Medicine as a career

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Ever think how much easier u could make life by just finding a job after a 4 year degree rather than go through medical school, residency, and etc to be a doctor which requires more schooling and exams?
 
If you’re thinking a more science type career then I think Dentistry could be an option as well.
 
I’m taking about making life easier by just finding a job after college or something rather than go through more schooling and exams with medical school route.
 
If you are looking for easy way, then medicine is not a good choice. If you want fast and relatively easy money - attend 3-5 months full time coding bootcamp, starting salary around 60k which grows up 150+ over few years. No college, enjoyable schedule, good money, great job security, total life time earnings close to PCP. Don't get into medicine because you want easy money!
 
It really depends on you. Some people enjoy school. I did. I still enjoy learning. I would say I have learned more since finishing residency than I learned in all the years before. If you’re like me, medicine is awesome.
 
Fuarky said:
I meant I’m talking about that not taking.
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I have no idea what you mean by this.

Just in case you need clarification to my comment, it is a lot easier to not go into medicine, and this is a wise idea for a lot of people. Not everybody is meant to be a doctor.
 
Was also considering PT, GRE is slightly easier entrance exam than MCAT, I enjoy sports and exercise, PT school ain’t as rigorous as medical school, and PT offers a great lifestyle, and make money sooner. But medical doctors have slightly more prestige and more earning potential at the end. Both are excellent careers.
 
Fuarky said:
Was also considering PT, GRE is slightly easier entrance exam than MCAT, I enjoy sports and exercise, PT school ain’t as rigorous as medical school, and PT offers a great lifestyle, and make money sooner. But medical doctors have slightly more prestige and more earning potential at the end. Both are excellent careers.
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Sounds good. ...and you are right, the GRE is a walk in the park in comparison.
 
Fuarky said:
I gave my reason for each in a previous post.
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Yes, and only you can decide what's best for you.

No one else knows exactly how much you value free time, having a "great lifestyle", money, prestige, and other important things like spending time with family, etc. I will say though that chasing a career purely for prestige or money is stupid, and if that is your goal for pursuing medicine, pick something else.
 
Fuarky said:
Ever think how much easier u could make life by just finding a job after a 4 year degree rather than go through medical school, residency, and etc to be a doctor which requires more schooling and exams?
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I would have to get another degree or go the entrepreneurial route if I wanted to leave medicine. In this economy there are no good jobs with a biology B.S. on its own
 
spb1703 said:
If you are looking for easy way, then medicine is not a good choice. If you want fast and relatively easy money - attend 3-5 months full time coding bootcamp, starting salary around 60k which grows up 150+ over few years. No college, enjoyable schedule, good money, great job security, total life time earnings close to PCP. Don't get into medicine because you want easy money!
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Can you tell me where these coding jobs that offer 60k are?
 
@Sunbodi Junior developer, junior full stack developer, or entry level software developer jobs around that salary can be found here using Indeed.com. Very few people on this website have an interest in both medicine and coding, however being at a crossroads between both of them is a unique business opportunity if you are someone who wants to be an independent entrepreneur. Think about platforms like Epic and how it can be improved from a medicine perspective to more accurately capture patient data. Having some independent ability to trial code and to throw it up on github will give you both a unique perspective on what can be done to improve healthcare and actual opportunities to change the EMR system that all our colleagues feel is more like a chain than an extension of the provider.
 
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Sunbodi said:
Can you tell me where these coding jobs that offer 60k are?
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Anywhere you want. People with computer science degrees at my Podunk State get these offers right on campus even before they graduate, after 3-5 years they already make 100k+. If you go deeper and talk to IT recruiters in big cities (not necessarily Silicon Valley), you can find offers that pay 200k+ plus stock options, but they usually hire people with 10-15 years of experience, and some of them require advanced degrees.
 
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Anywhere you want. People with computer science degrees at my Podunk State get these offers right on campus even before they graduate, after 3-5 years they already make 100k+. If you go deeper and talk to IT recruiters in big cities (not necessarily Silicon Valley), you can find offers that pay 200k+ plus stock options, but they usually hire people with 10-15 years of experience, and some of them require advanced degrees.
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There's a lot of misinformation with what you just typed, but I don't think it's worth it to start a dialogue when what you typed seems filled with conviction. Oh well, why not.

- Computer science as a major has a high drop out rate, especially at Podunk State.

- Podunk State and Ivy U will often have similar rigor in terms of a programming class d/t a lot programming centered around self-learning. In fact, I would argue that taking a programming class like Java or C++ is more conserved between institutions than a class like Organic or Biochemistry. At my State U your homework assignments were either a 100 or a 0, our assignments weren't touched by the TA or the professors. Either their code could read your code or it couldn't and you passed or failed accordingly.

- A lot of people who get offers right on campus and even before they graduate put in the effort to get hired before graduation. CS students have been getting smarter with realizing that a lot of 300 and 400 coursework does not necessarily overlap with whiteboard, hangout, teamview questions they will get in interviews. Like medical students they use outside resources e.g. Cracking the Code and doing additional homework problems in order to get an idea of what direction they need to be in to pass multi-stage interviews. Also, there's a lot of learning when it comes to interviews, more often than not CS students will be rejected from more companies than accepted even with no experience and low expectations.

- At 3 to 5 years, a lot of programmers find themselves in an awkward position where they are used to working in general areas of front-end or back-end and are not so much familiar in other general areas. In addition, they may or may not have had experience with certain platforms that companies are looking to hire for or the type of work involved. In which case, a company may actually see someone who is considered to be an intermediate programmer to be a junior developer when it comes to the languages they are working with to get the job done.

- Information technology (IT) if we're talking about computer science (CS) tends to vary in terms of content. From what I know from our curriculum, IT involves more elements of networking and data protocol rather than concerns itself with programming/coding. An IT class would likely involve an element like how a token ring connects LAN computers together whereas a CS class would be more focused on run time when it comes to various algorithms. In some schools the difference between CS/IT can be very significant so much so that students who drop out of CS end up acing every IT class. In other schools the pre-reqs overlap and there is very little difference aside from 300 to 400 level coursework.

- Talking to recruiters is not an accurate representation of what companies actually want in terms of skill set from their programmers or the amount of pay they will receive in compensation. Often times recruiters are paid a commission by the company to get as many apps as possible, but the recruiters themselves often know very little and if they interview any candidate it will be a screening interview with some behavioral questions tossed into it. The actual interview screen that is done by the company will be done after the third party is done with their part, this is where actual programing will usually be tested and not asked from the candidates. It's very different to screen someone by asking them if they have X years of experience in Y language and then asking them to demonstrate knowledge of X using Y through a question.

- Jobs that hit the criteria of 200k+, stock options, and 10-15 years of experience are usually positions like Chief Technology Officer (CTO) which involve a lot of responsibility as they are literally in control of all technology related operations for that company from hiring to firing, security leaks, program deadlines, etc. etc. Basically for a technology company they make sure that the company keeps running and honestly deserve every bit of the 200k they are earning.

Disclaimer: My major was not in either CS or IT. I studied bioinformatics which required CS classes and worked in entry level IT doing help tickets.
 
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Select All That Apply said:
There's a lot of misinformation with what you just typed, but I don't think it's worth it to start a dialogue when what you typed seems filled with conviction.
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My mother and her friend are software engineers, my friend graduated last year and got exactly 60k offer right after graduation. I know what I am talking about.
 
Select All That Apply said:
There's a lot of misinformation with what you just typed, but I don't think it's worth it to start a dialogue when what you typed seems filled with conviction. Oh well, why not.

- Computer science as a major has a high drop out rate, especially at Podunk State.

- Podunk State and Ivy U will often have similar rigor in terms of a programming class d/t a lot programming centered around self-learning. In fact, I would argue that taking a programming class like Java or C++ is more conserved between institutions than a class like Organic or Biochemistry. At my State U your homework assignments were either a 100 or a 0, our assignments weren't touched by the TA or the professors. Either their code could read your code or it couldn't and you passed or failed accordingly.

- A lot of people who get offers right on campus and even before they graduate put in the effort to get hired before graduation. CS students have been getting smarter with realizing that a lot of 300 and 400 coursework does not necessarily overlap with whiteboard, hangout, teamview questions they will get in interviews. Like medical students they use outside resources e.g. Cracking the Code and doing additional homework problems in order to get an idea of what direction they need to be in to pass multi-stage interviews. Also, there's a lot of learning when it comes to interviews, more often than not CS students will be rejected from more companies than accepted even with no experience and low expectations.

- At 3 to 5 years, a lot of programmers find themselves in an awkward position where they are used to working in general areas of front-end or back-end and are not so much familiar in other general areas. In addition, they may or may not have had experience with certain platforms that companies are looking to hire for or the type of work involved. In which case, a company may actually see someone who is considered to be an intermediate programmer to be a junior developer when it comes to the languages they are working with to get the job done.

- Information technology (IT) if we're talking about computer science (CS) tends to vary in terms of content. From what I know from our curriculum, IT involves more elements of networking and data protocol rather than concerns itself with programming/coding. An IT class would likely involve an element like how a token ring connects LAN computers together whereas a CS class would be more focused on run time when it comes to various algorithms. In some schools the difference between CS/IT can be very significant so much so that students who drop out of CS end up acing every IT class. In other schools the pre-reqs overlap and there is very little difference aside from 300 to 400 level coursework.

- Talking to recruiters is not an accurate representation of what companies actually want in terms of skill set from their programmers or the amount of pay they will receive in compensation. Often times recruiters are paid a commission by the company to get as many apps as possible, but the recruiters themselves often know very little and if they interview any candidate it will be a screening interview with some behavioral questions tossed into it. The actual interview screen that is done by the company will be done after the third party is done with their part, this is where actual programing will usually be tested and not asked from the candidates. It's very different to screen someone by asking them if they have X years of experience in Y language and then asking them to demonstrate knowledge of X using Y through a question.

- Jobs that hit the criteria of 200k+, stock options, and 10-15 years of experience are usually positions like Chief Technology Officer (CTO) which involve a lot of responsibility as they are literally in control of all technology related operations for that company from hiring to firing, security leaks, program deadlines, etc. etc. Basically for a technology company they make sure that the company keeps running and honestly deserve every bit of the 200k they are earning.

Disclaimer: My major was not in either CS or IT. I studied bioinformatics which required CS classes and worked in entry level IT doing help tickets.
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The point was not that this is easy, but that you don’t have to go to medical school to earn good salary.
 
spb1703 said:
The point was not that this is easy, but that you don’t have to go to medical school to earn good salary.
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spb1703 said:
If you are looking for easy way, then medicine is not a good choice. If you want fast and relatively easy money - attend 3-5 months full time coding bootcamp, starting salary around 60k which grows up 150+ over few years. No college, enjoyable schedule, good money, great job security, total life time earnings close to PCP. Don't get into medicine because you want easy money!
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In the words of the great Plucky Duck, “Nothing easy is ever simple”

If I wanted easy I’d be spending 10 hours a day in my restaurant. I’d be making as much or more than what I currently want to do and I would have to work myself to death to get through med school/residency/fellowship
 
I just can't imagine how mind-numbingly boring programming and coding would be. I couldn't see myself doing that the rest of my life, but to each his own.

Podiatry is my backup if the traditional physician route doesn't work out.
 
spb1703 said:
The point was not that this is easy, but that you don’t have to go to medical school to earn good salary.
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To be honest going that route as will take as much time as finishing med school. I think this might be advice worth giving to a freshman in college or a highschooler.

And if CS/IT is not easy why this over medicine? It doesn't seem easier than medicine unless you're a freshman in college.
 
Doktor_dud3 said:
I just can't imagine how mind-numbingly boring programming and coding would be. I couldn't see myself doing that the rest of my life, but to each his own.

Podiatry is my backup if the traditional physician route doesn't work out.
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I think programming is pretty fun when combined with research or something of interest. It's always fun learning new codes and actually succeeding in it and having something to show for all the hard work put into it
 
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