Michigan (state of) - Internal Medicine

[docdionne]

Hey all,

Third year med student in New England looking to head back to Michigan for fourth year and an internal medicine residency.

I'm being told repeatedly to go for the large, academic centers for residency (UM, Beaumont, Henry Ford) - but is there something to be said for a small, suburban program? While I do want a great education, I also don't want to be pressured to do research, and I really do appreciate small town life. And what exactly would make the education better at these bigger places? Is it just more pathology? Theoretically smarter attendings?

I've been looking at Hurley, Huron Valley Sinai, and Crittenton. Does anyone have any thoughts about the smaller IM programs in Michigan?

I appreciate all responses - even if you decide to call me lazy for not wanting to do research during residency.

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[obiwan]

Just do yourself a favor and make Ann Arbor your top choice if youre looking to stay in Michigan and get an interview. I would have had it not been for the actual blizzard that was happening during my interview

 

[henge]

Just do yourself a favor and make Ann Arbor your top choice if youre looking to stay in Michigan and get an interview. I would have had it not been for the actual blizzard that was happening during my interview

None of those pr

Hey all,

Third year med student in New England looking to head back to Michigan for fourth year and an internal medicine residency.

I'm being told repeatedly to go for the large, academic centers for residency (UM, Beaumont, Henry Ford) - but is there something to be said for a small, suburban program? While I do want a great education, I also don't want to be pressured to do research, and I really do appreciate small town life. And what exactly would make the education better at these bigger places? Is it just more pathology? Theoretically smarter attendings?

I've been looking at Hurley, Huron Valley Sinai, and Crittenton. Does anyone have any thoughts about the smaller IM programs in Michigan?

I appreciate all responses - even if you decide to call me lazy for not wanting to do research during residency.

None of those programs is in a small town. Crittenton is in Rochester and Huron Valley Sinai is in Commerce, both relatively upscale suburbs of Detroit. Hurley is in Flint, a depressed industrial town now famous for leaded water. The pediatrician who blew open the lead issue is a Hurley doc. Hurley is a city hospital, and Flint's finances are extremely poor. DMC, which owns HVS, has also had some financial difficulties in the past, though its acquisition by Vanguard may have solidified its position. Every now and again, rumors float about Crittenton being acquired by another larger hospital system.

 

[CatFactorial]

Hey all,

Third year med student in New England looking to head back to Michigan for fourth year and an internal medicine residency.

I'm being told repeatedly to go for the large, academic centers for residency (UM, Beaumont, Henry Ford) - but is there something to be said for a small, suburban program? While I do want a great education, I also don't want to be pressured to do research, and I really do appreciate small town life. And what exactly would make the education better at these bigger places? Is it just more pathology? Theoretically smarter attendings?

I've been looking at Hurley, Huron Valley Sinai, and Crittenton. Does anyone have any thoughts about the smaller IM programs in Michigan?

I appreciate all responses - even if you decide to call me lazy for not wanting to do research during residency.

Getting trained in an overwhelming setting is useful! If the small-town offerings can provide that then great. I say go for the large academic centers. Easier to go from large academic to small town settings than vice versa.

 

[docdionne]

Just do yourself a favor and make Ann Arbor your top choice if youre looking to stay in Michigan and get an interview. I would have had it not been for the actual blizzard that was happening during my interview

Such a bummer! Michigan weather... Hope you ended up somewhere great!

 

[docdionne]

None of those pr

None of those programs is in a small town. Crittenton is in Rochester and Huron Valley Sinai is in Commerce, both relatively upscale suburbs of Detroit. Hurley is in Flint, a depressed industrial town now famous for leaded water. The pediatrician who blew open the lead issue is a Hurley doc. Hurley is a city hospital, and Flint's finances are extremely poor. DMC, which owns HVS, has also had some financial difficulties in the past, though its acquisition by Vanguard may have solidified its position. Every now and again, rumors float about Crittenton being acquired by another larger hospital system.

Thank you for all of this information! I definitely feel out of the loop on this stuff. I know I'm not going to find a program in a small town, but I'd like to be able to live in the country and still have a reasonable drive to the hospital. Rochester, Commerce, Flint all seemed like this was more doable than a program in downtown Detroit. I'd love to hear any other thoughts you have on Michigan programs!

 

[docdionne]

Getting trained in an overwhelming setting is useful! If the small-town offerings can provide that then great. I say go for the large academic centers. Easier to go from large academic to small town settings than vice versa.

That definitely makes sense. Thank you for your response. I guess I'm scared of getting lost in the shuffle at a larger academic program. I feel like at a smaller program, it'd be easier to do what I wanted to do, learn what I wanted to learn, without having to elbow people. I wish I wasn't, but I'm kind of an eskimo.

 

[IMreshopeful]

That definitely makes sense. Thank you for your response. I guess I'm scared of getting lost in the shuffle at a larger academic program. I feel like at a smaller program, it'd be easier to do what I wanted to do, learn what I wanted to learn, without having to elbow people. I wish I wasn't, but I'm kind of an eskimo.

You shouldn't have to elbow people in a large program either if the program you're going to has decent didactics and good patient population variety