Miami vs Yale

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I'm having a difficult time deciding on which program to rank higher - Miami/Jackson or Yale. I'm from Miami so I'm familiar with the area so I'm more interested in reputation, training, smarter move for the career. I'm undecided about a fellowship route - I think it'll depend on the market at that time. (Meaning that if the market for private practice is still good - I'd go for it while it's still hot.) Any advice would be appreciated!
 
Miami all the way, I actually felt opportunities, reputation, and program was 10 times better than Yale.

Yale just has the name... both places you will be worked though.
 
Miami all the way, I actually felt opportunities, reputation, and program was 10 times better than Yale.

Yale just has the name... both places you will be worked though.

Both programs have their plusses and minuses, but I'd say Yale definitely beats out Miami.

Name, Yale wins.
Location, Miami wins.
Research, Yale wins.
Opportunities..within academics? Yale.
Within PP? Any gas prog.
Miami's workload kills the residents for no good reason, as a comparison, see the Yale post by Don8455 earlier this week.
One is in the capital of the carib, one is 45 minutes by train outside of the capital of the world.
Both have diversity of patients, but expect to be fluent in spanish at Miami, at Yale, English will do.

What else are you looking at when comparing programs?
 
Hmmm well Yale is known for being uptight and malignant and certainly seemed so on the interview day.

Miami everyone was very relaxed, happy, down-to-Earth, and they know how to party for sure.
 
Hmmm well Yale is known for being uptight and malignant and certainly seemed so on the interview day.

Miami everyone was very relaxed, happy, down-to-Earth, and they know how to party for sure.

Yale's being "known for uptight and malignancy" doesn't mean that Miami is "10 times better in opportunities". Besides, that description goes against everything I've ever seen posted on SDN, and when I interviewed there, was definitely the opposite. In fact, when I interviewed there last year, it was one of the most laid back, resident friendly programs I encountered.

Funny how these drive-by posts always come out around the match list deadline. :laugh::laugh: Kinda like the UF fiasco a few weeks ago.
 
what are you implying that i'm trying to gun into a yale spot by making stuff up.

ridiculous.

i'm just giving my honest opinion as someone who wants to have good time in a cosmopolitan city and find a sweet job after i'm done in a cosmopolitan city... i guess "opportunities" are different depending on who you are and how you live your personal life.
 
Thanks for the replies. I've been reading the forums since December trying to gather as much info as I can - so I do appreciate it. I think my last minute post is just me getting nervous with the deadline fast approaching.

In regards to reputation - I'm not so convinced that Miami has a great reputation outside of the southeast/Florida. Most people I've come in contact with outside of FL know of the program because its the largest but not many people know how good the program is. I had a great day at both programs and I don't think either were uptight or malignant. I know Miami focuses a lot on numbers though (AKT's during residency). I also know I'll be working my butt off at both programs.

Ahh the decisions! Thanks again.
 
Both programs have their plusses and minuses, but I'd say Yale definitely beats out Miami.

Name, Yale wins.
Location, Miami wins.
Research, Yale wins.
Opportunities..within academics? Yale.
Within PP? Any gas prog.
Miami's workload kills the residents for no good reason, as a comparison, see the Yale post by Don8455 earlier this week.
One is in the capital of the carib, one is 45 minutes by train outside of the capital of the world.
Both have diversity of patients, but expect to be fluent in spanish at Miami, at Yale, English will do.

What else are you looking at when comparing programs?

Hi Coastie - Are you at Yale? I'm just curious to know where you're at or from cause I wanted to know if UM had a reputation outside of Florida. I think it's a good program that's only getting better but right now I am still leaning towards Yale.
 
I interviewed at Yale last year, have buddies at both programs, and am currently on the East Coast. PM me for more info.

Hi Coastie - Are you at Yale? I'm just curious to know where you're at or from cause I wanted to know if UM had a reputation outside of Florida. I think it's a good program that's only getting better but right now I am still leaning towards Yale.
 
For what it's worth I go to a prestigious CA MD school and everyone here pretty much thinks of both Miami and Yale as very prestigious reputable programs... I think it is a matter of personal preference and lifestyle etc.
 
I'm a current resident at Miami and we work 50-60 hours per week on average. If you think that is "malignant" then I think you have to rethink your standards and remember you are in residency.
 

You are right, what would I know....I'm only a resident here.

Low to mid 60's per week. The exception is the dreaded weekday+weekend call week where you will be in the mid-70's. Happens once a month.

I have no incentive to lie on this board, as your eye-rolling implies.
 
the eye roll was for coastie implying that my posts are attempts to influence how people rank things at the last minute versus my opinion/preferences
 
i interviewed at both. along with other solid schools.

i did a month @ jackson.

basically the skinny is....
miami is one of the top 2 CLINICAL programs in the country. You rotate thru 9 different hospitals and see everything you could possibly see in private practice. the chairman has the program headed in the right direction (umiami had one of the most amount of papers at this years ASA). the residents are unionized. plus you live in miami for 4 years.

yale - great academic program. great name. new haven sucks as a "city". their pain program and regional exposure are terrible. ok at transplant.

if you want to do academic anesthesia I would suggest yale.

if you want to become a badass clinical anesthesiologist you go to umiami.

if you wanna party with me next year... go to umiami. 🙂

i ranked it #1, followed by columbia, mgh, ucla, uc irvine... yale was last on my list. 🙂
 
UM is unmatched in clinical experience...your exposure to medical conditions from numerous countries will leave you picking up your jaw.. trauma unit is unbeatable. The military trains their response trauma teams at UM.
 
Miami baby! See you in June!
 
i interviewed at both. along with other solid schools.

i did a month @ jackson.

basically the skinny is....
miami is one of the top 2 CLINICAL programs in the country. You rotate thru 9 different hospitals and see everything you could possibly see in private practice. the chairman has the program headed in the right direction (umiami had one of the most amount of papers at this years ASA). the residents are unionized. plus you live in miami for 4 years.

yale - great academic program. great name. new haven sucks as a "city". their pain program and regional exposure are terrible. ok at transplant.

if you want to do academic anesthesia I would suggest yale.

if you want to become a badass clinical anesthesiologist you go to umiami.

if you wanna party with me next year... go to umiami. 🙂

i ranked it #1, followed by columbia, mgh, ucla, uc irvine... yale was last on my list. 🙂

I have heard the Yale chair leaving over some CRNA issue. Apparently the hospital is going to hire 20 new CRNAs for the cancer hospital they are about to open. The program is going down hill........stay away with all the CRNAs coming............
 
I'd personally select the program where this dude went:

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The following is a post I made a few months regarding Miami in another thread with another topic. I thought it might help here so I cut and paste.

I graduated from Jackson so I will put in my two cents – okay five.

Like any program they want to attract good candidates that really want to be there, so make sure to let them know you want to match – that they are your first choice. (It would not hurt to send a letter to this effect to the PD before you submit for the match.) They are getting tougher on their step 1 score cutoff as the program has been steadily getting more competitive as its reputation improves. (ACGME just gave another 5 year cycle.) The Chair is highly respected in the academic community and is as much a businessman as he is a doctor, and this has served the program well. He has been very hands on regarding overall quality control and this has been noticeably starting to pay off over the past few years.

As for being a workhorse program, it depends on the rotation. (There are 3 that I can think of.) At the end of your OB month you will be dead, no kidding, but you will have been HANDS ON. Main OR can be tough as well, but the peelout list keeps things fair – out at 3:00 one day, there till 7:00 the next. Cardiac is the third sleep killer. They do hearts at three separate locations and again, you will work very long, hard hours. Those are the three really tough rotations. Everything else is hit and miss, but I only felt overworked a few days month during other rotations.

Positives: HUGE case load. The Jackson hospital system is massive and is certainly why it has the largest anesthesia residency in the world. Jackson is also also the #1 liver transplant service in the nation, so along these lines if you want exposure to highly complicated cases by the truckload they are there waiting for you.

Some of the best OB anesthesia training you can get because of two things. Complicated deliveries in the area are referred to Jackson from other hospitals, and an extraordinary average of 30 -40 deliveries occur every 24hrs. Residents work their asses off and get more spinal and epidural numbers than you can imagine. Secondly, Dr. David Birnbach – one of the greats who wrote the book on OB anesthesia- has ran OB Anes for many years. His lectures are legendary, but he may be not be doing as many now that he has changed positions.

Trauma: There is no question, and few would argue, there is no place like Jackson for trauma anesthesia. This is perhaps where the Jackson program is most highly regarded. However, you need a little of the ‘Top Gun’ chest pounding mentality to fit when working in that department.

Lastly, because of the size of the program, the weekly didactics are taken very seriously. As an example, compared to smaller programs, Grand Rounds at Jackson are attended by 90 to 100 residents and dozens of attendings. As a result the main lectures are exceptional most of the time with highly regarded guest speakers frequently giving presentations. Also because of the size, CA1’s, 2’s and 3’s have their own separate weekly lectures. Very few if any other programs offer this feature and I felt it was very helpful in the educational process. (Last year board pass rate was 95% and with 30 residents per class that is saying something. Many of the residents in my class had IST pass scores at the end of CA2 year and several at the end of CA1. )

Negatives: Regional exposure is not what it should be. They are working on it, but the way things are set up residents are simply not getting their numbers during the one month rotation. As a result it is frequently asked for as an elective, but there is not much extra time that can be given so most graduate light.

With such a large program it can be easy to get lost in the crowd, and conversely harder to stand out. It does have certain high-school like qualities as cliques are formed among residents and even attendings. If you get a bad reputation for being lazy, or incompetent, you will have to work VERY hard to overcome it because you won’t regularly work with the same people. Of course there is also a certain amount of politics that must be contended with, but I suppose every program could say the same.

Although I worked very hard there, overall I am very satisfied with the training experience I received at Jackson - and I love living in Miami.

If you want to know more feel free to send me a PM.
 
I have heard the Yale chair leaving over some CRNA issue. Apparently the hospital is going to hire 20 new CRNAs for the cancer hospital they are about to open. The program is going down hill........stay away with all the CRNAs coming............

What?

Chair is lovely. She's getting CRNAs (8 by January which is a victory for her that has taken many months of effort) in the attempt to save residents for big cases and to get us out of the hospital earlier and to accommodate the new Smilow Cancer Center. This new center, btw means the surgery program (especially onc and transplant) is growing by leaps and bounds. GREAT time to check out Yale.
 
What I can tell you about Yale is that it's a place where you're going to work hard, but learn a lot. If you are looking for a place that relieves you at 3pm, this is certainly not the place; you should know that upfront. Indeed the chair is hiring CRNAs to get us out earlier, and to make it possible for us to chose the cases we do. But this is absolutely a great place to learn this specialty; when they are done with you, there will be little you have not had seen.
 
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