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I am wondering how those of you who are applying and those of you have gotten in, feel about pursuing a masters degree. Also I would appreciate any suggestions on which schools have good programs. I am a PA resident, so I would like to stay somewhat local. I am currently exploring all options in case I do not get in, I want to have my applications completed.
 
I think it totally depends on what you get your masters in and why you chose to do it. I received my masters in pharmacy from Univ of Florida. I am still waiting to hear if I got into school (penn & florida). Last year I applied and didn't get in (I already had my masters and completed the program with a 3.9)
 
I have a master's in information systems - got it in 1999 b/c I thought I wanted to go into corporate management of IT. Well... long story short, I was wrong and here I am, starting over. 🙂

Having a master's shows that you can do graduate-level work which is good. I went to an admissions information session at Mich. State and I think they said that if you started a master's program, then you needed to finish it b/f applying.

Instead of doing a master's degree, a friend of mine is graduating this spring and taking a few graduate-level classes to boost her gpa and prove she can do the work. She'll be applying to med schools next spring for the 2009 cycle.

Hope this helps - good luck! 🙂
 
CSU and VA-MD require a letter from your graduate advisor stating you have completed your graduate program (or will complete it before the first day of vet school) before they will consider your application.
 
I'm actually going the same thing as mentioned above: I'm applying this cycle, but if I don't get in, I've already contacted UW-Madison (my in-state) and they will let me take graduate classes without having applied to a program yet as a special student. Take those for a year, and then apply to masters and vet schools again for a second time if I don't get in. One caveat: a lot of the schools I looked at didn't allow spring admissions, and the fall admissions for 08 already passed (jan 1 for most schools). Hence the special student status.
 
I have started an M.S. in Biology, which I consider a 'Plan B'. I hadn't heard that any schools want you to finish a Masters (if you've started one) before applying to veterinary school (I have an interview with Michigan State 2/19). Has anyone else heard this? I assume that by starting a Masters it won't hurt my chances at the interview, but now I'm a little nervous....:scared:
 
I think that a masters program is a great way to get experience and show your academic strengths. However, if you are a Penn resident (and thus are looking into Penn) you can take graduate level courses at UPenn. You can also volunteer at their animal hospital. If you do well at UPenn and work hard at their hospital, then you probably have a better chance of getting in there next year. Also, if you do not get in this year, you can ask them specifically what they think about the masters program. At least then you will know whether or not it will be beneficial for you.

Good Luck!!
 
Getting a masters may be a great thing for you to do to increase your credentials, BUT your grad school GPA won't be calculated into your overall GPA at most schools. Grad school isn't a good option if you are looking to up your GPA. My near 4.0 in grad school doesn't really mean jack to adcoms (even though first year PhD classes in my program are more difficut in a lot of ways than first year medical school classes according to most MD/PhD students).
 
Getting a masters may be a great thing for you to do to increase your credentials, BUT your grad school GPA won't be calculated into your overall GPA at most schools.

Some schools do, though. VA-MD is one that does, for instance. There are others, too, but I don't know them off the top of my head. It would be easy to call/email and ask this.

Also, for most places (though not all) your last 45 credit hours can be grad or undergrad (one exception I can think of right away is Kansas...they're looking for your last 45 undergraduate credit hours).

Anyway, it varies. So check it out for each school you're interested in. But I think the big plus of a masters isn't necessarily grades, but that you're advancing your career in other ways and making yourself more knowledgable in a field of interest. I think that's the major benefit I'm getting from my masters (which is in a very specific and relevant field). But then, until I can back that up with having gotten in somewhere, I guess that's pure speculation.😀
 
My near 4.0 in grad school doesn't really mean jack to adcoms .

Im not sure that's entirely true. Most admissions committees want to see that you can handle the rigorous science of their program...a MSc in Biosomething or other with a 4.0 definitely shows that. I agree it wont have any impact on the actual hard numbers for your undergrad GPA, but it shows people you're moving forward. At least that's what they say at CSU, take a look at this: http://www.cvmbs.colostate.edu/cvmbs/admissions_overview.pdf
 
Im not sure that's entirely true. Most admissions committees want to see that you can handle the rigorous science of their program...a MSc in Biosomething or other with a 4.0 definitely shows that. I agree it wont have any impact on the actual hard numbers for your undergrad GPA, but it shows people you're moving forward. At least that's what they say at CSU, take a look at this: http://www.cvmbs.colostate.edu/cvmbs/admissions_overview.pdf

Nevertheless, I just got rejected from CSU with a 3.97 masters "Biosomething" GPA. It just depends on so many other things whether they care or not. Who knows.
 
Keep in mind that CSU has slightly different admissions procedures than most other vet schools with a more "holistic" approach.

I don't think we'll ever figure out what vet adcoms want... and if we do, one school will be completely different from every other school.
 
All of my schools (this round and last round) included my graduate GPA in both overall and "last n" calculations. Not so sure about science GPA, but this may be due to the fact that I took my core sciences as an undergrad.
 
I have started an M.S. in Biology, which I consider a 'Plan B'. I hadn't heard that any schools want you to finish a Masters (if you've started one) before applying to veterinary school (I have an interview with Michigan State 2/19). Has anyone else heard this? I assume that by starting a Masters it won't hurt my chances at the interview, but now I'm a little nervous....:scared:

I have that info in my notes from the admission information session - it wasn't in the presentation they gave us - the director of admissions made that comment when someone asked her about getting a master's while they waited to hear from Mich. State. She said that as long as you finished your master's b/f actually starting classes that it wasn't a problem. They just didn't want you trying to finish a master's program while in your 1st year of vet school.

I went to the admission information session about 6 months so they may have changed their policy since then. If they have changed their policy, I'm sorry for scaring you 🙁

I can't find anything about this on their web site - I guess you could email them or ask them during your interview.
 
You probably either have to have finished it (and have a letter saying you'll be done on time) or just stop the masters. If you're willing to stop working towards that degree, I can't see that it would matter. Just call your schools and ask. Safest bet.
 
I am currently pursuing a Master's of Public Health with a specialization in Veterinary Public Health at Ohio State. I was also just accepted to their vet school. It is not a condition that I complete my Master's degree before starting vet school, in fact I could drop out of the program if I wanted and still be accepted for the Fall.

I will not complete my master's before vet school starts, but will complete it during vet school (my classes will be done b4 I start vet school and I can finish my thesis any time in the next 5 years). I'm sure it varies from school to school and program to program...just make sure you know where you stand so you don't waste a year or a bunch of money on a master's program you can't or won't finish.
 
Some schools do, though. VA-MD is one that does, for instance. There are others, too, but I don't know them off the top of my head. It would be easy to call/email and ask this.

Also, for most places (though not all) your last 45 credit hours can be grad or undergrad (one exception I can think of right away is Kansas...they're looking for your last 45 undergraduate credit hours).

Anyway, it varies. So check it out for each school you're interested in. But I think the big plus of a masters isn't necessarily grades, but that you're advancing your career in other ways and making yourself more knowledgable in a field of interest. I think that's the major benefit I'm getting from my masters (which is in a very specific and relevant field). But then, until I can back that up with having gotten in somewhere, I guess that's pure speculation.😀

Disclaimer: I can only speak in reference to PhD graduate work. I don't know how masters programs work since masters programs in my field are virtually non-existent.

The problem that I have with counting graduate GPA is that there is alot of filler in your graduate GPA. I get a grade for my research hours every semester. Most semesters that is like 13 hours of research and it is an "A" every time. That grade is highly subjective. Sure I am a good student and work hard and produce alot of data, but how do you grade something like that? More importantly, it completely drowns out any coursework. I think for my PhD work, I have 10 research hours for every 1 coursework hour. I don't value an "A" in my research hours as much as I value an "A" in an actual graduate course, which is much more difficult. Therefore, I don't put much stock in graduate GPAs. I can also tell you for sure that when I seek out a fellowship or post-doc to further my research training, they will not even look at my graduate GPA. Graduate GPA (in my field) has too much filler in there to be an accurate reflection of your performance in graduate level courses. I don't think graduate GPA (mine included) should be counted because of these reasons.

I think the advantage of doing a masters would be proving yourself, especially if you do a research-intensive masters. Doing this coursework will not get you past any GPA screens/cut-offs at most schools since most (I say most, not all) look at undergraduate GPA only. Like I have said before, I think advanced degrees can give you an edge (if they are in line with your career goals), if your undergrad GPA and GRE numbers are competitive.

For the record, I know Penn does not count graduate GPA as part of your last 45. It is your last 45 undergraduate.
 
BobDog, I can see what you mean and that makes sense.

However, if KSU really just used science GPA (according to their definition of it) and GRE scores to figure interview invites, they MUST have taken my masters course GPA into account (all science courses). My undergrad sci GPA is pretty pathetic by admission standards, and while my GREs are quite good, I imagine my grad GPA helped there. No way of knowing, but that's my guess.

Don't you just hate how every school does things differently (and in ways that are totally opaque to the rest of the world)?
 
BobDog, I can see what you mean and that makes sense.

However, if KSU really just used science GPA (according to their definition of it) and GRE scores to figure interview invites, they MUST have taken my masters course GPA into account (all science courses). My undergrad sci GPA is pretty pathetic by admission standards, and while my GREs are quite good, I imagine my grad GPA helped there. No way of knowing, but that's my guess.

Don't you just hate how every school does things differently (and in ways that are totally opaque to the rest of the world)?

I wish they would very clearly state these things. Wouldn't a good, comprehensive website with all of the admissions factors stated clearly be a great resource? I have yet to see one of those at any vet school. 😀
 
Disclaimer: I can only speak in reference to PhD graduate work. I don't know how masters programs work since masters programs in my field are virtually non-existent.

The problem that I have with counting graduate GPA is that there is alot of filler in your graduate GPA. I get a grade for my research hours every semester. Most semesters that is like 13 hours of research and it is an "A" every time. That grade is highly subjective. Sure I am a good student and work hard and produce alot of data, but how do you grade something like that. More importantly, it completely drowns out any coursework. I think for my PhD work, I have 10 research hours for every 1 coursework hour. I don't value an "A" in my research hours as much as I value an "A" in an actual graduate course, which is much more difficult. Therefore, I don't put much stock in graduate GPAs. I can also tell you for sure that if/when I seek out a fellowship or post-doc to further my research training, they will not even look at my graduate GPA. Graduate GPA (in my field) has too much filler in there to be an accurate reflection of your performance in graduate level courses.

I think the advantage of doing a masters would be proving yourself, especially if you do a research-intensive masters. Doing this coursework will not get you past any GPA screens/cut-offs at most schools since most look at undergraduate GPA only. Like I have said before, I think advanced degrees can give you an edge (if they are in line with your career goals), if your numbers are competitive.

For the record, I know Penn does not count graduate GPA as part of your last 45. It is your last 45 undergraduate.

I pretty much 100% agree with this. Before I applied to Mizzou, I asked one of the faculty members who was friends with my faculty adviser from grad school and while he said the masters was nice, it wasn't the degree itself that was helpful. It was the additional more indepth coursework, additional maturity from handling difficult classes (same level of difficulty as in grad school, I'd say, just 4 hard classes in vet school instead of 1 or 2 in grad school), teaching, research, and writing up that thesis (or dissertation for PhD folks). And animal handling/surgery/etc if applicable if you're in biology, animal science, etc. Our grad school GPA was a little different. We didn't get As from research, just credit for passing. So mine wasn't super awesome. Just a little over a 3.3, if I recall, so I didn't have a bunch of As to dilute my C in graduate biochemistry. 🙄

The thing about research-driven grad school (masters or PhD) is that your research is more important than your grades anyways. I was asked during my interview if I brought any abstracts of any of the stuff I presented, which I didn't think to bring. So I just talked about it. But if you have abstracts or something, that may be a good thing to discretely bring into your interview. So all in all, don't stress the degree so much as the additional maturity and understanding of the scientific process. And a big thing that I think helped me: teaching 3 years of biology lab for non-science majors was a big lesson in communicating scientific information to non-science-y people, which is precisely what you'll be doing for clients. I think that's a big selling point that's underrated.
 
I have an MS in Pathobiology got into CSU on the first try with no animal experience... But I also indicated that Research is my end goal... So I think it is different for each school. My MS sure didn't help me get into NCSU's DVM/PhD program....
 
I have an MS in Pathobiology got into CSU on the first try with no animal experience... But I also indicate that Research is my end goal... So I think it is different for each school. My MS sure didn't help me get into NCSU's DVM/PhD program....

One of the vets I shadowed tried getting into CSU and she already had her masters (I think in biology maybe?) and she told them she wanted to do the DVM/PhD program because she really liked research and wasn't interested in clinical. She had little animal experience and they didn't let her in because of that (everything else was stellar, I'm sure). She worked at a local vet clinic every Saturday until the next admissions cycle and got in. 🙄 After she finished her PhD, she realized (kind of like me) that she greatly disliked research and now she's an Air Force DVM/PhD working community practice at a small vet clinic at a smaller sized base giving shots and wellness checks (she doesn't even do surgery). 😀 In your case, why get a DVM/PhD? Why not just the PhD if you just want to do research?
 
At OSU they encourage you to get a masters if you don't get in. A lot of people do the veterinary public health program. If you do it here they are very good about allowing you to complete it intermittently during your time in vet school. Personally, I want to specialize and many residency programs require that you do a masters also, so I plan on waiting. If a masters is something you are interested in though, you can start and finish it alongside your vet curriculum at OSU.
 
I can only speak for myself, but getting a PhD is for people who really are only interested in doing basic research. I do both basic and applied research and I see a lot of basic research that could benefit clinicians if someone with a clinicial aspect did the applied research to bring them to the community. Being able to take things from the field through a molecular biology lab and to the community is a big asset. And that's my argument for the DVM/PhD and why I'm getting one!🙂






One of the vets I shadowed tried getting into CSU and she already had her masters (I think in biology maybe?) and she told them she wanted to do the DVM/PhD program because she really liked research and wasn't interested in clinical. She had little animal experience and they didn't let her in because of that (everything else was stellar, I'm sure). She worked at a local vet clinic every Saturday until the next admissions cycle and got in. 🙄 After she finished her PhD, she realized (kind of like me) that she greatly disliked research and now she's an Air Force DVM/PhD working community practice at a small vet clinic at a smaller sized base giving shots and wellness checks (she doesn't even do surgery). 😀 In your case, why get a DVM/PhD? Why not just the PhD if you just want to do research?
 
I've thought about Auburn's Sports Medicine program - but I am unsure of the potential job opportunities if I don't get into vet school. Not that I can find an application deadline on their website...
 
I was thinking of a masters in forensic science if I don't get in to a DVM program this year. It's still science-related for vet school purposes and a cool fall back if I don't get in again next year.
 
If you're looking to stay in Philadelphia, I know someone who didn't get in to vet school the first time around and is now pursuing a masters in lab animal science at Drexel University (with the intention of re-applying to vet school after obtaining her masters). I don't know much about the program, but here's the website if you're interested:
http://www.drexelmed.edu/GraduateSt...boratoryAnimalSciences/tabid/694/Default.aspx
 
I can only speak for myself, but getting a PhD is for people who really are only interested in doing basic research. I do both basic and applied research and I see a lot of basic research that could benefit clinicians if someone with a clinicial aspect did the applied research to bring them to the community. Being able to take things from the field through a molecular biology lab and to the community is a big asset. And that's my argument for the DVM/PhD and why I'm getting one!🙂

I think electrophile's point was that if, prior to vet school, you only had experience in the lab and didn't do any clinical work, it would be hard to know that you would enjoy the applied/clinical side of research. Someone like this would be wise to get some clinical experience before jumping into a DVM/PhD program, when a PhD program might better suit their interests. Ultimately, we need more basic scientists working out the details than we need applied scientists trying to move things into the clinic.
 
Precisely, BobDog. Gold star for you! 👍
 
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