people are already up to their neck in costs (car payment, house, etc) that another costs will just put them in an even worse financial situation.
 
Yeah.. I'm not sure MA has the best solution to this problem but its a decent start... I'm all for universal health insurance through the government... hike up my taxes.. if we're not purchasing health insurance through our employer, that savings makes up for the tax increase and more money can be spent on actual healthcare cuz theres none of this competition and advertising crap thats just wasting away our precious money.
 
Its really hard to afford an extra 200-300 a month when you are at 100-300% of the federal poverty level. I agree that health care through the employer is a backwards idea, but this is no solution either. I don't see how they expect poor people to pay (100-300% of the pov. level is still pretty bad off in my book, especially in a city like Boston.) I know I couldn't afford it.
 
I hear you. I think we need some SERIOUS reforms in the United States health care system. First off, we need to get rid of these For-profit private insurance companies and replace them with non-profit government mandated insurance companies. That way we could cut down on a huge portion of medical care costs.

When does getting the government involved ever save money? The only thing spending will decrease for if that happens is physicians' salaries. God help us all.
 
When does getting the government involved ever save money? The only thing spending will decrease for if that happens is physicians' salaries. God help us all.

Lol...I think it could happen if there are large movements towards it. Plus, a good politician (that could push for something like this) does come across once every couple of decades. 😉
 
Lol...I think it could happen if there are large movements towards it. Plus, a good politician (that could push for something like this) does come across once every couple of decades. 😉
The initial idea may be good, but the actual execution is normally (or rapidly becomes) flawed.
 
I'm just curious-

For those who know more about this MA health insurance law, what happens to the people who have pre-existing medical conditions? For example, my brother has a non-life threatening but chronic medical condition, and no company in PA was willing to insure him. It turned out that the state has some "deal" where you can get high-risk medical insurance... for $1,000/mo 😱 . It should go without saying that most people don't have that kind of money.

Anyway, what about in MA? Do medical insurance companies there have to take you no matter what? Or, if not, what do the uninsurable people with pre-existing medical conditions do???
 
Please excuse the long post, but here is a National Review article explaining and defending the reforms. Mr. Haislmaier is a member of the Heritage Foundation, which was instrumental in crafting the policy.

Mitt’s Fit - Romney’s health plan is no sop to socialism.
Edumund F. Haislmaier
January 27, 2006

In "Unhealthy in Massachusetts" (NRO, 1/26) Sally Pipes roundly trashes Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney's health plan. However, her "just say no" critique reveals a near complete misunderstanding of the governor's innovative approach.

In reality, those who want to create a consumer-based health system and deregulate health insurance should view Romney's plan as one of the most promising strategies out there. I know, because I've been part of the Heritage Foundation team advising the governor and his staff on the design, which builds on some of my work with officials in other states.

The overall design has two basic parts: reforming the state's insurance market structure and reforming its uncompensated-care payment system.

Over the past 70 years a combination of industry practices and federal and state government regulations have produced a fragmented, balkanized health-insurance market, one with different regulations and practices in the large-group, small-group, and non-group submarkets.

The solution offered by the Left has been to standardize coverage and benefits. In practice, that ends up looking like Henry Ford's auto market — only one or two car models (all painted black), but obtainable from lots of independent dealers.

The Romney approach is the inverse of the Henry Ford model. Call it the "CarMax" model — lots of different kinds of cars to choose from, all obtainable through one giant dealership.

The basic insight behind a state health-insurance exchange is that markets sometimes work more efficiently and effectively with a single administrative structure to facilitate diverse economic activity. That's exactly what stock exchanges do for the buying and selling of securities. Like a stock or commodity exchange, Romney's health-insurance exchange would be a clearinghouse but never a product regulator.

The exchange would be a single place where a small employer could send its workers to buy coverage, paid for with a defined contribution from the employer. For workers, it would be a "marketplace" in which to choose the plans that best suited them and which they could keep as they moved from job to job. Furthermore, the exchange is designed to ensure that premium payments by both employers and workers can be made on a pre-tax basis.

Such an exchange offers numerous advantages. For example, a two-earner couple could combine contributions from their respective employers to buy and keep the plan they want, instead of being forced to choose one employer's plan while forgoing the subsidy offered by the other employer. Similarly, a worker with two part-time jobs could combine pro-rated contributions from each employer to buy coverage, while the government would have a single place to send subsidies for those who need extra help.

In short, the exchange is designed to work around the limitations of current federal law to achieve, in a single state, the basic objectives of conservative health reform — consumer choice of plans, true coverage portability, and the functional equivalent of individual health-insurance tax credits to help pay for coverage.

Also, contrary to Pipes's assertion, the state government wouldn't design the coverage offered through the exchange. Rather, the exchange would be open to any willing insurer interested in offering a plan that complies with Massachusetts' law. While his proposal does provide some regulatory flexibility to enable insurers to offer cheaper plans through the exchange, Romney knew from the start he didn't have the votes for a full repeal of Massachusetts's community rating and mandated-benefit laws. In a less-liberal-dominated state, more deregulation would certainly be possible.

Costing Taxpayers Less
Where Romney really builds on the concept of a state-insurance exchange is in the Medicaid reforms he included his proposal. His administration found that the reason some 100,000 Medicaid eligible residents were not enrolled wasn't because they "simply hadn't made the effort." Rather, it was because hospitals often got paid better rates by the state's uncompensated care pool than by Medicaid for treating those patients. Thus they had an incentive not to enroll those individuals in Medicaid when they showed up in emergency rooms. Of course, the total cost to taxpayers would actually be much less if they were enrolled in Medicaid, and thus getting most of their care in clinics and doctors offices instead of hospitals.

The Romney administration fixed that by putting Medicaid eligibility determinations back in the hands of the state Medicaid program. Then they seized on the opportunity presented by the impending (June 2006) expiration of the state's Medicaid waiver, to tackle covering uninsured individuals who are ineligible for Medicaid. That waiver currently pumps $385 million a year in Federal Medicaid money into the state's uncompensated care pool, which in turn pays it out to hospitals treating the uninsured. But the Feds told the state that they wouldn't approve a waiver extension absent a state plan to achieve better results with the money.

Romney's solution was to propose converting what is really a "hospital safety net" into premium assistance for the low-income (but not Medicaid eligible) uninsured. Of course, if you're going to now subsidize thousands of people, instead of just a handful of hospitals, having a one-stop-shop health-insurance exchange sure makes for an administratively simpler and cheaper way to match up all the various combinations of people, plans and payments. It also means that as those folks work their way up the income ladder and lose the subsidies, they still have portable health insurance coverage. Federal Medicaid officials liked the approach.

As Tip O'Neill used to say, "All politics is local," and faced with the choice of Romney's plan versus losing a big chunk of federal money, savvier Massachusetts Democrats lined up behind their Republican governor's proposal — albeit, with varying degrees of enthusiasm.

Flirting with Libertarians in Massachusetts
Finally, there is the element of Romney's proposal that gives Pipes's and many other conservatives the most trouble — the "personal responsibility" provisions, or what could be called an individual mandate to buy health insurance. Romney's argument is that mandating coverage in the currently fragmented and overly expensive insurance market would be wrong and counterproductive. But, if the market is reorganized to make coverage universally available and portable, deregulated at least enough to make it affordable for the middle class, and subsidized enough to make it affordable for the low-income, then there are no more reasonable excuses for anyone not buying health insurance.

Furthermore, to allow people to go without health insurance, and then when they do fall ill expect someone else to pay the tab for their treatment is a de facto mandate on providers and taxpayers. Romney proposes to take that option off the table, leaving only two choices: Either buy insurance or pay for your own care. Not an unreasonable position, and one that is clearly consistent with conservative values.

But beyond that, the Romney administration got downright Libertarian in figuring how to make it work. Under Romney's plan anyone opting to not buy insurance would be required to deposit $10,000 in an (interest-bearing) escrow account with the state. If they didn't pay their medical bills, the providers stuck with their bad debts could apply for that money. But what if they won't buy insurance and refuse to put $10,000 in escrow with the state? The answer is that they aren't allowed to claim the personal exemption tax-break on their state income tax, and any tax refunds due them are deposited into the escrow account until the $10,000 limit is reached.

Having first proposed the creation of more and better health-insurance choices and more rational and efficient subsidies, Romney essentially says, "You will be free to choose, but your choices will have consequences."

A conference committee of the Massachusetts legislature is now hammering out the details of the final legislation. Given that Massachusetts has a legislature in which Democrats outnumber Republicans by about five to one, the fact that Romney's proposal has gotten this far is itself a testament to the power of good ideas — as well as to the political skills of one particular governor and his team.
 
$200-300 month is only for people who don't have their health insurance subsidized by the state, if you are below 300% of FPL (with kids) you get assistance.

Its really hard to afford an extra 200-300 a month when you are at 100-300% of the federal poverty level. I agree that health care through the employer is a backwards idea, but this is no solution either. I don't see how they expect poor people to pay (100-300% of the pov. level is still pretty bad off in my book, especially in a city like Boston.) I know I couldn't afford it.
 
They're actually saying it may cost more than that now for those people who are at 100-300% of the poverty level. I don't think the figures are out yet. I'm pretty sure that people who are below the poverty level don't have to pay anything, not even deductibles. And those people who dont purchase insurance will be getting fined at about 50% of what their healthcare insurance would cost, says some Boston globe article.
It's about time people start realizing that our healthcare system blows. How does purchasing health insurance through your employer make any sense at all??? I make 2 times as much money as my mother and she pays about 4 times as much for health insurance than I do.. I hold the same position as my boyfriend but at another employer and pay half as much as he does. Is their health insurance better??? No.. The system makes no sense. And my mother who really can't afford what shes paying for health insurance probably needs it the most and was just talking to me about dropping it but luckily MA laws forbid that now!

People don't purchase insurance through their employer, technically. It's really a benefit, and how much an individual has to add to that is based on the employer. Two people could have comparable insurance from their employer, but how much they pay differs based on what that employer chooses to do.
Employer based insurance is actually a very innovative idea because it keeps consumers from feeling major premium changes when people have an unexpected huge health care bill. If you get in a car accident, your insurance company raises your premium. Health insurance operates the same way, spreading the risk of catastrophic costs among many people in the pool. If risk isn't spread among people, it isn't called insurance anymore.

Employers have a lot of leverage in purchasing insurance for a large group because insurance companies have to compete with lower costs to enroll a big group of employees into their plan.

I agree that there needs to be huge reforms, but realistically we can't eliminate for-profit insurance companies--take the Clinton plan for example. Small health insurance companies threw everything they had to fight it because they had everything to lose. From a political perspective, it would be impossible to implement only non-profit or government agencies. Really, the goal is to work with the current system.

I'm not sure Massachusetts will pan out well because requiring individuals to buy insurance doesn't necessarily mean that everyone has good health coverage, since many people will buy the cheapest, most minimal plan.

I think California looks promising, even though I'm not a Schwarzenegger fan. I actually like the idea of rerouting money from healthcare providers in order to increase Medicaid reimbursement rates---the only people who lose a little are people who don't take Medicaid patients. Doctors who don't take Medicaid patients might be overpaid anyway. And believe it or not, there are some doctors who are overpaid. I don't think its a major sacrifice--I like to think that none of us are getting into it for the money.

I'd personally like to see more balanced salaries among specialities, but that's my own thing.
 
When does getting the government involved ever save money?
Actually, overhead for HMO's and private insurers are something on the order of five times higher than overhead on Medicare. God knows what privates spend on marketing alone.

The only thing spending will decrease for if that happens is physicians' salaries.
Physician salaries will go down, absolutely.
 
I'm just curious-

For those who know more about this MA health insurance law, what happens to the people who have pre-existing medical conditions? For example, my brother has a non-life threatening but chronic medical condition, and no company in PA was willing to insure him. It turned out that the state has some "deal" where you can get high-risk medical insurance... for $1,000/mo 😱 . It should go without saying that most people don't have that kind of money.

Anyway, what about in MA? Do medical insurance companies there have to take you no matter what? Or, if not, what do the uninsurable people with pre-existing medical conditions do???

I am really curious about this. Do high risk individuals have to pay more out of pocket or is there a high risk pool set aside for these individuals?
 
Government sucks. The last thing I want to do is become a slave to some system invented by our corrupt bastard politicians. They're going to have to recall the army from Iraq and have them hold guns to my head, because I have no intention of becoming a slave.
 
Government sucks. The last thing I want to do is become a slave to some system invented by our corrupt bastard politicians. They're going to have to recall the army from Iraq and have them hold guns to my head, because I have no intention of becoming a slave.

Well the system is set up so if you have employer based insurance you don't even need to deal with the government. It is only the uninsured and unemployed below 300% of the poverty line who have to deal with the government. I think what the government is doing is actually pretty efficient in terms of cutting down on administerative costs. They are forming a Connector which allows people to find affordable health insurance plans. Of course, it is probably going to be like dealing with the DMV, but they COULD make it painless. The gem of this system is that it is individual mandate, where people are given the responsibility to obtain insurance coverage, and only the low income, unemployed could receive (and have to deal with) the government.
 
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