Mayo cardiology match

[dweel]

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Mayo Rochester cardiology fellowship placement this year.... IM residents matched in Mayo Rochester, Mayo Arizona, Vermont, Oklahoma, UAB, Ohio State... exceptional one matched in UPenn....

Not only they didn't match in good places but also 2/10 spots at the Cardiology program at Mayo were from their own residents...

My friend just matched with their IM program and he freaked out!!

 

[Hysty]

LOL. You need to die, please.

 

[VCMM414]

Mayo Rochester cardiology fellowship placement this year.... IM residents matched in Mayo Rochester, Mayo Arizona, Vermont, Oklahoma, UAB, Ohio State... exceptional one matched in UPenn....

Not only they didn't match in good places but also 2/10 spots at the Cardiology program at Mayo were from their own residents...

My friend just matched with their IM program and he freaked out!!

These are good matches, especially at Mayo Rochester, UAB, and Penn. Ohio State is not shabby either.

 

[virilep]

These are good matches, especially at Mayo Rochester, UAB, and Penn. Ohio State is not shabby either.

And maybe, that's where they wanted to go? Family etc. ... also... big side point- isn't matching into Cards just an amazing thing in itself... haha. Tell your friend not to freak out. Chilllll out. That's what he'll be doing in Rochester.

 

[Hernandez]

And maybe, that's where they wanted to go? Family etc. ... also... big side point- isn't matching into Cards just an amazing thing in itself... haha. Tell your friend not to freak out. Chilllll out. That's what he'll be doing in Rochester.

that doesn't look too shabby, how many seniors did they graduate this year?

 

[lemonade02]

i've been saying from the beginning...mayo may be a great place to train (maybe even the best?) but they don't place as well as true top tier programs

 

[mirrortest7]

Someone also matched at Wash U.

 

[dadof2]

I am a current Mayo Cardiology Fellow and did IM at Mayo. I know many of the IM folks who matched this year. They all got one of there top choices and were very happy with their match. Mayo is a great place to train and the IM residents do very well when it comes time for interviews for fellowships. They uniformly have multiple places to choose from in the end.

 

[adam6]

Mayo Rochester cardiology fellowship placement this year.... IM residents matched in Mayo Rochester, Mayo Arizona, Vermont, Oklahoma, UAB, Ohio State... exceptional one matched in UPenn....

Not only they didn't match in good places but also 2/10 spots at the Cardiology program at Mayo were from their own residents...

My friend just matched with their IM program and he freaked out!!

It's statements like this that make people think (?correctly ^_^) that many SDNers are complete crazies heheh. Let's get some "perspective", eh?

 

[RTrain]

It's statements like this that make people think (?correctly ^_^) that many SDNers are complete crazies heheh. Let's get some "perspective", eh?

Agreed. Let's all meet at reality. 🙄

 

[Adcadet]

I know for a fact that one of the less "prestigious" matches was a person's top choice and a dream come true. For that resident, the match was a total success.

 

[Danbo1957]

Mayo Clinic Rochester is simply its own special place - it's programs are not comparble to other schools. What looks good in terms of matches at Harvard, UCLA, Hopkins, or Baylor mean little when interpreting Mayo matches.

 

[Doctor&Geek]

Mayo Clinic Rochester is simply its own special place - it's programs are not comparble to other schools. What looks good in terms of matches at Harvard, UCLA, Hopkins, or Baylor mean little when interpreting Mayo matches.

Is this post a joke (considering the poster's avatar)?

Mayo's match list is special because Mayo is special.

 

[Danbo1957]

Mayo's match list is special because Mayo is special.

Agreed. Mayo's matches need to be viewed in the light that their programs differ from that of the more traditional academic med schools, intentially so.

 

[Doctor&Geek]

Agreed. Mayo's matches need to be viewed in the light that their programs differ from that of the more traditional academic med schools, intentially so.

You didn't get it.

 

[BlahtoThis]

The point is to match at a good program, and I think these people were successful from the other posts - Mayo, UAB, Wash U, UPenn are top notch programs. Does anybody really think going someplace other than the most competitive program no matter how well respected the place is makes them get into Hopkins/MGH/BWH for cards if they couldn't for IM? If you had those options going into IM, then you have a better chance for cards because you probably have a stronger app going in. If not, you can't expect miracles.

Face it, cardiology's competitive and a lot of competitive people at BWH, MGH, UCSF, Hopkins are filling lots of positions there. Mayo IM is probably easier to get into because of location. Many competitive people probably ended up at more competitive schools for IM and there are more cards applicants than fellow spots at these schools. A good program helps you get into a good program, but if you really wanted to go to BWH for cardiology, why didn't you go there for residency?

Also, not everybody wants to go to Boston, NYC, San Fran.

 

[docrocmayo]

actually two people matched at Wash U.

I dont think the match this year is bad. it is actually better than last year's when everyone ended up staying at Mayo. I think we had like 16-17 people who applied to Cards this year and everyone matched.

Interesting to note that people think that we are unique! ( humming the mayo song here😉).

 

[jdh71]

Mayo Rochester cardiology fellowship placement this year.... IM residents matched in Mayo Rochester, Mayo Arizona, Vermont, Oklahoma, UAB, Ohio State... exceptional one matched in UPenn....

Not only they didn't match in good places but also 2/10 spots at the Cardiology program at Mayo were from their own residents...

My friend just matched with their IM program and he freaked out!!

I had to come back to this . . . oh booooo, freaking, whoooooo . . . pray tell . . . what exactly is a "good cardiology program"? And how would you figure that the cardiology programs associated with places like Mayo (both), Vermont, Oklahoma, UAB, and Ohio State are not "good"? You really think there aren't enough gomers clutching their chests in the EDs in these places - not enough coronary cath's to go around. Really? I bet none of these places see people in heart failure either (so rare). Whatever will a poor, poor, Mayo grad be able to do when he's done with fellowship at these locations.

 

[orientedtoself]

i am sure oklahoma is an excellent university program. however, not all of us aspire to live in oklahoma.

 

[jdh71]

i am sure oklahoma is an excellent university program. however, not all of us aspire to live in oklahoma.

Your point then, if I am to understand you correctly, is that Oklahoma is "bad" for it's location? Cards seems a lot like ophtho or derm or rads - you go where they take you . . .

 

[orientedtoself]

it's less of a lifestyle location. i don't even know where the univ of oklahoma is. oklahoma city? compare that to boston, new york, san francisco, seattle, portland, chicago, denver etc. not as cool a place to live when you're not at work. i'm sure it's a decent program.

 

[jdh71]

it's less of a lifestyle location. i don't even know where the univ of oklahoma is. oklahoma city? compare that to boston, new york, san francisco, seattle, portland, chicago, denver etc. not as cool a place to live when you're not at work. i'm sure it's a decent program.

Yeah the program is in OKC (and nice - OK likes OK, takes OK, and people from OK, stay - it's kind of hard to get into if you're not from there, truth be told), it's kind of a crap-town, but I guess my point was, outside of a small pool of applicants who are at the Bigs and will stay at their own Big or go to one of the other Bigs, the rest of the pool will have to go wherever someone is happy to take them, and considering the way people in OK eat, I'm sure there will be plenty of work to go around.

I've personally never understood the aversion to the smaller mid-west cities . . . all my friends who live in big and "exciting" places tell me about all the things to do, yet . . . never seem to do them themselves (hmmmm?). I don't see much of an advantage then, but then I guess you get to pay MORE for rent, gasoline, utilities, and groceries, so there is that bonus.

 

[orientedtoself]

the midcoast is definitely underappreciated. jdh, where did you match at?

 

[jdh71]

the midcoast is definitely underappreciated. jdh, where did you match at?

I'm in the midcoast area 😀

 

[Myostatin]

Matching 100% of 16-17 cardiology applicants sounds pretty good to me. Few programs can boast that degree of sucess. Even some of the "Ivy Leage" IM programs have residents that did not match in cards and GI. Regardless, several of the programs that mayo residents matched at (mentioned above) are undisputedly top-tier programs.

 

[BlackNDecker]

And now back to reality,

I heard from one of the chief residents that the number of Mayo residents matching into the Mayo Cardiology program this year was engineered to be low. The reason is because they recently (last year?) filled the Cards program WITH ALL MAYO RESIDENTS.

Second, a substantial number of the IM residents at Mayo are from Midwest schools...like, OMG....Oklahoma😱 Wouldn't it make sense that these people return home to follow up specialty training?

if you really wanted to go to BWH for cardiology, why didn't you go there for residency?

Also, not everybody wants to go to Boston, NYC, San Fran.

Agreed. It's hard to believe that my mortgage is under 600/month and I'm getting world class training...when was the last time the Saudi Royal family went to Boston for medical care? Just saying...

Places like Hopkins, MGH, Penn...while considered top tier here in the states, don't carry the reputation that Mayo has around the world. Guess that make Hopkins, MGH, and Penn "regionally strong?"

 

[BlackNDecker]

My friend just matched with their IM program and he freaked out!!

If he/she didn't want to go to Mayo for INTERNAL MEDICINE residency then he/she shouldn't have ranked Mayo INTERNAL MEDICINE.

 

[grendelsdragon]

There's a lot of pointless back and forth here. I've seen a number of similar threads about program rankings and name recognition, and I think we really should put these types of issues to rest.

1) Mayo is an outstanding training program for IM and cardiology (as I have mentioned on numerous other threads).

2) We have to be mature enough to discern whether the particular features of a training program suits our individual needs. Point in truth is that Mayo does not have a great track record (at least in the past 8 years) for placing its IM graduates in cardiology fellowships at MGH, BWH, UCSF, Duke, Columbia, and some other competitive academically-oriented programs. If you are interested in advanced fellowship training, you should strongly consider residencies that have a history of successful placements in the fellowship programs you want. This is a very basic calculus.

3) The aforementioned cardiology programs specifically select for candidates who have a demonstrated interest in academic medicine. People go to Mayo for excellent clinical training. However, those with an academic focus in research or a desire to train in an environment with an indigent patient population may gravitate to other programs.

4) Saying anything disparaging about Mayo, MGH, UCSF or any other training program is immature and undeserving of meaningful conversation. Needless to say, anyone would be extremely fortunate to train at any of these institutions.

 

[JayneCobb]

This really seems to be much-ado about nothing to me, but what do I know. And I agree OKC is a crappy town and I would not liver there, and I'm Oklahoman, but I'm biased because I went to OSU not OU. Go Cowboys.

 

[dragonfly99]

Your friend should be happy he/she matched at somewhere that had a 100% match rate for its cards applicants last year, and all of those matches at academic programs that are solid. Many places (even top 20-30 internal medicine programs) often have multiple applicants who don't match. Ultimately if you are a US grad at a decent internal med program, you have to go out and get things for yourself. You have to just DO it....get the letters of recommendation, get the USMLE step 3 score, get the research and/or poster presentations. Make it impossible for some cards program to NOT take you.
Don't take anything for granted.

 

[punk]

actually two people matched at Wash U.

I dont think the match this year is bad. it is actually better than last year's when everyone ended up staying at Mayo. I think we had like 16-17 people who applied to Cards this year and everyone matched.

Interesting to note that people think that we are unique! ( humming the mayo song here😉).

Interesting thread. Hey docrocmayo, can you provide the actual breakup of 16-17 people about how many matched where, just curious. Want to see how many matched in a program rated higher than Mayo or comparable to Mayo and how many matched at a program rated lower than Mayo.

 

[CCMD2005]

Interesting thread. Hey docrocmayo, can you provide the actual breakup of 16-17 people about how many matched where, just curious. Want to see how many matched in a program rated higher than Mayo or comparable to Mayo and how many matched at a program rated lower than Mayo.

I don't think you can give a "ranking" of the top cardiology programs but generally people would consider (from the East to West coast) the following to be the "super-elite" programs, each with there own positives and negatives:

BWH, MGH, Columbia, JHU, Duke, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, Wash U., Texas Heart, Stanford...I'm sure I'm missing a few, these are just the ones that come to mind.
-CC

 

[punk]

I don't think you can give a "ranking" of the top cardiology programs but generally people would consider (from the East to West coast) the following to be the "super-elite" programs, each with there own positives and negatives:

BWH, MGH, Columbia, JHU, Duke, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo Clinic, Wash U., Texas Heart, Stanford...I'm sure I'm missing a few, these are just the ones that come to mind.
-CC

I am sure each cardiology program that you have listed is strong in at least some aspects. But if you think from the cardiology program's persepective, they will probably send you invitations based upon your internal medicine program's reputation and "ranking". For example, cardiology program at CCF is highly rated but I am sure IM residents at CCF don't get called from "super-elite" programs that you have listed above.

That is why the question, how many Mayo residents matched into programs that have a bigger reputation than Mayo IM. Because in general (now there are always some exceptions), I have seen that most ppl match into cardiology programs, whose IM department's reputation is lower than their own IM department.

 

[dadr]

I am sure each cardiology program that you have listed is strong in at least some aspects. But if you think from the cardiology program's persepective, they will probably send you invitations based upon your internal medicine program's reputation and "ranking". For example, cardiology program at CCF is highly rated but I am sure IM residents at CCF don't get called from "super-elite" programs that you have listed above.

That is why the question, how many Mayo residents matched into programs that have a bigger reputation than Mayo IM. Because in general (now there are always some exceptions), I have seen that most ppl match into cardiology programs, whose IM department's reputation is lower than their own IM department.

I disagree. I applied for cardiology fellowships this year as a PGY-2 in a middle tier midwest university program, the same one at which I attended medical school. My application couldn't have been much different than my residency app 2 years ago aside from an additional abstract and minor-author paper.

Surprisingly, I ended up getting interviews at several places which didn't even offer me an interview for medicine residency, including strong programs like U Chicago, Northwestern, UW-Seattle and UCSD. Also got interviews at Pitt and CCF. I ended up matching my first choice which is a top tier Midwest program.

 

[punk]

I disagree. I applied for cardiology fellowships this year as a PGY-2 in a middle tier midwest university program, the same one at which I attended medical school. My application couldn't have been much different than my residency app 2 years ago aside from an additional abstract and minor-author paper.

Surprisingly, I ended up getting interviews at several places which didn't even offer me an interview for medicine residency, including strong programs like U Chicago, Northwestern, UW-Seattle and UCSD. Also got interviews at Pitt and CCF. I ended up matching my first choice which is a top tier Midwest program.

then, you must be one of those exceptions that I have mentioned before. How about other candidates in your program? What happened to majority of them?

 

[orientedtoself]

then, you must be one of those exceptions that I have mentioned before. How about other candidates in your program? What happened to majority of them?

dude, the guy didn't go to mayo. if he did, he would have said so. instead he said "middle tier midwest" which could be any number of programs. matched for fellowship at "top tier midwest" which i would interpret as michigan, university of chicago, wash u, or ccf.

 

[BlackNDecker]

I am sure each cardiology program that you have listed is strong in at least some aspects. But if you think from the cardiology program's persepective, they will probably send you invitations based upon your internal medicine program's reputation and "ranking". For example, cardiology program at CCF is highly rated but I am sure IM residents at CCF don't get called from "super-elite" programs that you have listed above.

It isn't completely clear here what you were trying to say here...

I'm not convinced everyone going into cards (or IM for that matter) is dying to get into the Ivy league system. I think most (99.9%) here would agee that Cleveland Clinic is the Numero Uno place to worship the heart. I think another sizeable majority would agree that Mayo falls within the top 4 (regardless whether you fancy USNWR). Having said that, I bet Ivy leaguers make up less than 5% of the total fellows at both of these programs. You honestly believe these programs lack for not taking more Ivy league residents?

I think only Ivy leaguers (or wannabe's) are dying to get into BWH, MGH, Penn, Columbia...call me crazy, but I believe the rest of the applicants are just trying to find a strong program to call home for 3 years.

My gut tells me that the Ivy league system grooms a certain type of person that wouldn't be particularly fun to pound beers with on a Friday night...

 

[sacrament]

It isn't completely clear here what you were trying to say here...

I'm not convinced everyone going into cards (or IM for that matter) is dying to get into the Ivy league system. I think most (99.9%) here would agee that Cleveland Clinic is the Numero Uno place to worship the heart. I think another sizeable majority would agree that Mayo falls within the top 4 (regardless whether you fancy USNWR). Having said that, I bet Ivy leaguers make up less than 5% of the total fellows at both of these programs. You honestly believe these programs lack for not taking more Ivy league residents?

I think only Ivy leaguers (or wannabe's) are dying to get into BWH, MGH, Penn, Columbia...call me crazy, but I believe the rest of the applicants are just trying to find a strong program to call home for 3 years.

My gut tells me that the Ivy league system grooms a certain type of person that wouldn't be particularly fun to pound beers with on a Friday night...

Amen. I didn't even apply to an "Ivy" program, and not because I figured I didn't have a chance (although maybe I didn't), but because I have zero interest in that particular sort of environment.

 

[grendelsdragon]

Amen. I didn't even apply to an "Ivy" program, and not because I figured I didn't have a chance (although maybe I didn't), but because I have zero interest in that particular sort of environment.

This is of course your personal choice. You should also be understanding of people who have an interest in pursuing academic medicine and may gravitate toward training programs with greater resources to conduct research. But with that being said, I do not fully agree with "punk's" rationale either.

I think only Ivy leaguers (or wannabe's) are dying to get into BWH, MGH, Penn, Columbia...call me crazy, but I believe the rest of the applicants are just trying to find a strong program to call home for 3 years.

My gut tells me that the Ivy league system grooms a certain type of person that wouldn't be particularly fun to pound beers with on a Friday night...

I respectfully disagree. I trained at 2 of the above institutions and am faculty and attending in cardiology at one of them. Overall, the vast majority of housestaff and fellows I've met have been down-to-earth, sensible and nice people (as is the case with most training programs). Overall, I think ad hominem arguments hurt your credibility.

Heck, I'll pound a few brewskis with ya. 😀

 

[BlackNDecker]

You seem like a stand-up guy Grendel, but you kinda lend credence to my argument...you got into the Ivy system and never got out. Ivy programs like Ivy applicants. Ivy applicants prefer Ivy programs, so it's an endless cycle.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I was just making the point that most on the outside aren't dying to get in. Both of these reasons probably explain Mayo's Cardiology match.

And I still stand behind my statement that Ivys' make up < 5% of fellows at the clinics (Cleveland, Mayo)...selection bias on both ends?

It's funny how a ridiculous post (see dweel above) can spawn an even more ridiculous thread🙄

 

[dadr]

then, you must be one of those exceptions that I have mentioned before. How about other candidates in your program? What happened to majority of them?

There were about 10 applicants, I believe. Not to give away too much, we had four match to "Top 5-10" programs, one to a very strong West Coast program, one or two to our own university program, a few to scattered university and community programs across the East, and I believe one who didn't match. There was quite a mix but this group also included several IMGs, a few of which were also transfers from other programs so their matches were all the more commendable. I don't believe I am an exception to any rule.

To respond to recent posts, I did not want to go to the top East Coast programs or CCF either, or even the big Chicago programs, largely because of lifestyle (either work schedule, cost of living or commute since I have a family) and not perceived institutional culture/elitism. I also ranked lesser known programs well ahead of some of the bigger players because of lifestyle factors, which I'm sure is not uncommon with peers at this stage of life.