Mayo Clinic vs. Mayo Medical School - Disparity?

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Over the course of the year I've read a lot about the high quality of care offered to patients at the Mayo Clinic. After chatting with a few peers and mentors about Mayo, I've come to understand it as a first-tier place to receive treatment because of the innovative system, medical expertise, and emphasis on patient-centered care.

The reputation of the medical school at Mayo, however, (which is still very, very good) has not really been equal to the same level of greatness associated with the clinic. It seems to me that it is typical for great hospitals to be associated with equally great medical schools (see Harvard and Hopkins). Is this not the case at Mayo? Am I misinformed? In any case, I would like to learn more about what it is that Mayo Clinic is doing right, and whether this can be taught to medical students.

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I think it has more to do with how focused the school is on research - at least in terms of reputation. I'm not an expert on the Mayo system but because it's so devoted to treating patients, I would imagine it devotes relatively fewer resources (although still many resources) to basic research. Harvard Medical School, on the other hand, devotes a vast amount of resources to attracting the best scientists around the world and performs truly groundbreaking basic biomedical research. That's probably why it's got a better reputation.
 
1) Its location probably makes it hemorrhage top applicants to other places
2) Mayo med is only 40 years old
3) It gets a MASSIVE volume of apps, giving it the lowest acceptance rate (2%!). It is quite selective and well regarded, just not as much as possible (see 1) and not much outside the world of medicine (see 2)
 
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Medical school rankings are based mostly on reputation and research monies.

Harvard will always be number one not because of its great education, mentoring or whatever - its humongous hospital system + overall name/mystique are what make it high ranked. As you can imagine, this has absolutely no impact on medical students' education.

Many would say that due to a smaller class size Mayo med students most likely get more attention and care.

Nevertheless, education is mostly what you make of it. Don't let USNews influence your decisions unduly.
 
I don't think many in the medical field would argue that Mayo Medical School provides a medical education that isn't top-of-the-line. It seems like a lot of questions on SDN about the school's "greatness" arise from the fact that it consistently ranks in the mid 20s instead of the top 10 on U.S News Rankings. From what I've heard, there are a couple reasons for the artificially lower ranking:

1) A lot of the great medicals schools that you point out (the top 10 U.S News schools, for example) are not just affiliated with strong hospital systems but are also university-affiliated (with some of the greatest undergraduate schools in the country). The resources/reputation that come from these affiliations are a part of the U.S News ranking formula. Since Mayo is not university-affiliated, it lacks those resources and thus has a lowered rank.

2) Mayo, on the whole, is more heavily focused on clinical research as opposed to basic science research, due to their huge emphasis on patient-centered medicine. The top ranked schools focus more extensively on basic science research, and thus have a higher amount of basic science grants/funding (especially from the NIH) compared to Mayo. This is a significant factor in the U.S News formula.

3) Related to number 2, Mayo funds a significant portion of its research using private donors and other non-federal sources. In 2014, only about $275 million of the $648 million Mayo Clinic research budget came from federal and state funding. The research-related factors that are part of the U.S News formula are based on NIH grants, so private research resources are not accounted for.

4) Student selection factors in the U.S News formula favor the top ranked schools. Mayo has a highly unique admissions process that is driven by their mission to train doctors that are patient, team, and service-oriented. Consequently, though it's acceptance rate (accepted/applied) is lower than any school in the top 20, the other objective statistics with greater weight in the U.S News formula tend to favor the top ranked schools (i.e. Mayo's average MCAT has been around 33/34 while Harvard/Hopkins etc. has been 36+)

Regardless of these factors, I think Mayo does't turn as many heads among premeds/the lay public compared to the U.S News top 10 because the long-standing history and appearance of U.S News have placed the company's rank list on an unnecessarily high pedestal. The best evidence for this is the fact that many other ranking websites and published lists have been around but aren't publicized/referenced as much. For example, StartClass lists UNC as #8 and Mayo as #13, while Duke and Columbia are #24 and #27 respectively. Likewise, the "What makes a top research medical school" paper that was recently published listed the University of Rochester as #12 and Mayo/Albert Einstein as #13, while UCSF was #17 and Michigan was #21. No one could credibly argue that Duke, Columbia, UCSF, or Michigan aren't great medical schools even if they aren't on the top of other lists. Accordingly, it doesn't make sense to consider medical schools outside the U.S News top 20 as any less great. Ultimately, all rankings suffer from biases introduced by the particular criteria the publisher chooses to emphasize---they should have minimal role in one's own evaluation of a school's greatness, relative to factors like personal fit, finances, and how the institution treats its student body.
 
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I was under the impression that Mayo is one of the best med schools around...
 
I also think the small class size hurts the premed reputation. The fact that so many stay within the Mayo systems for residency and as attending also mean that the average person hasn't met a Mayo student. I would give anything to go there, so I hope I can land a residency spot there someday.
 
Funny...I thought Mayos medical school did have a fantastic reputation owing to its small class size, educational focus, research opportunities, and traditionally generous financial aid packages.

I thought pretty much all pre-mess knew that about Mayo, and that the only thing that holds it back even a little is its location/weather.
No, it's the not being able to get in :'((((
 
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