MIDWEST internal medicine residencies

[daseib]

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Hello all, i am looking for help searching through all the IM residencies in the midwest: from lets say nebraska, kansas, missouri, minnesota, iowa, illinois, kentucky, indiana, ohio, michigan, wisconsin and tennessee (so some not classically midwest, but as far as i will travel for residency at this point). I would like to know about the IM residencies so I can form a good list of where to send my ERAS apps to.
I have heard some good and some bad things about the following:
1. Cincinnati
2. Ohio State
3. Indiana
4. Wisconsin
5. Minnesota
6. Nebraska
7. Mephis
8. Kentucky
9. Louisville
10. St. Vincent's Indianapolis?
11. Michigan
12. Vanderbilt
13. Mayo
14. Cleveland Clinic
15. Iowa
16. Emory
17. UAB

can any PGYs fill me in on these or any others around the midwest that you are in now or in recent past, have been to interviews at or have heard from others you know there? particularly
1. calls during given month and how many call months out of 12 for year 1
2. malignancy of program (less teaching more scutwork, long hours, poor call schedule)
3. faculty teaching
4. hours per week typically
5. camaraderie
7. +/- about program
8. would you go there again?

if you know of a site other than (scutwork.com, which is hit or miss) or prior threads on all IM residencies or those in midwest, please let me know bc i cant find any after searching. I really want a place where i will manage ~6-7 patients tops as intern and be able to learn as much as possible but not spend my next 3 years at the hospital and get fat and old d/t eating the junk food at hospital and sitting on arse typing up H and Ps.
thanks all!

 

[Winged Scapula]

Moving to IM forum... (sorry guys)

 

[jdh71]

Hello all, i am looking for help searching through all the IM residencies in the midwest: from lets say nebraska, kansas, missouri, minnesota, iowa, illinois, kentucky, indiana, ohio, michigan, wisconsin and tennessee (so some not classically midwest, but as far as i will travel for residency at this point). I am an average student on paper with Step 1 206 and Step 2 234. I was pass for most of 1st 2 years and high pass and honors for clinical rotations. I would like to know about the IM residencies so I can form a good list of where to send my ERAS apps to.
I have heard some good and some bad things about the following:
1. Cincinnati
2. Ohio State
3. Indiana
4. Wisconsin
5. Minnesota
6. Nebraska
7. Mephis
8. Kentucky
9. Louisville
10. St. Vincent's Indianapolis?
11. Michigan
12. Vanderbilt (doubt i can get in there)

can any PGYs fill me in on these or any others around the midwest that you are in now or in recent past, have been to interviews at or have heard from others you know there? particularly
1. calls during given month and how many call months out of 12 for year 1
2. malignancy of program (less teaching more scutwork, long hours, poor call schedule)
3. faculty teaching
4. hours per week typically
5. camaraderie
7. +/- about program
8. would you go there again?

if you know of a site other than (scutwork.com, which is hit or miss) or prior threads on all IM residencies or those in midwest, please let me know bc i cant find any after searching. I really want a place where i will manage ~6-7 patients tops as intern and be able to learn as much as possible but not spend my next 3 years at the hospital and get fat and old d/t eating the junk food at hospital and sitting on arse typing up H and Ps.
thanks all!

I'll back to this one when I have more time . . . no Texas programs?

 

[Hernandez]

I'll back to this one when I have more time . . . no Texas programs?

Haven't you heard? Texas is a Southern state. 😀

 

[daseib]

Texas is a little too far for my blood! would love to live there tho! I know that most of the Texas residencies are tough to get into anyway...

 

[Roadrunner]

Okay, I'll fill you in on my program since I struggled to find similar info when I was looking 3 years ago. I'm a PGY3 at University of Kansas Medical Center (in Kansas City). I went to med school in the southwest and didn't have many people to ask about midwestern programs so I can feel your dilemma. To answer your questions:

1. Interns take short call (until 7pm) every other weekday night, long call (30hr call) 1-2 weekend days a month. Roughly 9-10 months are call months. PGY2,3 on inpatient rotations take weekday call once a week (until 7-8pm), no overnight calls, no 30hr shifts. Consult seniors take long call (8p-8a) once during their consult month on a weekend day. Night float covers the rest.
2. Very friendly, non-malignant program.
3. Excellent teaching at MR and decent teaching during rounds (faculty dependent of course).
4. Interns average 65-70 hours per week, seniors varies widely depending on rotation but about 55-65hrs (can be more, can be much less).
5. Great camaraderie, we do lots of social things together, the department provides a BIG chunk of money for resident social events (that don't involve faculty).
6. +s : very good environment, great fellow residents, very approachable easy-to-work with staff overall, good teaching, nice city to live in, affordable city to live in, very adherent to RRC rules, responsive PD and program to resident concerns
-s : growing hospital and program with expected growing pains (i.e. trying to keep expansion paced with staffing), slightly underpaid for the region, parking sucks, lack some fringe benefits like free gym membership
7. Yes, I'd go here again. For sure.

I can give you the quick and dirty about other residencies I interviewed at in the region. PM me if interested. Good luck!

 

[muscles]

Michigan
1. Call: interns take call q4, approximately 7-8 call months first year, including gen med, ICU, cardiac ICU, GI, heme-onc, pulmonary
2. Malignancy: no evidence of being malignant so far (everyone very nice, scut work minimized by Resident assistants whose fulltime job is to help residents with busywork)
3. Faculty teaching: attending dependent but the overwhelming majority have teaching rounds 3-4 times per week. GREAT morning and noon conferences
4. Hours: 70-75 if inpatient, 42 if ambulatory, 50-60 for consults
5. Camaraderie: everyone here is very nice
6. Come here again - yes
7. Pluses: its Michigan; great reputation, awesome research opportunities; we cap at 8 patients per intern, which is 4 less than the ACGME mandate of 12, this combined with the assistance of the RA's (resident assistants) really minimizes busy work. My wife and I are very happy about our choice because the hours are alittle more managable.
negatives - expensive to live here, have to pay to park, no book allowance, no snacks in callrooms

 

[BaylorLion]

I'm a resident at Vanderbilt currently - the size of the program really sets it apart from most of the other top programs, because every intern knows every other intern and probably most of the upper levels within the first month of residency. Most of the attendings and all the department leadership know the residents well, because there's just fewer of us to keep track of. Positives include the teaching - the attendings are VERY teaching focused, the outstanding Vanderbilt EMR and the strength of the medicine department in clinical care (esp. pulm/critical care, GI, renal, emergency (which we all rotate on for a month), clin pharm, endo and onc) and research (current #5 among all medicine depts for NIH funding). Nashville's really affordable and Vanderbilt pays well, and gives an orientation bonus and a LOT of freebies and benefits.

Negatives include the whole "can't wear scrubs on medicine ward calls until 5 pm and have to change out in the morning before rounds." I think it's silly. But you wear scrubs all the time in the intensive care units and the ED. I knew I was going to hate it when i was applying, but the other strengths were enough that I was willing to look past it. Some people really hate overnight call - I like it because you're there for that initial workup when everything happens and you can get started on social issues early - but I can appreciate the suckiness of having to stay at the hospital overnight and preferring to sleep in one's own bed. I think it's ultimately a style issue, and one that each person needs to decide on their own. If I was married and definitely if I had kids, I think night float would look a LOT better to me.

Feel free to shoot any questions. This program has its flaws, like any program, but I think it's academic strengths and the greatness of Nashville as a safe and relatively inexpensive city (and the ability to live within 5 minutes walking distance of Vanderbilt University Medical Center, as I do, and not live in the ghetto) are tough to beat - I didn't think they were beat at all. Get as much info as you can while you're applying.

 

[BaylorLion]

Oh, you should also be looking at Wash U.

 

[NURes]

I'm at UNMC (University of Nebraska Medical Center). Here's a brief overview of what I consider to be a hidden gem.

1. Call: On wards, call is in-house, but is home-call on most subspecialties (except ICU). Most interns do 5-6 months of wards and share call with the other intern on their team, so call is essentially q8. On some services (cards, hem/onc), home call can be problematic, but for the most part, home call isn't too bad. Our program is very adherent to the 30 hour rule and I've only come close to the 30 hour limit once (my very first call night at the VA).

2. Absolutely non-malignant.

3. Faculty teaching: There has been 100% IM Board pass rate for 10 yrs in a row. Teaching here is generally very good, both on the wards and in the ambulatory setting. There's only one service I've done where I didn't think the teaching was up to par. Wards teaching has always been strong.

4. Hours per week: Vary significantly, depending on service. For university wards, I averaged 60-65 hrs per week and 65-70 for VA wards (more in-house calls). Subspecialty services vary from 45-50 up to 75.

5. Camaraderie: Outstanding. This is the reason I chose to stay at UNMC instead of going to another program. There is no place I interviewed where the residents get along better than at UNMC. Lots of social get togethers. Most (~70%) are married and many of us have kids, so there's always a willingness to help each other out when things come up.

6. Pluses: camaraderie, supportive program directors, VA experience (sometimes frustrating but a very interesting patient population), lots of autonomy, off-campus resident only clinic (not competing with faculty for nurses/techs/patients/rooms etc), pay far above average, low cost of living in Omaha (most people own their own homes) with lots of free stuff to do and the department frequently gets tickets to other events

7. Minuses: there's lots of good research going on at UNMC, but unfortunately for residents, it takes significant effort on the part of the resident to become involved; not a "name" program nationally, but well-respected by those with any degree of familiarity with it

8. I would come here again without hesitation.

 

[theonecabby]

Anyone reading this a resident at the U of Minnesota and care to share some insight?

 

[daseib]

has put into this.... Will be interested to see if anyone else adds anything as we get closer to interviews or not.???

 

[witchbaby]

I am a resident at the University of Minnesota and overall I think it is a strong program. It is particularly great if you are interested in global health and if you prefer a night float system. I wrote the most recent review of it on scutwork as an intern last year and I stand by that assessment. If you have more specific questions, PM me.

Here's the scutwork link:

http://www.scutwork.com/cgi-bin/links/review.cgi?ID=291&d=1

 

[Thatsimpossible]

Hello all, i am looking for help searching through all the IM residencies in the midwest: from lets say nebraska, kansas, missouri, minnesota, iowa, illinois, kentucky, indiana, ohio, michigan, wisconsin and tennessee (so some not classically midwest, but as far as i will travel for residency at this point). I would like to know about the IM residencies so I can form a good list of where to send my ERAS apps to.
I have heard some good and some bad things about the following:
1. Cincinnati
2. Ohio State
3. Indiana
4. Wisconsin
5. Minnesota
6. Nebraska
7. Mephis
8. Kentucky
9. Louisville
10. St. Vincent's Indianapolis?
11. Michigan
12. Vanderbilt
13. Mayo
14. Cleveland Clinic
15. Iowa
16. Emory
17. UAB

can any PGYs fill me in on these or any others around the midwest that you are in now or in recent past, have been to interviews at or have heard from others you know there? particularly
1. calls during given month and how many call months out of 12 for year 1
2. malignancy of program (less teaching more scutwork, long hours, poor call schedule)
3. faculty teaching
4. hours per week typically
5. camaraderie
7. +/- about program
8. would you go there again?

if you know of a site other than (scutwork.com, which is hit or miss) or prior threads on all IM residencies or those in midwest, please let me know bc i cant find any after searching. I really want a place where i will manage ~6-7 patients tops as intern and be able to learn as much as possible but not spend my next 3 years at the hospital and get fat and old d/t eating the junk food at hospital and sitting on arse typing up H and Ps.
thanks all!

10. St. Vincent Indianapolis
1. PGY 1 #3 months general wards with Q5 call from 7am to 9pm(yes pm!) ICU 2 months 12 hour shifts 4 days off. Cards x1 Q3 call till 9pm. AVG pt load wards as intern 4-7 ( rarely 7), ICU 5-6, Cards varies however work load is less than wards.
2. STV Indy is most likely the LEAST malignant program in USA. I am a father of 4 and travel 1 hour to work and feel lucky! I call surgical consults and shoot the **** with them. I call specialty consults and get a lesson (a wanted lesson). The program director's door is always open and the guy in the chair is sharper than anyone I have ever met. The faculty on medicine and ICU months are the most friendly docs and are dedicated to teaching at every moment.
3. Unbelievable. Tremendous teaching, excellent IM board scores, >75% of class went on to fellowships from last years class! >95% placement in fellowships who applied. It is amazing what you can learn when you are in a respectful and dedicated environment.
4. 70 hour weeks on wards, similar in ICU, otherwise you are looking at 50 a week.
5. I get paged every week with parties. (I don't go b/c I'm a father of 4 and live 1 hour away). Sadly, I do see the pictures posted in Medical Education of the breww-haa-haa. OK, I am starting to get a little down.
6. or 7. Brand new IM clinic building where I wi-fi my scripts to the area CVS and EMR my entire visit with patients. Tertiary care center for all of IN w/o the ego of a Med center. (I went to school at the med center). Excellent exposure to disease. Excellent exposure to very rare disease. Heart hospital and largest sub-specialty group in the nation "The Care Group" cardiology.

I would definitely choose this program again and again. No other place compares.

 

[nasdr]

10. St. Vincent Indianapolis
1. PGY 1 #3 months general wards with Q5 call from 7am to 9pm(yes pm!) ICU 2 months 12 hour shifts 4 days off. Cards x1 Q3 call till 9pm. AVG pt load wards as intern 4-7 ( rarely 7), ICU 5-6, Cards varies however work load is less than wards.
2. STV Indy is most likely the LEAST malignant program in USA. I am a father of 4 and travel 1 hour to work and feel lucky! I call surgical consults and shoot the **** with them. I call specialty consults and get a lesson (a wanted lesson). The program director's door is always open and the guy in the chair is sharper than anyone I have ever met. The faculty on medicine and ICU months are the most friendly docs and are dedicated to teaching at every moment.
3. Unbelievable. Tremendous teaching, excellent IM board scores, >75% of class went on to fellowships from last years class! >95% placement in fellowships who applied. It is amazing what you can learn when you are in a respectful and dedicated environment.
4. 70 hour weeks on wards, similar in ICU, otherwise you are looking at 50 a week.
5. I get paged every week with parties. (I don't go b/c I'm a father of 4 and live 1 hour away). Sadly, I do see the pictures posted in Medical Education of the breww-haa-haa. OK, I am starting to get a little down.
6. or 7. Brand new IM clinic building where I wi-fi my scripts to the area CVS and EMR my entire visit with patients. Tertiary care center for all of IN w/o the ego of a Med center. (I went to school at the med center). Excellent exposure to disease. Excellent exposure to very rare disease. Heart hospital and largest sub-specialty group in the nation "The Care Group" cardiology.

I would definitely choose this program again and again. No other place compares.

from what i have heard, this program is a hidden gem. i know residents here that tell me this has been the best (1, 2, 3 years) of their life. i think it is somewhat rare for residents to speak like this on a daily basis. this program is about as anti-malignant as you can get, largely due to the PD and type of residents they take. everything written above is right on the money, esp with regard to the teaching. food during noon conference is apparently pretty awesome too.

my only concern is that for those people looking for a competitive fellowship or for those who want to go into academic medicine, it will likely be harder to get accepted from here since other programs outside of indiana dont really know anything about st. v's. otherwise, this is an awesome program to consider and apply to. just my thoughts.