MD & DO: An unfortunate difference

[bth7]

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From the August issue of "The DO magazine."

As an osteopathic medical student, I am frequently asked about my
training by friends and family, as well as by students who are considering
careers in osteopathic medicine. Of course, the question most frequently
asked is "What's the difference between an MD and a DO?" In response, I
proudly describe the uniqueness of osteopathic principles and practice.
However, there is another distinction, which I hesitate to share: Osteopathic
and allopathic medical schools provide dissimilar protection for students
and physicians against discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender
identity.

The nondiscrimination policies of US medical schools are governed by
the accreditation standards of the Liaison Committee on Medical Education
(LCME) and the AOA Commission on Osteopathic College Accreditation
(COCA). The LCME accreditation standard MS-31, as published in
June 2007, states the following:

In the admissions process and throughout
medical school, there should be no
discrimination on the basis of gender,
sexual orientation, age, race, creed, or
national origin.​

The COCA accreditation standard 5.2.2, which became effective in
July 2007, states the following:

Recruiting and selection of students for
admission to a COM (college of osteopathic
medicine) must not discriminate on
the basis of race, color, gender, religion,
national origin, age or disabilities.​

Thus, based on the wording of these accreditation standards, allopathic medical students enjoy the support of their profession
in combating discrimination against students who identify as gay or lesbian,
but osteopathic medical students do not have similar support from their profession.

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bth

 

[homeboy]

From the August issue of "The DO magazine."



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bth

Oh give me a freakin break.
Leaving out the words "sexual orientation" doesn't imply it's fair game for "discrimination."

It's pathetic that in today's world, unless it's explicitly spelled out in such documents, people assume such discrimination is encouraged or at the very least tolerated.

I don't recall sexual orientation being on the agenda of relevant topics discussed on interview day, whatever orientation you follow, mainly because no one cares, and it should NOT be implied that people do care and will discriminate against you unless such topics are on the table, or unless you're given the "we don't discriminate blah blah" disclaimer.

 

[UCFMOP]

THANK YOU above poster... for speaking the obvious truth. Most are too afraid to speak such reason in fear of being labeled a "bigot".

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

I agree. You're a DO student. Were you ever discriminated upon by school admin for being a homosexual male? I don't think you were, b/c if you were, you seem to be the type to jump all over that.

I personally have never heard anyone make a mockery out of homosexuals at the DO school I attend. I don't know who is or isn't a homosexual, hence, it's all a moot point -- it's not a big deal. Quit making something out of nothing, unless you're Ocho Cinco in disguise 😉

 

[bth7]

Oh give me a freakin break.
Leaving out the words "sexual orientation" doesn't imply it's fair game for "discrimination."

It's pathetic that in today's world, unless it's explicitly spelled out in such documents, people assume such discrimination is encouraged or at the very least tolerated.

I don't recall sexual orientation being on the agenda of relevant topics discussed on interview day, whatever orientation you follow, mainly because no one cares, and it should NOT be implied that people do care and will discriminate against you unless such topics are on the table, or unless you're given the "we don't discriminate blah blah" disclaimer.

I agree that no one here is encouraging discrimination based on sexual orientation, though there are plenty that do (an administrator at my school, for example.) What the letter is trying to say is that there is an (actual) difference in the types of discrimination being discouraged, and a difference in which types are expressly prohibited.

bth

 

[tkim]

you wrote that letter, right?

 

[bth7]

you wrote that letter, right?

y

 

[Tired]

you wrote that letter, right?

 

[Toohotinvegas33]

+2


Dont you have things like....i dont know......maybe med school, to be focused on? Obvious the situation didn't hurt you, except...weren't you rejected from the allo schools even with a real high mcat and the DO's took you in? Now you are complaining that they dont bend over backwards to make you feel comfortable.

 

[homeboy]

I agree that no one here is encouraging discrimination based on sexual orientation, though there are plenty that do (an administrator at my school, for example.) What the letter is trying to say is that there is an (actual) difference in the types of discrimination being discouraged, and a difference in which types are expressly prohibited.

bth

Knowing one administrator at your school is a FAR cry from claiming "plenty" of admission committees / DO administrators do.

Bottom line:
Just because it's NOT spelled out doesn't imply it DOES happen, but conversely, just because it IS spelled out doesn't mean it DOESN'T happen.

It's PC to the n'th degree, nothing more.

...in the words of Chris Farley:

Tommy: The point is, how do you know the Guarantee Fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy, but we're not buying it. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times.
Ted: But why do they put a guarantee on the box then?
Tommy: Because they know all they solda ya was a guaranteed piece of ****. That's all it is.

 

[sexyman]

wa wa wa

 

[bth7]

As per usual, the attitudes of the "osteopathic" community speak for themselves.

 

[bth7]

Knowing one administrator at your school is a FAR cry from claiming "plenty" of admission committees / DO administrators do.

Bottom line:
Just because it's NOT spelled out doesn't imply it DOES happen, but conversely, just because it IS spelled out doesn't mean it DOESN'T happen.

It's PC to the n'th degree, nothing more.

...in the words of Chris Farley:

Tommy: The point is, how do you know the Guarantee Fairy isn't a crazy glue sniffer? "Building model airplanes" says the little fairy, but we're not buying it. Next thing you know, there's money missing off the dresser and your daughter's knocked up, I seen it a hundred times.
Ted: But why do they put a guarantee on the box then?
Tommy: Because they know all they solda ya was a guaranteed piece of ****. That's all it is.

From the letter:

The Association of American Medical Colleges’ Group on Student Affairs conducted surveys during the 2005-2006 academic year that found the “undeniable” existence of incidents of“discrimination and mistreatment” of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) students at allopathic medical schools. Researchers documented discrimination regarding sexual orientation faced by applicants to residency programs. Numerous studies have demonstrated the barriers that LGBT patients face in seeking healthcare, especially in rural areas of the United States — areas in which osteopathic physicians are relatively abundant among healthcare professionals. The American Academy of Pediatrics’ Committee on Adolescence reported in 2004 that youths who are not heterosexual are often subjected to harassment and violence and are more likely than their peers to be depressed, attempt suicide and abuse substances, including tobacco.

You can go directly to the sources for these statements in the original version of the letter, here.

bth

 

[Tired]

The Association of American Medical Colleges’ Group on Student Affairs conducted surveys during the 2005-2006 academic year that found the “undeniable” existence of incidents of“discrimination and mistreatment” of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) students at allopathic medical schools.

If only they had a clear non-discrimination clause . . . oh wait, they do (as you pointed out).

So tell me again the benefit of the Osteopathic schools inserting a similar clause?

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

From the letter:

The Association of American Medical Colleges’ Group on Student Affairs conducted surveys during the 2005-2006 academic year that found the “undeniable” existence of incidents of“discrimination and mistreatment” of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) students at allopathic medical schools. Researchers documented discrimination regarding sexual orientation faced by applicants to residency programs. Numerous studies have demonstrated the barriers that LGBT patients face in seeking healthcare, especially in rural areas of the United States — areas in which osteopathic physicians are relatively abundant among healthcare professionals. The American Academy of Pediatrics’ Committee on Adolescence reported in 2004 that youths who are not heterosexual are often subjected to harassment and violence and are more likely than their peers to be depressed, attempt suicide and abuse substances, including tobacco.

You can go directly to the sources for these statements in the original version of the letter, here.

bth

What's the "N?" How objective are these "studies"? Give me a break -- worry about graduating, and not about making a name for yourself and embarrassing the profession at the same time.

 

[bth7]

What's the "N?" How objective are these "studies"? Give me a break -- worry about graduating, and not about making a name for yourself and embarrassing the profession at the same time.

I'm actually worried about health care disparities. Also from the letter,

Healthy People 2010, a national public health initiative of the
US Department of Health and Human Services, cites the elimination of health
disparities among different segments of the population as a critical step
toward improving the health of all Americans. (link) This document identifies
six demographic factors as the sources of such disparities:
gender, race or ethnicity, education or income, disability, rural geographic location, and sexual orientation.

Eliminating these disparities is a challenge that can be accomplished
only with the contribution of the osteopathic medical community. Do we
train osteopathic medical students to consider LGBT-specific health issues
when taking patients' medical histories? Do our hospitals provide visitation
privileges to the partners of LGBT patients? Do we support laws prohibiting
the denial of health insurance on the basis of sexual orientation or
gender identity? All these positions are publicly advocated by the American
Medical Association. (link) In contrast, the AOA has no official policy positions
specifically related to LGBT patient healthcare. This silence promotes the
health disparities observed in LGBT patient populations.

bth

 

[Tired]

I'm actually worried about health care disparities. Also from the letter,

Quoting yourself to prove your own points is bad form.

 

[MJB]

OP,

Do you believe that by adding the words "Sexual Orientation", things would change with the person you're concerned with at your school?


I'm a little confused, because the study you quoted about discrimination applied to allopathic schools (even though they supposedly specifically prohibit such activity), yet you say that the problem is within the osteopathic community.

I'm trying to train myself to treat PATIENTS...and not break them down based on age, sex (or sexual orientaion), race, etc...So I'm interested in what exactly it is that you're trying to accomplish.

If you have a particular problem at your school, I would look into addressing it directly.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

I'm actually worried about health care disparities. Also from the letter,

Healthy People 2010, a national public health initiative of the
US Department of Health and Human Services, cites the elimination of health
disparities among different segments of the population as a critical step
toward improving the health of all Americans. (link) This document identifies
six demographic factors as the sources of such disparities:
gender, race or ethnicity, education or income, disability, rural geographic location, and sexual orientation.

Eliminating these disparities is a challenge that can be accomplished
only with the contribution of the osteopathic medical community. Do we
train osteopathic medical students to consider LGBT-specific health issues
when taking patients’ medical histories? Do our hospitals provide visitation
privileges to the partners of LGBT patients? Do we support laws prohibiting
the denial of health insurance on the basis of sexual orientation or
gender identity? All these positions are publicly advocated by the American
Medical Association. (link) In contrast, the AOA has no official policy positions
specifically related to LGBT patient healthcare. This silence promotes the
health disparities observed in LGBT patient populations.

bth

So, your only piece of evidence is your letter. Bravo.

I don't think you can rationalize your problems to the whole medical community, nonetheless, the osteopathic medical community. There will always be people who are anti-this and anti-that. Doesn't mean jack when you're a doctor. You treat patients equally, regardless of whether or not they are sexist, racists, bigots, etc. I fail to see the relevancy and point to all this outside of parading your own personal agenda, whatever that may be, outside of the fact that you're a homosexual claiming personal injury. Sounds like a healthy dose of reality is needed.

 

[bth7]

To Doctor4Life, MJB, and everyone else,

OK, so a lot of questions and concerns have been raised. I'm surprised. I didn't realize so many people felt updating nondiscrim policies at DO schools was controversial. It seems pretty straight forward to me.

I want to respond to your questions, but many of the questions you are asking are answered by the letter in the OP. So I'd suggest reading the letter first. (Here's the link.) (Or here, if you want the references.)

If you want to attack me, well, that's fine, but I don't really have a response. I mean, if you think I'm a loser, that's your prerogative, but I'm not going to argue with you about it. 🙂

If you take issue with the argument presented in the letter, which is more interesting, I'd be very interested in hearing your ideas.

As you might imagine, I've been having this conversation in various forms for a while. As such, I 'm aware of the reactions people sometimes have to this discussion. Often people feel like "diversity" and "political correctness" are being force fed to them, and accusations of bigotry get thrown around like candy. I'm not insensitive to those considerations, and I my intent is not to fan those flames.

As a gay person, I have a personal experience of hate and violence against LGBT people. That experience informs my opinion. However, in this context, I'm more concerned with disparities in public health, issues like access to care, epidemiology in minority communities, etc.

For a discussion of issues specifically related to LGBT physicians & med students within osteopathic medicine, (which some of the posts have brought up) I'd suggest the two articles in the May issue of The DO magazine, which discuss this.

Here's links to those articles:

Transgender DO's
Gay & Lesiban DO's

bth

 

[KOM]

😴

bth7 - I personally think you're out of line.

We know there's discrimination...but a missing word doesn't scream foul. I encourage you to keep up your fairytale crusade though if it makes you feel better.

 

[bth7]

😴

Bth7 - I Personally Think You're Out Of Line.

We Know There's Discrimination...but A Missing Word Doesn't Scream Foul. I Encourage You To Keep Up Your Fairytale Crusade Though If It Makes You Feel Better.

Ok.

 

[MJB]

To Doctor4Life, MJB, and everyone else,

OK, so a lot of questions and concerns have been raised. I'm surprised. I didn't realize so many people felt updating nondiscrim policies at DO schools was controversial. It seems pretty straight forward to me.

I want to respond to your questions, but many of the questions you are asking are answered by the letter in the OP. So I'd suggest reading the letter first. (Here's the link.) (Or here, if you want the references.)

If you want to attack me, well, that's fine, but I don't really have a response. I mean, if you think I'm a loser, that's your prerogative, but I'm not going to argue with you about it. 🙂

If you take issue with the argument presented in the letter, which is more interesting, I'd be very interested in hearing your ideas.

As you might imagine, I've been having this conversation in various forms for a while. As such, I 'm aware of the reactions people sometimes have to this discussion. Often people feel like "diversity" and "political correctness" are being force fed to them, and accusations of bigotry get thrown around like candy. I'm not insensitive to those considerations, and I my intent is not to fan those flames.

As a gay person, I have a personal experience of hate and violence against LGBT people. That experience informs my opinion. However, in this context, I'm more concerned with disparities in public health, issues like access to care, epidemiology in minority communities, etc.

For a discussion of issues specifically related to LGBT physicians & med students within osteopathic medicine, (which some of the posts have brought up) I'd suggest the two articles in the May issue of The DO magazine, which discuss this.

Here's links to those articles:

Transgender DO's
Gay & Lesiban DO's

bth

I'm afraid I'm not seeing your answers to the questions I asked.

Good luck with your cause. I haven't seen discrimination in my short experience in the osteopathic medical community that you seem to think runs rampant, but I will keep my eyes open.

Have you even considered confronting the person you seem to have a problem with at your school?

You'll have to pardon me as I say that this looks like you are just trying to make a name for yourself by doing a lot of squawking, but offering very little toward resolving the alleged problem. I'm not attacking...I'm just trying to understand what exactly your intentions entail.

 

[TOXOSIS]

Quoting yourself to prove your own points is bad form.

👍 seriously bth7, let it go... last post I remember from you was when you were trying to stir up controversy that Touro didn't have a right to choose what clubs to sponsor using SDN and mass emailing the Osteo group to get the word out. This one word left out isn't discrimination nor is it worth making a new thread in this forum.

 

[UCFMOP]

 

[zenlike]

I would expect that one would face more discrimination by being overweight or unattractive than due to one's sexual orientation (which is not outwardly visible). But neither of the two passages provide protection for fat or ugly people.

 

[MJB]

I would just like to add that if the OP has actually been subjected to hate and violence for any reason, I feel that is wrong. The problem is, lots of people are subject to such things for a multitude of reasons.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

OP, I don't get it. First you make a fuss about semantics in the policies regarding MD and DO anti-discriminatory, then you turn around and say you're arguing in defense to homosexuals not receiving etiquette medical care?

You're in medical school. Hence, no discrimination from Touro-Ca regarding that issue. Once again, I will say that you need some reality check. You don't know the type of families and lifestyles others around you come from, and yet can't claim certain rights. Also, what are you going to do when some patient mocks you for being gay? Avoid him/her? No. Doctors don't dismiss a homosexual patient who has full blown AIDS either.

I'm not personally attacking you, but quite honestly, this is a waste. You seem to be so passionate about your own insecurities of your sexuality that every little thing becomes such a big brouhaha regarding the issue of homosexuality. If there's no gay club, form one. Don't sit around on SDN whining about it. The thing is, how many people would actually join it? My guess is not many, and that is why it probably had not been formed and why you likely were not able to form one. Each club must have a certain number of members or some objective way to validate allocating money to a certain group. If you are this passionate on SDN about it, be passionate about it in regards to something that counts. Encourage others to have an open mind, but don't go around and squabble over semantics. That just makes you annoying and you lose respect quickly.

1 question: are you a Democrat? Of course you are ... 🙄

 

[Tired]

I'm not personally attacking you, but quite honestly, this is a waste. You seem to be so passionate about your own insecurities of your sexuality that every little thing becomes such a big brouhaha regarding the issue of homosexuality. If there's no gay club, form one. Don't sit around on SDN whining about it. The thing is, how many people would actually join it? My guess is not many, and that is why it probably had not been formed and why you likely were not able to form one. Each club must have a certain number of members or some objective way to validate allocating money to a certain group. If you are this passionate on SDN about it, be passionate about it in regards to something that counts. Encourage others to have an open mind, but don't go around and squabble over semantics. That just makes you annoying and you lose respect quickly.

This is the most pointed and intelligent critique I have seen on SDN in a long, long time. 👍

 

[bth7]

OP, I don't get it. First you make a fuss about semantics in the policies regarding MD and DO anti-discriminatory, then you turn around and say you're arguing in defense to homosexuals not receiving etiquette medical care?

For me the issue begins with the health care disparities. First, one has to identity what are the factors that contribute to impaired access to care. The Dept of Health and Human Services did a pretty good job of this with Health People 2010, identifying the factors they found that lead to health care disparities.

Next, one has to create solutions tailored to each demographic factor. For example, DHHS showed that rural geographic location presented patients with a barrier to care. In that case, we need med schools that recruit from rural areas, and programs to help doctors work in rural areas. Another area was sexual orientation, thus we need to make sure med schools treat homosexual candidates applying to schools equally, and make sure med students are taught what health care needs this population might have that area unique.

A small example, did you know that gay men have anal cancer at a rate many times that of women and cervical cancer? But, med students are not taught to perform anal pap smears on gay men, as they are taught to perform them on women, as a cancer screening tool. Pap smears are still the most cost effective way to screen for cancers caused by HPV (anal/cervical).

In the case of the nondiscrim policies, I'm trying to address one small piece of this equation, making sure the minority has access to med school. We know from other minorities health disparities that one of the best ways to address a health care disparity, is to train members of that minority to be doctors, since such individuals will often return to their communities to practice. The AOA has several programs that try to reach out to racial minorities for this exact reason. The first step though is the nondiscrim policy.

You're in medical school. Hence, no discrimination from Touro-Ca regarding that issue. Once again, I will say that you need some reality check. You don't know the type of families and lifestyles others around you come from, and yet can't claim certain rights.

I'm not sure what this last bit is saying. Do you mean that you can't tell someone's background by looking at them? What rights can't I claim? I want to respond, I'm just not sure what you are asking.

Also, what are you going to do when some patient mocks you for being gay? Avoid him/her? No. Doctors don't dismiss a homosexual patient who has full blown AIDS either.

As far as a patient mocking me for being gay, that's already happened. I'm a professional (I try to be). I dealt with it and moved on. Doctors dismissing a gay patient (with or without AIDS)? Happens all the time. That's part of the problem I'm trying to address.

I'm not personally attacking you, but quite honestly, this is a waste. You seem to be so passionate about your own insecurities of your sexuality that every little thing becomes such a big brouhaha regarding the issue of homosexuality. If there's no gay club, form one.

We already did. In 2002.

The thing is, how many people would actually join it?

Lots! We are one of the most active groups on campus. Which is why we really raised hell when an administrator tried to revoke the funding for the club saying the "homosexual lifestyle" was immoral. He quickly backed down when the AMA, AMSA and the City Government got involved. And he's since been let go from the University.

It was the nondiscrim policy of the school (included sexual orientation) that really helped protect the club from the administrator's actions. Many other students helped as well, even one's that weren't part of the club. Whether its the Christian Medical Association or the Student for Choice club, we all agree that a club shouldn't be revoked just because an administrator disagrees with a club's politics or the sexual orientation of its members.

For more info about the goal's of the group (what the intent is), there's lots of good policy from the American Medical Association (link) or the American Academy of Pediatrics (link). It's a issue of growing awareness with the medical community. I'm hoping that the osteopathic organizations can come up to speed, which is easily done simply by extending existing policies (about religion, race, gender) to include sexual orientation as well. I see that as the first step anyway.

bth

 

[DragonWell]

Personally, I support adding specific protection for LGBT to the discrimination policy. Sure, it's just a few words, but when a specific community has faced so much hatred and discrimination, I think it's quite reasonable to ask for and expect specific protection in an anti-discrimination statement.

I don't really know that this change would mean anything in the real world or if it would change anyone's attitude, but if the AOA adding a few words to a statement can make LGBT DO students feel more comfortable and accepted, I say why not do it? How much time/effort would it really take? Not much, I think.

BTW, if fat people or ugly people ever got organized and asked for specific protection, I'd support adding that, too. 😛

 

[KOM]

I would expect that one would face more discrimination by being overweight or unattractive than due to one's sexual orientation (which is not outwardly visible). But neither of the two passages provide protection for fat or ugly people.

I don't know about more, but even my wife complains when she has to do OMM on a fat person. Where's their protection?

And I make fun of ugly people all the time!! Where's their protection?

No real problems with gay people though...they're generally pretty fit and good looking. 🙂

 

[Tired]

Personally, I support adding specific protection for LGBT to the discrimination policy. Sure, it's just a few words, but when a specific community has faced so much hatred and discrimination, I think it's quite reasonable to ask for and expect specific protection in an anti-discrimination statement.

I don't really know that this change would mean anything in the real world or if it would change anyone's attitude, but if the AOA adding a few words to a statement can make LGBT DO students feel more comfortable and accepted, I say why not do it? How much time/effort would it really take? Not much, I think.

See, this is a really reasonable, intelligent argument that I would suspect resonates with most people.

The OP could take lessons from you. Instead he started this attention-***** thread, filled it with insinuations that the lack of a non-discimination statement equals acceptance of disciminatory treatment, and ended it with a couple posts about how wonderful he is for starting a campus club and writing a letter to the editor. 🙄

 

[bth7]

See, this is a really reasonable, intelligent argument that I would suspect resonates with most people.

The OP could take lessons from you. Instead he started this attention-***** thread, filled it with insinuations that the lack of a non-discimination statement equals acceptance of disciminatory treatment, and ended it with a couple posts about how wonderful he is for starting a campus club and writing a letter to the editor. 🙄

Well, I'm glad we agree with the basic message. That's good to know.

So, seriously. Obviously something I did got everyone's panties in a wad here. Where did I go wrong? I was just trying to raise the issue, and suggest we change the wording (for starters.) "Attention-***** thread" ? Isn't that a bit harsh? Can you explain to me what I said that was so off-base (since you resonate with the above post)? I'm actually sincerely asking. I'd rather be effective in getting the message out. My goal wasn't to piss everyone off.

bth

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

I don't know about more, but even my wife complains when she has to do OMM on a fat person. Where's their protection?

And I make fun of ugly people all the time!! Where's their protection?

No real problems with gay people though...they're generally pretty fit and good looking. 🙂

Their safe-haven happens to be at a McD's or Burger King, where they can scoff down as many big macs or whoopers to their heart's desire without feeling guilty.

OP: Quite frankly, I'm not against there being a group for the homosexuals, and I've already explained where you went wrong from the get-go. I think there comes to the point where once people keep seeing the same old "the sky is falling" scenario, people begin to lose interest and it will seem like a drama-queen thread. Don't over dramatize and turn yourself into some sort of savior. Just state the facts, add in why you are wanting this and that to be done, and leave it to us for opinions. If we are interested, we'll ask. DW speaks well about this.

 

[SomeDoc]

Bth7, keep at it, and kudos. Positive change and open dialogue can sometimes be an uphill battle, but it isn't unattainable.

 

[bth7]

Bth7, keep at it, and kudos. Positive change and open dialogue can sometimes be an uphill battle, but it isn't unattainable.

Thanks.

Keep trying, keep trying . . .


bth
Touro University

 

[J1515]

As far as a patient mocking me for being gay, that's already happened. I'm a professional (I try to be). I dealt with it and moved on. Doctors dismissing a gay patient (with or without AIDS)? Happens all the time. That's part of the problem I'm trying to address.

How the heck did a patient know your sexual preference?

And doctors don't dismiss gay patients "all the time" as you state. I have no clue where you are getting this stuff from.


If there's an issue you feel should be discussed, create a single thread stating the issue and if people are interested they will add their opinions. But when every other post from you is blasting the rest of the world in a "drama queen-like" fashion for not being politically correct, yes it will eventually start to annoy people.

 

[Toohotinvegas33]

How the heck did a patient know your sexual preference?
And doctors don't dismiss gay patients "all the time" as you state. I have no clue where you are getting this stuff from.


If there's an issue you feel should be discussed, create a single thread stating the issue and if people are interested they will add their opinions. But when every other post from you is blasting the rest of the world in a "drama queen-like" fashion for not being politically correct, yes it will eventually start to annoy people.

I'll assume Bth7 is one of the flamboyant homo's, or he gets real excited when administering a DRE. Either way it probably doesn't take a strong gaydar to sense it.

 

[tkim]

Well, I'm glad we agree with the basic message. That's good to know.

So, seriously. Obviously something I did got everyone's panties in a wad here. Where did I go wrong? I was just trying to raise the issue, and suggest we change the wording (for starters.) "Attention-***** thread" ? Isn't that a bit harsh? Can you explain to me what I said that was so off-base (since you resonate with the above post)? I'm actually sincerely asking. I'd rather be effective in getting the message out. My goal wasn't to piss everyone off.

bth

How about this. You posted the link to the letter, yet did not mention that you wrote it. It would have been far more sincere to preface your post with 'hey I wrote this letter and would like to stimulate some discussion'.

And when I asked you if you'd written that letter, I got a *one letter* reply. Instead, you could have easily used that as a springboard to say "yes, I did, and would like to hear what other people think."

 

[DannMann99]

What a joke. Gay people are so lame.

Theres alot of sexual discrimination in COMs. One of the first days of orientation the dean says 'you make fun of someone's sexual preference, you are out of school by the end of the week'

So why don't you just cram that article, and your opinion. Osteopathic schools aren't a hate filled anti-gay establishment, and no one cares who you like when the lights are turned off.

 

[ShyRem]

enough. I'm closing this one.