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I did a search, but none of them actually fit my situation.

A year and a half ago, I got a minor consumption for drinking a beer. Some ***** lets a cop in on a noise complaint. I blew a .01 and got a ticket.

I went to court for about 30 seconds, got my case deferred, did the class and my case was dismissed. Technically, I have never been convicted of a misdemeanor.

Will this show up on the background check?
 
I did a search, but none of them actually fit my situation.

A year and a half ago, I got a minor consumption for drinking a beer. Some ***** lets a cop in on a noise complaint. I blew a .01 and got a ticket.

I went to court for about 30 seconds, got my case deferred, did the class and my case was dismissed. Technically, I have never been convicted of a misdemeanor.

Will this show up on the background check?

I don't think it will, unless you are applying for security clearance or the FBI, etc.. You can always pay to run a credit report yourself. This is the group that AMCAS uses, so I would assume they do a pretty thorough job.


https://www.applicationstation.com/home/home_as.asp
https://www.applicationstation.com/home/cal.asp?rc=CERTAP2011
 
I don't think it will, unless you are applying for security clearance or the FBI, etc.. You can always pay to run a credit report yourself. This is the group that AMCAS uses, so I would assume they do a pretty thorough job.


https://www.applicationstation.com/home/home_as.asp
https://www.applicationstation.com/home/cal.asp?rc=CERTAP2011

Think you mean criminal background check. You can always consult legal aide at your school if you are unsure about mentioning that information on your application.
 
Depends on the state were you got your ticket. In NC where I live it shouldn't show up on a background check as a misdemeanor but it will show up on a very "deep" criminal check. One that checks arreest and ticket reocords. Best thing= pay the fee and do a background on yourself and use the same company schools use.
 
I did a search, but none of them actually fit my situation.

A year and a half ago, I got a minor consumption for drinking a beer. Some ***** lets a cop in on a noise complaint. I blew a .01 and got a ticket.

I went to court for about 30 seconds, got my case deferred, did the class and my case was dismissed. Technically, I have never been convicted of a misdemeanor.

Will this show up on the background check?
Even if it does, they cannot deny you admissions based on this. Remember, the question is if you've ever been convicted of a crime. Since you have not, even if your record said you were cleared of murder you'd be good to go. The background checks happen AFTER they admit you, so you'd have legitimate grounds for a lawsuit if they deny you entry after.

And no, it will likely not show up.
 
Got in touch with my family's lawyer and he said it would show up on a background check. Thing is, since it was dismissed its basically like I was proven innocent, no harm no foul. However, he did mention traffic tickets that are not deferred are considered misdemeanors. Do I really have to report traffic tickets?
 
Got in touch with my family's lawyer and he said it would show up on a background check. Thing is, since it was dismissed its basically like I was proven innocent, no harm no foul. However, he did mention traffic tickets that are not deferred are considered misdemeanors. Do I really have to report traffic tickets?
Get in touch with a better lawyer. My understanding is only way a traffic ticket can become a misdemeanor is if you get summoned to court and don't show up, and even then, it's still a warrant for your arrest and they have to go through the process.
 
Got in touch with my family's lawyer and he said it would show up on a background check. Thing is, since it was dismissed its basically like I was proven innocent, no harm no foul. However, he did mention traffic tickets that are not deferred are considered misdemeanors. Do I really have to report traffic tickets?

Dude, follow the link I gave you above. You should have received the same link with your amcas application. It is for a background check. It is less than $150 and will show you exactly what the schools will see. Don't guess, know for sure.

https://www.applicationstation.com/home/cal.asp?rc=CERTAP2011
 
Let me save you some time:

1. You weren't convicted of it so you won't have to answer 'yes' on AMCAS or AACOMAS

2. it will come up (99% sure) in some capacity during the interview season. Whether it's a weird secondary that asks if you've ever been charged with ANYTHING (besides like a parking ticket) or a background check (in the age of electronic stuff, nothing is hidden) ... it will come up.

3. Here is your best bet:

1. accept that you're going to have to talk about it. It's really not the end of the world. I'm not condoning underage drinking, but ADCOMS are humans who went to college. As long as you don't show a pattern or get a DUI, it really shouldn't be an issue (I don't even think I can count on my hand the number of med students I know with some type of underage drinking violation).

2. Don't ever, ever lie about it, but only answer what you're asked. If a secondary asks if you've ever been convicted of a crime, you say 'no.' You don't say 'no, but once I received a ticket for minor consumption on ...' If they ask, you answer honestly. If they don't ask, it's because they don't care or want to know.

3. Take responsibility for it when asked. Don't try to blame the Po pos, don't try to say 'it was the first time I ever sipped a beer,' etc, explain that you were at a gathering with friends, chose to drink, cops came, you blew .01, were issued a ticket, went to court, and handled it responsibly. Then explain that you've grown from the situation, now consider consequences differently (ie: if I want to be a physician, I can't pull this bs), and do not feel the situation is reflective of your character.

If you're a strong applicant, it isn't going to hurt you. However, just accept the fact that it will come up (it will save you a lot of unnecessary and unfocused energy).

good luck!
 
Jagger is wrong.

If you look at the CIB, most schools are explicit that they run a background check before matriculation. This means that you will go to your interview and they would have not run any background check on you. Remember, no private institution can run a background check on you unless you give written consent. They will first accept you, and then you will let them run a background check. Since you were never convicted of the crime, you will NOT have a problem. The school can't kick you out saying "well, you followed our rules of no convictions or criminal record, but since you were accused, and though we never asked for this information, we will now rescind our offer."

Other schools require a background check at the time of clinical rotations. Look into the CIB if you don't believe me.
 
Jagger is wrong.

Nope. As someone who has gone through the application process and researched this extensively, I can guarantee you that I'm not.

If you look at the CIB, most schools are explicit that they run a background check before matriculation. This means that you will go to your interview and they would have not run any background check on you. Remember, no private institution can run a background check on you unless you give written consent. They will first accept you, and then you will let them run a background check. Since you were never convicted of the crime, you will NOT have a problem. The school can't kick you out saying "well, you followed our rules of no convictions or criminal record, but since you were accused, and though we never asked for this information, we will now rescind our offer."

Did you not read my post at all? As long as you answer honestly, you are fine. If they ask, 'have you ever been convicted of a misdemeanor,' you can honestly say no. If they run the background check and the charge pops up (it will), what are they going to do? They asked, you answered. If the school gets bugged, it should be with how they asked the question. You are essentially saying the exact same thing I am.

Other schools require a background check at the time of clinical rotations. Look into the CIB if you don't believe me.

All schools require it at some point ... most probably will ask for one before year one and before year 3 (based on what the rotation sites want).
 
Jagger is technically right.

Whether schools require a statewide background check or a nationwide FBI background check I think depends on the school upon matriculation but hospitals themselves will require a background check from a third party prior to the start of your rotations. I believe your school's portal will direct you to the site of a third party background check service that all of your school's core teaching affiliates will require.

That said, there is a guy in my program that had a DUI when he was 18 and it has been overlooked (he's 27 now). I know of other people who have classmates that have been convicted of DUIs as well so even if it surfaces, know that others who have been convicted have gained leniency from schools while you had yours dismissed.
 
Let me save you some time:

1. You weren't convicted of it so you won't have to answer 'yes' on AMCAS or AACOMAS

2. it will come up (99% sure) in some capacity during the interview season. Whether it's a weird secondary that asks if you've ever been charged with ANYTHING (besides like a parking ticket) or a background check (in the age of electronic stuff, nothing is hidden) ... it will come up.

3. Here is your best bet:

1. accept that you're going to have to talk about it. It's really not the end of the world. I'm not condoning underage drinking, but ADCOMS are humans who went to college. As long as you don't show a pattern or get a DUI, it really shouldn't be an issue (I don't even think I can count on my hand the number of med students I know with some type of underage drinking violation).

2. Don't ever, ever lie about it, but only answer what you're asked. If a secondary asks if you've ever been convicted of a crime, you say 'no.' You don't say 'no, but once I received a ticket for minor consumption on ...' If they ask, you answer honestly. If they don't ask, it's because they don't care or want to know.

3. Take responsibility for it when asked. Don't try to blame the Po pos, don't try to say 'it was the first time I ever sipped a beer,' etc, explain that you were at a gathering with friends, chose to drink, cops came, you blew .01, were issued a ticket, went to court, and handled it responsibly. Then explain that you've grown from the situation, now consider consequences differently (ie: if I want to be a physician, I can't pull this bs), and do not feel the situation is reflective of your character.

If you're a strong applicant, it isn't going to hurt you. However, just accept the fact that it will come up (it will save you a lot of unnecessary and unfocused energy).

good luck!


The bolded is not necessarily true of deferred sentences. Those require a very thorough review and access to your background not typically available to companies outside of state or government agencies.

The rest is good advice, but the kid needs to pull his own background report. Why would you guys even tell him to do this without pulling it? That makes no sense. If it's not there, he doesn't need to discuss it AT ALL!
 
Nope. As someone who has gone through the application process and researched this extensively, I can guarantee you that I'm not.



Did you not read my post at all? As long as you answer honestly, you are fine. If they ask, 'have you ever been convicted of a misdemeanor,' you can honestly say no. If they run the background check and the charge pops up (it will), what are they going to do? They asked, you answered. If the school gets bugged, it should be with how they asked the question. You are essentially saying the exact same thing I am.



All schools require it at some point ... most probably will ask for one before year one and before year 3 (based on what the rotation sites want).
You missed my entire point because you didn't bother to read. You are wrong in that it will come up in the interview. They will not run a background check prior to your interview. You know how much money the school would waste if they did that? What they will do is interview you, accept you, and AFTER this, but before matriculation, they will run a real background check on you. Remember, you MUST agree to a background check before they can even run it. Therefore, it will not come up in interview at all. The school cannot ask him for details to be "honest" about a dismissed record once he's been accepted. He can say "that's personal" and the school will have to take it. There's no grounds for dismissal since there's been no deception.
 
You missed my entire point because you didn't bother to read. You are wrong in that it will come up in the interview. They will not run a background check prior to your interview. You know how much money the school would waste if they did that? What they will do is interview you, accept you, and AFTER this, but before matriculation, they will run a real background check on you. Remember, you MUST agree to a background check before they can even run it. Therefore, it will not come up in interview at all. The school cannot ask him for details to be "honest" about a dismissed record once he's been accepted. He can say "that's personal" and the school will have to take it. There's no grounds for dismissal since there's been no deception.

I think you're missing his point.

Several, if not most, secondaries ask if you've had ANY legal issues.

I think they'd about laugh at seeing this listed. You had a beer as an 18 year old?! WTF?!?! But the honesty of it is commendable.

THEY KNOW PEOPLE DRINK. It's actually been a huge surprise as to how open the faculty is up here about it. I can't imagine anyone is going to deny you for having had a beer, even if it were as a minor. 99% of the people they admit had a beer as a minor.
 
I think you're missing his point.

Several, if not most, secondaries ask if you've had ANY legal issues.

I think they'd about laugh at seeing this listed. You had a beer as an 18 year old?! WTF?!?! But the honesty of it is commendable.

THEY KNOW PEOPLE DRINK. It's actually been a huge surprise as to how open the faculty is up here about it. I can't imagine anyone is going to deny you for having had a beer, even if it were as a minor. 99% of the people they admit had a beer as a minor.
If that happens, he should answer accordingly, but if it's not a part of the application, he should not.

Could you post the wording of any secondaries that do this?
 
When I was 18, got a ticket for open bottle of alcohol in public. Paid the fine. Never showed up on the criminal background check.
 
Whoa dudes, didn't expect this much input. Thanks a lot.

I'm really not concerned about the traffic tickets. Everyone gets traffic tickets. What I was really asking is that since I have one or two that were not deferred, do I have to report them as misdemeanors? I just don't want a background check to be run and then some stupid traffic tickets show up and adcoms think, "hmm he didn't report these. Why not?" Just a situation I'd rather avoid.

I will no doubt own up to this drinking thing if it is ever bought up. I'm not sitting here ****ting my pants over this haha. I just wanted to be prepared for it.

Thanks again dudes.
 
Whoa dudes, didn't expect this much input. Thanks a lot.

I'm really not concerned about the traffic tickets. Everyone gets traffic tickets. What I was really asking is that since I have one or two that were not deferred, do I have to report them as misdemeanors? I just don't want a background check to be run and then some stupid traffic tickets show up and adcoms think, "hmm he didn't report these. Why not?" Just a situation I'd rather avoid.

I will no doubt own up to this drinking thing if it is ever bought up. I'm not sitting here ****ting my pants over this haha. I just wanted to be prepared for it.

Thanks again dudes.
Traffic tickets are not considered misdemeanors, but please, don't take my word for it. Call your local police dept or county office and you will verify this.
 
Traffic tickets are not considered misdemeanors, but please, don't take my word for it. Call your local police dept or county office and you will verify this.

Yes yes...def make sure whatever you were charged with wasnt just a simple violation. Some jurisdictions may have speeding tickets listed as misdemeanors as opposed to violations.

But in regards to your and jaggers arguement. You are right, most schools will not have you do a background check prior to matriculation. For example, I had to pay like 100 dollars to have a background check run on myself AFTER I paid my fees and what not. It was part of my matriculation paperwork (vaccinations, physical, etc). So they wouldnt know at interview

But jagger is basically trying to say the school will find out about it potentially. And I dunno about you, I would rather be transparent about my life and get accepted with the school knowing about my past...than try to hide something that may or may not show up and slug it out in court with a school. (not saying I have anything from my past to hide...never once gotten arrested or a ticket for anything other than traffic violations...of which i have prob. 15 over the years 🙂)

So OP...dont fret about this stuff....and just read the wording carefully. Were you convicted of a misdemeanor? NO

Were you charged at some point with one? Yes

Either way...no adcom is going to care about this as long as you dont rack up 15 of them prior to med school. And as some poster above me wrote...med school adcoms are prettttty lax about drinking trust me. We have post exam parties at my school which are advertised using the schools e mail, and on campus. And by post exam party I mean "take your test, go home and shower, and then come to the bar and proceed to drink copious amounts of alcohol till you vomit, and then fck 5 of your classmates." Yeah, like that. lol
 
You missed my entire point because you didn't bother to read. You are wrong in that it will come up in the interview. They will not run a background check prior to your interview. You know how much money the school would waste if they did that? What they will do is interview you, accept you, and AFTER this, but before matriculation, they will run a real background check on you. Remember, you MUST agree to a background check before they can even run it. Therefore, it will not come up in interview at all. The school cannot ask him for details to be "honest" about a dismissed record once he's been accepted. He can say "that's personal" and the school will have to take it. There's no grounds for dismissal since there's been no deception.

Come up in the 'interview process,' not the interview itself. Of course they don't run background checks on every applicant before they interview. That's absurd and I never claimed anything close to the fact. HOWEVER, like I said before (if you would have read), I had various secondaries ask:

'have you ever been charged with a crime (include everything except parking violation)'

etc

In this instance, it will come up in the actual interview and you will have to talk about it. Again, answer honestly WHEN asked and expect it to come up in some capacity during the INTERVIEW PROCESS (ie: between filling out AACOMAS to matriculation)

If that happens, he should answer accordingly, but if it's not a part of the application, he should not.

Could you post the wording of any secondaries that do this?
 
The bolded is not necessarily true of deferred sentences. Those require a very thorough review and access to your background not typically available to companies outside of state or government agencies.

The rest is good advice, but the kid needs to pull his own background report. Why would you guys even tell him to do this without pulling it? That makes no sense. If it's not there, he doesn't need to discuss it AT ALL!

There is no point in doing a background check yourself. There are two outcomes: it will come up, or it won't. Even if it 'doesn't come up' on the background check that he personally does, he should still be honest when asked about it. If it comes up 2 years down the road when the hospital you're doing rotations at runs a deeper one, you could easily be dismissed from school. You sign a contract agreeing to this.

You know what could show up in the report. You have to be honest regardless because the consequences of trying to lie and squeak by are a MILLION times worse than admitting you got a ticket for drinking a beer.
 
There is no point in doing a background check yourself. There are two outcomes: it will come up, or it won't. Even if it 'doesn't come up' on the background check that he personally does, he should still be honest when asked about it. If it comes up 2 years down the road when the hospital you're doing rotations at runs a deeper one, you could easily be dismissed from school. You sign a contract agreeing to this.

You know what could show up in the report. You have to be honest regardless because the consequences of trying to lie and squeak by are a MILLION times worse than admitting you got a ticket for drinking a beer.


Dude, if it doesn't show up on the background report I posted, then it's not going to show up when a hospital runs a background check. The whole point was that his sentence was deferred, so he doesn't know if it will show up or not.
 
Come up in the 'interview process,' not the interview itself. Of course they don't run background checks on every applicant before they interview. That's absurd and I never claimed anything close to the fact. HOWEVER, like I said before (if you would have read), I had various secondaries ask:

'have you ever been charged with a crime (include everything except parking violation)'

etc

In this instance, it will come up in the actual interview and you will have to talk about it. Again, answer honestly WHEN asked and expect it to come up in some capacity during the INTERVIEW PROCESS (ie: between filling out AACOMAS to matriculation)
Now you're stretching. "Interview process" also includes the background check just before matriculation? Please. Just admit you were wrong.

You said 99% sure it will come up. Clearly that's not the case because not all secondaries are like that.
 
Dude, if it doesn't show up on the background report I posted, then it's not going to show up when a hospital runs a background check. The whole point was that his sentence was deferred, so he doesn't know if it will show up or not.

Background check is a huge blanket term and trust me, they are not all made equally. Health care workers are required to go through very strict checks, and it's actually quite likely that something wouldn't show up when the school did it, but would when the hospital runs it, simply because they ordered a much more detailed check. Don't bank on it not being there.

Listen, it's pretty simple: when asked, answer honestly. Don't lie. Even if the background check you ordered doesn't show it, it could come up in some capacity later and you could be dismissed for it. Does that seem worth it to you??

Now you're stretching. "Interview process" also includes the background check just before matriculation? Please. Just admit you were wrong.

You said 99% sure it will come up. Clearly that's not the case because not all secondaries are like that.

Your reading comprehension skills are pathetic. Good luck on that VR section. Let me see if I can dumb it down a bit for you:

1. Interview process (for my purposes) has always referred to AACOMAS through matriculation. It's what I've always called it. I suppose I should have said 'application process.' Go back and note how I even mentioned the secondary as being within the confines of the 'interview process.' This alone confirms what I was saying.

2. I never once claimed they would background check anyone before an interview. You inferred that because you aren't good at this game.

3. I am 99% sure it will come up at some point during the 'application process,' which includes a background check prior to matriculation. Do you even understand how easy it is to find this type of stuff in the age of the internet, electronic records, etc? You get the ticket, the cop puts it into some electronic database; you go to court, they put it in their electronic database 2-4 times (every time you go, there is a new record that involves the ticket and is up in there); you pay a fine to the city, court, etc, and, shocker, that gets put into an electronic data base. See how easily it would be for some professional background company to stumble upon any of these???

However, if you answer the questions HONESTLY when they are asked, you have nothing to worry about when it pops up. If they don't specifically ask and it comes up, then there is nothing that can be done about it. However, if they do ask and you lie because the $12 background check you ordered off craigslist didn't show it ... you can be dismissed or have your acceptance revoked. Do you think it's worth risking this several times all so you don't 'ruin your chances' by explaining a beer ticket.

4. Even if all secondaries don't include these questions (not all of them do, maybe 50%), the '99%' I threw around referred to the fact that it will come up on the background check, which will be performed before matriculation. If you were never asked about it (on the secondary, in an interview, etc), then you're fine. Again, I've said this multiple times. Just because you don't suffer consequences from it, doesn't mean it won't show up/come up on the background check.


5. I've been through the process ... you haven't. Trust me when I say that I know how the process works.
 
Background check is a huge blanket term and trust me, they are not all made equally. Health care workers are required to go through very strict checks, and it's actually quite likely that something wouldn't show up when the school did it, but would when the hospital runs it, simply because they ordered a much more detailed check. Don't bank on it not being there.

Listen, it's pretty simple: when asked, answer honestly. Don't lie. Even if the background check you ordered doesn't show it, it could come up in some capacity later and you could be dismissed for it. Does that seem worth it to you??



Your reading comprehension skills are pathetic. Good luck on that VR section. Let me see if I can dumb it down a bit for you:

1. Interview process (for my purposes) has always referred to AACOMAS through matriculation. It's what I've always called it. I suppose I should have said 'application process.' Go back and note how I even mentioned the secondary as being within the confines of the 'interview process.' This alone confirms what I was saying.

2. I never once claimed they would background check anyone before an interview. You inferred that because you aren't good at this game.

3. I am 99% sure it will come up at some point during the 'application process,' which includes a background check prior to matriculation. Do you even understand how easy it is to find this type of stuff in the age of the internet, electronic records, etc? You get the ticket, the cop puts it into some electronic database; you go to court, they put it in their electronic database 2-4 times (every time you go, there is a new record that involves the ticket and is up in there); you pay a fine to the city, court, etc, and, shocker, that gets put into an electronic data base. See how easily it would be for some professional background company to stumble upon any of these???

However, if you answer the questions HONESTLY when they are asked, you have nothing to worry about when it pops up. If they don't specifically ask and it comes up, then there is nothing that can be done about it. However, if they do ask and you lie because the $12 background check you ordered off craigslist didn't show it ... you can be dismissed or have your acceptance revoked. Do you think it's worth risking this several times all so you don't 'ruin your chances' by explaining a beer ticket.

4. Even if all secondaries don't include these questions (not all of them do, maybe 50%), the '99%' I threw around referred to the fact that it will come up on the background check, which will be performed before matriculation. If you were never asked about it (on the secondary, in an interview, etc), then you're fine. Again, I've said this multiple times. Just because you don't suffer consequences from it, doesn't mean it won't show up/come up on the background check.


5. I've been through the process ... you haven't. Trust me when I say that I know how the process works.

Come on jagger...you know that the more actual medical school experience you have...the less credibile you become on SDN.


Guys! Regardless of whether things come up on your pee wee version of the background check is meaningless. There are plenty of background check companies and I am sure they use a wide variety of resources to pull their information from. Got it? All jagger is trying to say is be fcking honest when you are applying...christ!
 
Come on jagger...you know that the more actual medical school experience you have...the less credibile you become on SDN.


Guys! Regardless of whether things come up on your pee wee version of the background check is meaningless. There are plenty of background check companies and I am sure they use a wide variety of resources to pull their information from. Got it? All jagger is trying to say is be fcking honest when you are applying...christ!

Wheww ... thank you.
 
Wheww ... thank you.


MIP's are not even misdemeanors in some states. They are petty offenses, which is below what is considered a misdemeanor, so it makes more sense for him to pull a full criminal background check.
 
Background check is a huge blanket term and trust me, they are not all made equally. Health care workers are required to go through very strict checks, and it's actually quite likely that something wouldn't show up when the school did it, but would when the hospital runs it, simply because they ordered a much more detailed check. Don't bank on it not being there.

Listen, it's pretty simple: when asked, answer honestly. Don't lie. Even if the background check you ordered doesn't show it, it could come up in some capacity later and you could be dismissed for it. Does that seem worth it to you??



Your reading comprehension skills are pathetic. Good luck on that VR section. Let me see if I can dumb it down a bit for you:

1. Interview process (for my purposes) has always referred to AACOMAS through matriculation. It's what I've always called it. I suppose I should have said 'application process.' Go back and note how I even mentioned the secondary as being within the confines of the 'interview process.' This alone confirms what I was saying.

2. I never once claimed they would background check anyone before an interview. You inferred that because you aren't good at this game.

3. I am 99% sure it will come up at some point during the 'application process,' which includes a background check prior to matriculation. Do you even understand how easy it is to find this type of stuff in the age of the internet, electronic records, etc? You get the ticket, the cop puts it into some electronic database; you go to court, they put it in their electronic database 2-4 times (every time you go, there is a new record that involves the ticket and is up in there); you pay a fine to the city, court, etc, and, shocker, that gets put into an electronic data base. See how easily it would be for some professional background company to stumble upon any of these???

However, if you answer the questions HONESTLY when they are asked, you have nothing to worry about when it pops up. If they don't specifically ask and it comes up, then there is nothing that can be done about it. However, if they do ask and you lie because the $12 background check you ordered off craigslist didn't show it ... you can be dismissed or have your acceptance revoked. Do you think it's worth risking this several times all so you don't 'ruin your chances' by explaining a beer ticket.

4. Even if all secondaries don't include these questions (not all of them do, maybe 50%), the '99%' I threw around referred to the fact that it will come up on the background check, which will be performed before matriculation. If you were never asked about it (on the secondary, in an interview, etc), then you're fine. Again, I've said this multiple times. Just because you don't suffer consequences from it, doesn't mean it won't show up/come up on the background check.


5. I've been through the process ... you haven't. Trust me when I say that I know how the process works.
Now it's about insults about reading comprehension and that I'll do poorly in VR.

You keep insisting about answering questions honestly. How about you quote one single part of all my post where I said you shouldn't answer honestly? You keep trying to switch the conversation around to something I have not said because it makes you look better. It's a childish thing.

And no, you're just plain wrong about "interview process." If what you mean is the period of your entire application to matriculation, call it that. Since you have superior VR skills than me, you should know that "interview process" lends itself to misinterpretation where the person assumes you mean the logical thing: going to your interview and being interviewed.

I don't care if you have been through the process or not. Do you have a criminal record or some kind? Or you just fill out an application, checked no for criminal record and never got asked anything about it? And since when must you have gone through a process to understand it? Have you gone through AIDS? How will you treat or understand it as a doctor if you haven't gone through that process?

And yes, it will come up in the background check, but that will be AFTER the interview and if he or she was never asked to specify about being "charged" then there is absolutely no issue with matriculation.

Stay on the topic on hand next time. Stop trying to divert attention to appear as if you said something correct when you did not.
 
And no, you're just plain wrong about "interview process." If what you mean is the period of your entire application to matriculation, call it that. Since you have superior VR skills than me, you should know that "interview process" lends itself to misinterpretation where the person assumes you mean the logical thing: going to your interview and being interviewed.

LOL ... I don't think "interview process," "interview period," "application process," "period between AACOMAS and matriculation," etc, are in Websters. I clearly defined what I meant to you multiple times. If you can't interpret that, it's not my issue. Again, I probably should have said "application process" and not "interview process." It's honestly how I've always referred to the entire thing.

I don't care if you have been through the process or not.

Got to love pre-meds.


Do you have a criminal record or some kind?

Yup. I shot a man in Reno ... just to watch him die.

Have you gone through AIDS? How will you treat or understand it as a doctor if you haven't gone through that process?

I like how you accused me of morphing the conversation, but just managed to bring AIDS into this clusterfck.
:laugh:

Again, I will have gone through the process of medical school (I actually just studied some WBC Histo and read a bit about AIDS like 20 minutes ago) and so when someone who hasn't gone through medical school asks, I can tell them about AIDS. It's akin to me going through the application process and being able to tell pre-medical students what occurs in the application process. I wonder if my patients will tell me I'm wrong, resort to strawman arguments, and rant at me for hours too??


And yes, it will come up in the background check, but that will be AFTER the interview and if he or she was never asked to specify about being "charged" then there is absolutely no issue with matriculation.

I have said this like 900x now.

Stay on the topic on hand next time. Stop trying to divert attention to appear as if you said something correct when you did not.

LOL. You're telling me to stay on topic? The 'topic' of this discussion is the OP's question. You've morphed the thread into a debate on the correct definition of the period of time between filling out AACOMAS and matriculation. Nice try though ... but you've now failed multiple times and I'm done bickering with you.

OP:

Simple advice - 1. don't sweat it, 2. answer honestly (but don't provide information which you were not asked to give), 3. prepare for it to come up in some capacity (so know what you're going to say, do, etc).

Good luck.
 
MIP's are not even misdemeanors in some states. They are petty offenses, which is below what is considered a misdemeanor, so it makes more sense for him to pull a full criminal background check.

Who are you trying to convince??? MIPs are classified depending on a lot of things, and you're right - they can be infractions or misdemeanors. Frankly, both can still come up in a background check. I still do not think it's beneficial for him to do a background check (on himself) whatsoever. Doing this is simply looking for justification to lie. This will come back to bite you in the ass and is not worth it 1%. I'm being serious ... don't lie.
 
OP:

Simple advice - 1. don't sweat it, 2. answer honestly (but don't provide information which you were not asked to give), 3. prepare for it to come up in some capacity (so know what you're going to say, do, etc).

Good luck.

This


I'm going to add a 4 though:

Check to find out what the charge is and if it is applied to your record. You can even go directly to the courthouse to find this out.
 
Who are you trying to convince??? MIPs are classified depending on a lot of things, and you're right - they can be infractions or misdemeanors. Frankly, both can still come up in a background check. I still do not think it's beneficial for him to do a background check (on himself) whatsoever. Doing this is simply looking for justification to lie. This will come back to bite you in the ass and is not worth it 1%. I'm being serious ... don't lie.


I agree. What I am saying is that it is in his best interests to know and understand the charges against him and if there are any charges after his deferred sentence.
 
I'm going to add a 4 though:

Check to find out what the charge is and if it is applied to your record. You can even go directly to the courthouse to find this out.

Again, I feel like you say this because you think the OP should find out if it's on his or her background check (err whatever) and not say a word (even if asked) if it is not. This is lying. Plain and simple. Don't do this. I repeat, don't do this.

You will be well aware of what you were charged with and the degree of the charge (misdemeanor or infraction). It says this right on the ticket. You don't need to go to the court to get this information. You'll know, and digging deeper to figure out if you can 'fib' about it or not is no bueno.
 
And the moral of the story is: Dont fing lie to adcoms. MIP violations are meaningless. Adcoms know there are two types of applicants in this regard (and this applies to almost everyone): those who have gotten caught doing it, and those who havent been caught. Because everyone does it and they know it.

Its not like all the premeds at your school went around murdering people every weekend...and oops you got caught but the rest didnt.

Drinking underage=normal and totally expected part of college...regardless of what the law says.
 
Of course, your reply had to add nothing to the table and introduce elitism of "oh you pre-meds" when in fact you've been in med school just like a month or two. You're nothing special and you know it. Stop trying to be. You've also been through no comparable process, so you're on equal footing to me.

And no, you didn't "define" interview process originally. You did it after the fact being called out.

Oh, and I totally caught how you didn't respond to any part where I said to quote me about saying something different to the fact of being honest. Conversation was simple: will it come up during interview? No, unless you're obligated to tell them about charges.

End of story.
 
You're nothing special and you know it. Stop trying to be.

ROFL.

Wheww, you're done buddy ... when it gets to this point, you mine as well tell me that your dad could beat up my dad (he couldn't btw) and storm off the playground. Me: 1, You: 0. Hopefully lesson learned.
 
ROFL.

Wheww, you're done buddy ... when it gets to this point, you mine as well tell me that your dad could beat up my dad (he couldn't btw) and storm off the playground. Me: 1, You: 0. Hopefully lesson learned.
Now you're just trolling.
 
Now you're just trolling.

Listen ...

We've come to the point where we are arguing just out of some mutual dislike, irritation, etc. You aren't going to convince me, and I'm not going to convince you. However, throughout this absurd debate, we pretty much managed to derail a useful thread. Because of this, I suggest we just end this and try to interact as little as possible on these boards. I don't see a lot of mutual collaboration/synergy coming out of our discussions in the future. Fair assessment???
 
I don't have a "mutual dislike or irritation." This might come as a shock to you, but you're not a very important person in my life and I'm not about to take some passing conversations on the internet as a way to judge you as a whole. I thought it had been productive to a point in that we were discussing when or if it would come up.

If you don't want to interact with me, don't, but if I want to respond to something you said, I will.

Listen ...

We've come to the point where we are arguing just out of some mutual dislike, irritation, etc. You aren't going to convince me, and I'm not going to convince you. However, throughout this absurd debate, we pretty much managed to derail a useful thread. Because of this, I suggest we just end this and try to interact as little as possible on these boards. I don't see a lot of mutual collaboration/synergy coming out of our discussions in the future. Fair assessment???
 
I don't have a "mutual dislike or irritation." This might come as a shock to you, but you're not a very important person in my life and I'm not about to take some passing conversations on the internet as a way to judge you as a whole. I thought it had been productive to a point in that we were discussing when or if it would come up.

If you don't want to interact with me, don't, but if I want to respond to something you said, I will.


that is a quality response...

this is how this argument should end
 
I don't have a "mutual dislike or irritation." This might come as a shock to you, but you're not a very important person in my life and I'm not about to take some passing conversations on the internet as a way to judge you as a whole. I thought it had been productive to a point in that we were discussing when or if it would come up.

If you don't want to interact with me, don't, but if I want to respond to something you said, I will.

Hahahahaha, whewww .... 'okay.' I was simply trying to keep things civil and productive, but it's fine either way. I also find this response so ironic and immature, but then again I don't want to use a 'passing conversation' as something to judge you as a whole.
 
As the thread continues, the IQ and maturity levels decrease. You both said you were done, so be done. Bickering is not helping anyone, you guys want to argue, take it to the private messages, especially you jagerplate, you have alot of respect and admiration around here, don't put effort into bringing yourself down.
 
BOTH OF YOU CUT IT OUT. 🙄

You disagree. Great. This country was founded on disagreement, and differences of opinion add spice, intrigue, and education to our lives. But petty arguments are pointless. Can we please get back to the OP's question???

To the OP: if the case was dismissed, there are two ways it can go on a background: either it won't show up, or it'll show up as dismissed. Either way, you're clear. If you're asked about it, give a GOOD explanation of what you've learned from it. And the answer isn't "don't let a cop in on a noise complaint."
 
You should be fine with the dismissal, however, if you want to be 100% sure it will not show up get the record expunged. Go to the court that dismissed the charge with a written letter to the judge requesting an expungement (It costs around $50). If granted an expungement, the record will be physically destroyed and you can legally say the event never happened.
 
You should be fine with the dismissal, however, if you want to be 100% sure it will not show up get the record expunged. Go to the court that dismissed the charge with a written letter to the judge requesting an expungement (It costs around $50). If granted an expungement, the record will be physically destroyed and you can legally say the event never happened.
Except if you are in California where it still stays in your record. It's a bitch.
 
Except if you are in California where it still stays in your record. It's a bitch.

Ahh.. I didn't think about different regulations in different states.. I know it works in Ohio.
 
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