Matching??

[surgeon]

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Chances of matching...or matching in a decent program?

US citizen
Caribbean grad. No failed classes
All exams pass first attempt
step 1 205
step 2 220
Cs Pass first attempt
M.B.A currently enrolled
Few publications not all related to psych

Thanks for replies in advance

 

[Leo Aquarius]

I'm a West Coast guy. A very strong 80 or so applicants around the country fight for spots in California - you see the same batch on different dates, and I don't remember seeing any from Carib schools. Not to say it can't be done, but there aren't any Carib grads at my program and I didn't see any on the interview trail. If you want to land on the West Coast be sure to include Fresno, Kern, Loma Linda, and Arizona programs.

I'm sure you can land into a decent program somewhere.

Ah, this seems to confirm what I'm saying. Let's look at the placement of grads from one of the top Carib schools: St. Georges. One made it to a CA program (Fresno), and the next closest was Univ of Ariz COM.
https://apps.sgu.edu/ERD/2013/ResidPost.nsf/BYPGY?OpenView&RestrictToCategory=PGY1&Count=-1

 

[Leo Aquarius]

Oh by the way, speaking of IMGs, those at the better CA programs I've met were attendings in another field first and then decided to switch into psychiatry. They were very impressive. One was a pediatrician, another was a surgeon, and another was a general internist. They knew far more medicine than I at the interviews. AMGs have a huge advantage.

 

[vistaril]

I'm a West Coast guy. A very strong 80 or so applicants around the country fight for spots in California - you see the same batch on different dates, and I don't remember seeing any from Carib schools. Not to say it can't be done, but there aren't any Carib grads at my program and I didn't see any on the interview trail. If you want to land on the West Coast be sure to include Fresno, Kern, Loma Linda, and Arizona programs.

I'm sure you can land into a decent program somewhere.

Ah, this seems to confirm what I'm saying. Let's look at the placement of grads from one of the top Carib schools: St. Georges. One made it to a CA program (Fresno), and the next closest was Univ of Ariz COM.
https://apps.sgu.edu/ERD/2013/ResidPost.nsf/BYPGY?OpenView&RestrictToCategory=PGY1&Count=-1

ummm I don't recall the OP mentioning anything about california. He will most definately match and he will have a decent number of choices.

 

[surgeon]

You think not to worry??

 

[vistaril]

You think not to worry??

no I wouldn't worry if you are somewhat flexible on where you go and don't need to be at a certain program or certain location(which there was nothing to indicate you do)....

 

[BS81]

ummm I don't recall the OP mentioning anything about california. He will most definately match and he will have a decent number of choices.

I don't think "most definitely" is really accurate here. If you look at the matching outcomes data only 55/158 of Independent Applicants (DOs, US IMG, FMG's) with 201-210 Step 1 scores matched and this was in 2011 and it's been getting tighter and tighter every year. If you're a native English speaker that would help. Rotating or observing somewhere would also greatly help and apply very broadly. I think you have a better than 50-50 shot, but it's not a "most definite" and I would really pull out all the stops to make your interview season go smoothly.

 

[surgeon]

I am a US citizen born in NYC English is my native language....all rotations were done in US hospitals..But I only did one psych rotaion since I realized I wanted to do psych late in my 4th year.

I would like to stay on the East coast since I am from here, but will apply to over 80+ programs all over US...Hope that is enough :/

 

[Psychlover2013]

I am a US citizen born in NYC English is my native language....all rotations were done in US hospitals..But I only did one psych rotaion since I realized I wanted to do psych late in my 4th year.

I would like to stay on the East coast since I am from here, but will apply to over 80+ programs all over US...Hope that is enough :/

I think you will have a good chance. Apply to mostly mid to low tier Uni and Community programs. Select programs that have accepted students from your school. Also look into the match lists of other Carib schools. I think the Ross and SGU lists for the last couple of years are available from google searches.

I am a Carib grad from the Northeast with slightly better credentials. Got 16 IVs applying this year and matched at my #1. I applied to <80 programs but I do recommend you apply widely.

 

[surgeon]

congrats..thats great!

 

[vistaril]

I don't think "most definitely" is really accurate here. If you look at the matching outcomes data only 55/158 of Independent Applicants (DOs, US IMG, FMG's) with 201-210 Step 1 scores matched and this was in 2011 and it's been getting tighter and tighter every year. If you're a native English speaker that would help. Rotating or observing somewhere would also greatly help and apply very broadly. I think you have a better than 50-50 shot, but it's not a "most definite" and I would really pull out all the stops to make your interview season go smoothly.

horrible misuse of data....most of those who didn't match were almost certainly fmgs and not usimgs.

He's going to get a spot, and as a US citizen native speaker with no major red flags(other than being a carrib grad) it probably won't be at a bottom end program either.

 

[BS81]

horrible misuse of data....most of those who didn't match were almost certainly fmgs and not usimgs.

He's going to get a spot, and as a US citizen native speaker with no major red flags(other than being a carrib grad) it probably won't be at a bottom end program either.

Unfortunately we don't have those numbers so I'm just estimating here, but US IMG match rates are a little under 50% across the board, and I don't think it's because they are all applying in to Derm and RadOnc. He will very likely match, but my main point is that it's not a most definite like you suggested. Applying to almost every program in the country might be necessary.

 

[vistaril]

Unfortunately we don't have those numbers so I'm just estimating here, but US IMG match rates are a little under 50% across the board, and I don't think it's because they are all applying in to Derm and RadOnc. He will very likely match, but my main point is that it's not a most definite like you suggested. Applying to almost every program in the country might be necessary.

If he is a grad of sgu/ross/auc(granted that is an assumption on my part) and is american and has no red flags(ie discipline issues and no step failures or rotation red flags) he has a near 100% chance to match in psychiatry if he applies reasonably(and I dont mean to 60 programs or to all the crappy programs).....that may change in ten years, but he isn't applying in ten years.

I know of grads like the OP at several programs across the country, and they aren't anywhere near bottom sixth programs. Many didn't even apply to such programs because they knew they would get in a decent program.

 

[BS81]

If he is a grad of sgu/ross/auc(granted that is an assumption on my part) and is american and has no red flags(ie discipline issues and no step failures or rotation red flags) he has a near 100% chance to match in psychiatry if he applies reasonably(and I dont mean to 60 programs or to all the crappy programs).....that may change in ten years, but he isn't applying in ten years.

I know of grads like the OP at several programs across the country, and they aren't anywhere near bottom sixth programs. Many didn't even apply to such programs because they knew they would get in a decent program.

It's amazing how much you seem to know about USIMG's considering you claim that your program doesn't interview or accept any.

 

[vistaril]

It's amazing how much you seem to know about USIMG's considering you claim that your program doesn't interview or accept any.

my program has some....I know other residents across the country as well. Some are usIMGS. If you think USIMGS from the main carribean schools with no other red flags aren't in good position in psychiatry to match at a lot of decent university programs(Im not talking LSU-Shreveport or Kansas-Kansas City type programs) than you aren't in reality.

The point is psychiatry, along with family medicine, is abo0ut the easiest match out there. To try to spin the numbers any other way is just wrong.

 

[surgeon]

I hope your right..I'm not looking to match in Stanford or Columbia, mid to low tier programs is fine for me in NYC.

I would be very satisfied, just to get it over and start making some buck.

 

[DJspreadsheet]

I hope your right..I'm not looking to match in Stanford or Columbia, mid to low tier programs is fine for me in NYC.

I would be very satisfied, just to get it over and start making some buck.

Damn dude, your interests went from dentist to pharmacist to pa to psychiatrist. Modern day da vinci. To answer your question, I'd drop an application nuke and pray for the best. Vistaril takes the opportunity in quite literally every post to diminish psychiatry, so I wouldn't hang my hat on his analysis. My guess? You'll match if you apply intelligently (ie: broadly broadly broadly).

 

[surgeon]

I dont know...he seems to give straight answers from what I see.

As to my prior posts since your a sick DJ detective there from my sister and her friend when we were in college many years ago.

These forums just make me Laugh.....

A person ask's a simple question and everybody is a genius all of a sudden or a top tier student or triple chief resident or attendings that comment on the prior posts grammer ( happened prior) which are either divorced and have nothing better to do but sit on here to moderate. It's the same guy that wears the brown tie with egg on it from his morning breakfest.

I suprised nobody jumped out and said they had a 271 on step 1 and matched in Psych. The reality is most are social outcasts on every level and degree. The more I submerged myself in medicine, the more I noticed people in medicine are a bunch of losers just trying to fit in....I'm sorry.

Should have been a trader.....Anyway thanks for everybodys input this will be the last time I post anything on here..lol

Its just not worth it listening to this bull****...

 

[MacDonaldTriad]

Don't go away mad. just go away.

 

[vistaril]

Damn dude, your interests went from dentist to pharmacist to pa to psychiatrist. Modern day da vinci. To answer your question, I'd drop an application nuke and pray for the best. Vistaril takes the opportunity in quite literally every post to diminish psychiatry, so I wouldn't hang my hat on his analysis. My guess? You'll match if you apply intelligently (ie: broadly broadly broadly).

Nowhere in this thread did i 'diminish psychiatry'. I simply pointed out that psychiatry is amongst the least competitive specialties. The reality is that the OP isn't a bottom of the barrel candidate for psychiatry(assuming he went to SGU/ross/AUC)....would he match a mid level competitiveness field(EM for example)? NO. if he went to a st mathews type carrib school nstead of somewhere like Ross or SGU, he probably still matches *somewhere* in psych, but he is actually going to have to nuke bomb applications.

 

[digitlnoize]

in this thread...

But you diminish it in so many other threads that we read between the lines...

 

[silas2642]

I think your chances are good but apply early and broadly, making sure that you rank all the programs that you would be willing to attend. Don't get too picky or confident during interview season-- remember that the last position you want to be in is applying to the SOAP.

 

[vistaril]

But you diminish it in so many other threads that we read between the lines...

I don't recall ever 'diminishing' psychiatry. Maybe I've pointed out a few things here and there that don't match up with your ideal of what psychiatry should be. But that's a lot different than me diminishing psychiatry.

 

[Lavenlian]

my program has some....I know other residents across the country as well. Some are usIMGS. If you think USIMGS from the main carribean schools with no other red flags aren't in good position in psychiatry to match at a lot of decent university programs(Im not talking LSU-Shreveport or Kansas-Kansas City type programs) than you aren't in reality.

The point is psychiatry, along with family medicine, is abo0ut the easiest match out there. To try to spin the numbers any other way is just wrong.

Vistaril, I'm curious as to why you mentioned LSU-Shreveport and Kansas-Kansas City. I interviewed at those programs this past year, but I didn't match there.

 

[vistaril]

Vistaril, I'm curious as to why you mentioned LSU-Shreveport and Kansas-Kansas City. I interviewed at those programs this past year, but I didn't match there.

I just picked two programs(I could have picked 20 different ones) which are very noncompetitive....not meant as a slight towards those programs as I know little about them(except that they are very noncompetitive)

 

[sciencebird]

Excellent chance of matching, if your interviews go ok, where you match is hard to guess, but if you pick a broad selection of schools, I am sure you will.

 

[BritTrooper]

I suprised nobody jumped out and said they had a 271 on step 1 and matched in Psych.

Sorry, very busy weekend curing bipolar disorder, partying, and grillin. Throwing my hat in now.

 

[surgeon]

Sorry, very busy weekend curing bipolar disorder, partying, and grillin. Throwing my hat in now.

lol

 

[Psychobabbling]

OP, I had somewhat similar stats. I applied to a large # of programs. I got interviews at Emory, U Conn, Georgetown, etc. every place you go to loves you. Treat it like you're going on a date, smooth talk them a little and get a laugh or two. Be yourself. Every place I had the interview with the program director was basically "what can we do to get you to rank us #1"

Easiest interviews in the world. You grow to enjoy them very quickly

 

[Psychobabbling]

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