Matched and about to start residency, then found out I wasn't registered in the Selective Service System...

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Hi everyone,

I am a current PGY1 finishing up my intern year and getting ready to start my ophthalmology residency this summer. I recently traveled to my program to do onsite onboarding at our affiliated VA medical center only to find out that my onboarding was denied because I was not registered in the Selective Service System. For anyone as ignorant as I was, this is the registry that lives on from the days of the military draft, which all men ages 18 are required to register for in case the president decides to reinstate the draft. There seems to be varying awareness about this, some of my friends remember registering and even receiving a card proving it, some of them have no idea what it is, but somehow got registered at some point. The bottom line about the registry is that you can only register from ages 18-26 and if you do not register, you are ineligible for federal grants, federal loans, and FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT INCLUDING VAs. Most people get registered in high school (I turned 18 after graduating) or while applying for federal loans for college or grad school, which I also never did. Once you pass 26, you're essentially screwed and you need to apply for a waiver by demonstrating that you did not avoid the registry intentionally. The website say, "a non-registrant may not be denied any benefit if he can 'show by a preponderance of evidence' that his failure to register was not knowing and willful. Offer as much evidence supporting your case, and as much detail, as possible." I am currently 30 years old and learned about the registry for the first time last week when my VA onboarding was denied. I have spoken to my local VA as well as the VA case worker at my congresswoman's office for guidance and it seems like this is a very difficult hurdle to overcome.

My question is whether anyone out there has been in my shoes and successfully gotten a waiver for the SSS. If so, what kind of evidence beyond sworn affidavits saying "I didn't know and was never told" did you provide? Did you hire a lawyer who specializes in this?

I've been waiting a long time to train in ophthalmology and right now it's feeling more and more likely that I won't be able to come this summer. Any guidance or advice people can offer would be very appreciated.
 
Wow.

I'm so sorry to hear that this has happened to you. As a male, now in my upper 30's, I VAGUELY remember signing up for the selective service system when I turned 18. In all honesty I haven't thought about it since. I didn't even know that they still did this - seems rather antiquated honestly (I mean only males - really? Do we still live in the 20th century?). This aside, unfortunately I can offer you absolutely no help as I've never even heard of this being an issue.

So sorry and good luck. Please keep us informed on what you find.
 
Wow.

I'm so sorry to hear that this has happened to you. As a male, now in my upper 30's, I VAGUELY remember signing up for the selective service system when I turned 18. In all honesty I haven't thought about it since. I didn't even know that they still did this - seems rather antiquated honestly (I mean only males - really? Do we still live in the 20th century?). This aside, unfortunately I can offer you absolutely no help as I've never even heard of this being an issue.

So sorry and good luck. Please keep us informed on what you find.
No we live in the 21st century...🙂
And I think there is talk of having both men and women sign up for selective service since now women can serve in combat.
 
No we live in the 21st century...🙂
And I think there is talk of having both men and women sign up for selective service since now women can serve in combat.
It was floated at one point but I think would be too politically unpopular, none of the feminists want that much equality

The real answer is to stop the selective service
 
Inform your program director and chairman. They may have some pull at the VA to get you credentialed there. They may also move your rotations around a bit to buy more time until you can get this squared away. Sounds like a pain but shouldn't prevent you from starting in July.

I vaguely remember registering when I renewed my drivers license or passport or something. That is so bizarre.
 
I don't have any experience with this, but I would assume a lawyer could help you immensely. It is their job to figure things out like this, and a good one should easily be able to help you with this, despite it being the government replete with red tape.
Best of luck to you!!
 
How did you get federal student loan if you weren’t registered in the Selective Service System? I wasn’t registered either and it was a nightmare to get federal student loan? Ironically, the VA hospital that my program is affiliated with did not make a big deal about it... I left that question blank in the VA application for onboarding...and they did not say anything about it...

Your best bet is to say ‘I was never told’ like I did...

Edit: I just looked at my file... I sent a letter to SSS saying basically ‘I did not know’ and their reply was: “ The purpose of this provision is to clarify that a non-registrant is not to be denied any Federal benefit if he can demonstrate that his failure to register was not knowing or willful.”... “The final decision regarding your eligibility is with the authority of that agency.”

I sent the SSS letter to my medical school and a letter explaining why I did not register and I was granted federal student loan. Therefore, your program will probably be the ultimate decision maker.
 
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Great news! I figured out that New York has had legislation since 2003 that every male 18-26 AUTOMATICALLY consents to selective service registration when they get a NY state ID, driver's permit, or license. I got a driver's permit in 2010 when I was 22 and should have been automatically registered. I have been in contact with wonderful people at the DMV office in Albany this week and they will be writing an email to the selective service explaining that I should have been registered and an error must have occurred, which the selective service has said should be enough for me to get a selective service number! This nightmare could all be over by next week!
 
UPDATE: I OFFICIALLY GOT A SELECTIVE SERVICE NUMBER. Forget about waivers, now this will never be an issue for me in the future. Can’t express how grateful I am to the people at the NYS DMV and Selective Service who got invested in my situation and went above and beyond to help me. Can’t believe this is all over!
 
That’s awesome! I’ve never heard such praise for the DMV before. And it seems they really went above and beyond. Be sure too send those people at the NY DMV a thank you letter!
 
UPDATE: I OFFICIALLY GOT A SELECTIVE SERVICE NUMBER. Forget about waivers, now this will never be an issue for me in the future. Can’t express how grateful I am to the people at the NYS DMV and Selective Service who got invested in my situation and went above and beyond to help me. Can’t believe this is all over!

I think this is the first time in history that the words “grateful to the people at the NYS DMV” have been written.
 
That’s awesome! I’ve never heard such praise for the DMV before. And it seems they really went above and beyond. Be sure too send those people at the NY DMV a thank you letter!
A fruit basket!
 
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