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Marital & Family Therapists Approved As VA Practitioners

And our field continues to get flushed down the toilet...

When there is a shortage of psychiatrists, they increase their pay to $200-$300k, offer to fly them in by helicopter, offer 7+ weeks vacation, etc.

When there is a (rare) shortage of psychologists (in the VA, thanks to the Iraq war), what happens? Do you increase pay or benefits to lure psychologists? No! Instead, MFTs are given an expanded scope of practice so they can do a psychologist's job "cheaply."

I have no problem with MFTs as solo or collaborative practitioners, as long as they do what their license was originally intended for them do: practice MARRIAGE and FAMILY therapy with non-clinically-diagnosable clients. Instead, over the past two decades, they have shrewdly become a cheap version of a psychologist, and taken our place in treating a broad array of DSM-Diagnosable mental illnesses (along with MSWs, LCSWs, LPCs, MHCs, and the other alphabet soup of degrees not intended for a broad array of practice).

I'm glad Veterans will have increased access to care, but there's no real shortage of psychologists. There's a shortage of psychologists willing to work with that population at that price. If VA offered even 50% of a psychiatrist's salary, psychologists would be falling over each other to fill those positions...

I would be more upset at Congress, but really, its the APA's own fault. They've done a piss-poor job of protecting the interests of the field as a clinical profession... and we have to deal with the consequences.

Here's an excerpt from the Sept. 2007 NACPPP Newsletter:

"On December 9th during the last hours of
the 109th Session, Congress passed a
sweeping Veterans Affairs (VA) package
making Marriage and Family Therapists
(MFTs) eligible providers of mental health
services under the VA. This MFT inclusion
is another in a long march of professional
counselors (called LPCs in some
states) and other master's prepared therapists
to seek statutory permission to diagnose
and treat mental disorders...

Recently, the American Counseling
Association (ACA) has posted statements
indication their belief that masters level
counselors can do most of the work of psychologists,
and much more cheaply. These
clearly guild and anti-psychology efforts
continue while the American Psychological
Association accredits programs in
counseling and other specialties in psychology
that fill seats by turning out masters
practitioners. In this sense we are our
worst enemy and confuse psychologists
and legislators alike about whether we
really mean that "a psychologist" (and by
implication, those who are trained in psychology)
is a doctorate trained individual.

The problem is that masters level guild
associations are much more aggressive
than most psychological associations and
state associations. They are often much
more political savvy and have the unanticipated
ally of our training programs turning
out members for them that swell their
numbers. APA can't deal with this problem
because it is so diverse that its' academics
would be very upset if APA took a
stand against accredited programs turning
out masters level practitioners. Many faculty
at APA approved doctorate programs
are members and even leaders of ACA and
other associations dedicated to filling the
field of psychotherapy with masters level
providers and moving psychotherapy to a
masters level profession. Even Dr. Canfield,
President of ACA is licensed as a
psychologist."
 
The NACPPP release echoes some concerns I've shared on here. APA has really dropped the ball when it comes to political change and educating our politicians, and they have done nothing to change this issue. I'm not a member anymore because they are not supportive of practitioners, and have shown little to change that.

As for MFTs in the VA....on the one hand I can see some family issues that come up (Aging parents/spouse with Alzheimer's, and the family needing to adjust), but this is FAR FAR different from mental health services, and apples and oranges from what a clinical psychologist would do.....so giving them cart blanche access is definitely a problem. Ancillary support would be great, because they are trained in that area, but once they go out of scope....how is that not an ethical issue?

-t
 
Funny that you should say they aren't supportive of practitioners, because I think they aren't very supportive of scientists/academics either.

Is there anything they are good for?
 
Funny that you should say they aren't supportive of practitioners, because I think they aren't very supportive of scientists/academics either.

Is there anything they are good for?

Their conferences are entertaining....though I don't think they are super-informative. They had freaking Dr. Phil in 2006.....

-t
 
Seriously?

Did they put him in a dunk-tank (good) or did someone let him talk? (very bad).

I didn't realize there were psychologists that respected him as remotely legitimate in any way.
 
Seriously?

Did they put him in a dunk-tank (good) or did someone let him talk? (very bad).

I didn't realize there were psychologists that respected him as remotely legitimate in any way.

It was quite the split down the middle....many people decided to not show up, but it was still packed. He talked about a bunch of stuff, and it was more entertaining than it was informative....which was rather frustrating, since I would have preferred someone more applicable to the field.

-t
 
Seriously?

Did they put him in a dunk-tank (good) or did someone let him talk? (very bad).

I didn't realize there were psychologists that respected him as remotely legitimate in any way.

It was quite the split down the middle....many people decided to not show up, but it was still packed. He talked about a bunch of stuff, and it was more entertaining than it was informative....which was rather frustrating, since I would have preferred someone more applicable to the field.

-t

ps. I've worked with some MFTs and DMFTs and they were very good at what they did, and I would definitely refer to them in their scope, but I think more severe pathology (much of which you WILL run into at a VA) would not be an ethical referral.
 
Scope of practice and scope of competance are two different things. Providing services to a patient in a hospital setting is within scope of practice for an MFT. Whether or not they can provide appropriate clinical care is another issue and is one each clinician, regardless of discipline, needs to question during each and every 90801.
 
I guess I am conflicted about some of the ideas presented here and including the article. Most folks around here should know by now that I am an LPC, a masters level clinician. Some of my thoughts and no I am not trying to start a flame war or get nasty with anyone.

1. Sometimes masters degree seem to be handed out like candy at a picnic, too dam easy to get thereby producing to many lousy practioners that would not know their elbow from thier ...

2. Becoming a Phd/PsyD requires an immense amount of effort/time/finances, regardless of the few free rides that get discussed around here. Look at the GPA, experience, and research that some of the folks come to the board and say look at my stats can I get in.

I agree it should be hard, it should require effort to produce a competent clinician. Yes there are good clinicians in each of the fields. I think the honesty bare bones problem is...population. There are so many people out there that are in need of mental health treatment. Following WW2, not enough psychiatrists to serve the populus, thereby leading to a rise in PhD PsyD practioners. The same has occured over the last 20 years with masters level clinicians. Yes economics play a major factor masters level are cheaper, so agencies and hospitals will pay for them.

Some more opinion (i know that is exactly what everyone wanted). The APA should have done a better job looking out for there members.

I came to this thread seeking fellowship and community with other like minded folks away from general public answer seekers. Instead I have found most threads about being able to get into a PhD/PsyD program or gripping about masters level. There are a rare few scholarly threads discussions, I hope that we can all get off of high and mighty horses. Some scholarly thread ideas...

1. Vagus nerve stimulation to treat Major Depression
2. Quick and easy methods to determine malingering in an intial clinical interview
3. Clinical pearls of wisdom to share with patients/clients
4. Good ways for the provider to blow of stress

I guess that is all I have for now. Sorry if I have offended that was not my intent, I am just tired of seeing people bash each other and then try to say "well some of my best friends are...."

Jeff
 
Some scholarly thread ideas...

1. Vagus nerve stimulation to treat Major Depression
2. Quick and easy methods to determine malingering in an intial clinical interview
3. Clinical pearls of wisdom to share with patients/clients
4. Good ways for the provider to blow of stress

Please feel free to start a new thread with one of your ideas. I've been trying to get more scholarly threads going, and have had mixed results. I'd like to get more active discussions about research AND clinical practice. It is a bit tough for some to address the clinical work, since many haven't gotten there yet.....but the research part we should be able to do, and we can work on the clinical stuff as people move through their programs.

-t
 
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