Mod Marriage? Why bother.

[LADoc00]

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The sheer of absurdity of men walking willingly into the firing sights of feminist ballbusters and their goon squads of goose stepping law enforcement officers and Gestapo-esque family court systems, has me truly mystified. Has the world gone mad?

For all you men out there, I cannot think if a single reason why should submit and tie the not. The religious and traditional mores that bound such a convenant are in tatters and it has re-arisen like the Phoenix as a societal instrument of pure terror.

Run, run now and run fast.

 

[neuropower]

huh?

 

[PineappleGirl]

Not entirely sure what you're saying here, but I agree with the sentiment that marriage is quite an outdated notion. It seems inevitable that someone will cheat, divorce is always a strong possibility, and I just do not like the idea of being "wedded" to one individual for the rest of my life.

One of my good friends is getting married and all I can feel is sadness. I just KNOW this is not going to work out, but when can I say, I am a pessimist.

 

[espbeliever]

i think marriage is a good thing in theory. if i could find a woman that would not try to get pregnant then divorce me to get kid money, that would be a big step.

i think the idea of marriage in the usa is in flux. new laws are always coming out. and ppl are finding ways to use those laws to their own personal benefit. nothing new about that really.

find someone you can trust and spend the rest of your life with. it is a hellofa lot better than living alone, or always playing the dating and bar scene games... safer too....

thats my rambling for now 🙂

 

[Toofscum]

I am married and in my late 20s and I truly love being married. I found the person who completes me--and I didn't see any reason to hold off. I think that living together--which we did for 1.5 years before marriage--is really no different from being married, thus I'd say "why not get married?" I like the fact that now that we're married, others take our relationship more seriously. "Let me talk to my wife about that" holds a lot more weight than "let me talk to my girlfriend about that."

 

[Law2Doc]

I like the fact that now that we're married, others take our relationship more seriously. "Let me talk to my wife about that" holds a lot more weight than "let me talk to my girlfriend about that."

With either, your friends are probably making "whipping" sounds once you are out of earshot. 🙄

 

[LADoc00]

"Let me talk to my wife about that" holds a lot more weight than "let me talk to my girlfriend about that."

That statement alone almost proves my point. Do you ask your wife permission to pee as well?

I can think of hundreds of thousands of reasons not ever get married, some would call these lawyers, I favor the formal name Spawn of Beelzebub.

It completely baffles that their are men out there smart enough to resect acoustic neuromas, read CTs and interpret flow cytometry, yet dumb enough to suckered into the modern version of marriage. Is this a form of contagious ******ation?

 

[espbeliever]

That statement alone almost proves my point. Do you ask your wife permission to pee as well?

I can think of hundreds of thousands of reasons not ever get married, some would call these lawyers, I favor the formal name Spawn of Beelzebub.

It completely baffles that their are men out there smart enough to resect acoustic neuromas, read CTs and interpret flow cytometry, yet dumb enough to suckered into the modern version of marriage. Is this a form of contagious ******ation?

say it with me now... sympathetic-social-intimidation ... 😴

are there any decent women out there? if so, consider yourself as good as gold and let other men know about who you are. get all of the tramps and law abusers out of here. we dont need them. they are the druges of society and making EVERYONE look bad, not just women....

 

[LADoc00]

say it with me now... sympathetic-social-intimidation ... 😴

are there any decent women out there? if so, consider yourself as good as gold and let other men know about who you are. get all of the tramps and law abusers out of here. we dont need them. they are the druges of society and making EVERYONE look bad, not just women....

Of course every women is going to say she is decent! Seriously, the whole trick to being a gold digger/skank is you "look, smell and taste" like the simple girl next door. Im fairly certain the last time I went clubbing there wasnt a whole lot of women sporting signs reading "Im gonna marry you, have another man's baby then rob you blind, pick me!"

 

[neuropower]

Of course every women is going to say she is decent! Seriously, the whole trick to being a gold digger/skank is you "look, smell and taste" like the simple girl next door. Im fairly certain the last time I went clubbing there wasnt a whole lot of women sporting signs reading "Im gonna marry you, have another man's baby then rob you blind, pick me!"

going "clubbing" is generally not a great place to meet cool, intelligent, caring people...so that's your first problem...
it's just really obvious by your attitude that you aren't in love...just wait until you find the right woman, none of your babble is relevant at all when you find someone you trust...

my boyfriend and i aren't married yet, but we don't *FEAR* it either...i don't need to exert control over him because if he felt like i was trapping him or he couldn't be himself or do things he loves, then i wouldn't want to be with him! i'd only want to be with someone who freely chooses to be with me...

another thing is that marriage wouldn't really change our relationship much anyway since we already live together...it's just considerate to tell anybody that you live with if you are going to be home late or whatever... it's a small price to pay for life long companionship. from what i remember, being alone sucks.

my boyfriend gets just as sad and depressed when i go out shopping all day and leave him home as when he goes out with friends and leaves me alone...that's because we actually LIKE and WANT to be around each other a lot because we are IN LOVE...

is this making any sense to you?

 

[espbeliever]

sort of, but you're a gurl, so getting past the communication barrier is tough...

man, you talk just like an old exgf of mine... crazy gurl mumbojumbo hehe

 

[Neuronix]

it's just really obvious by your attitude that you aren't in love...just wait until you find the right woman, none of your babble is relevant at all when you find someone you trust...

I found someone I loved and trusted. We got engaged and several months later she left me and started living with another man shortly thereafter. Lesson learned? Pre-nup required before any marriage. You never know when your partner is going to go nuts and start hating you.

My mother also has been married 3 times. She's a schizophrenic with alot of issues. She hides it as well as she possibly can and doesn't even tell the men she's dating that she sees doctors or takes any meds until she marries them. Then she goes bezerk on them and when they divorce, she tries to screw them over as much as she possibly can.

It's not that I'm not planning to get married, I'm just going to be darn careful about it. I'd advise everyone else to do the same.

 

[espbeliever]

this guy i am good friends with is married to some crazy lady.

she seemed nice at first, and then married her. she had a 5k credit card with a 2500 debt load. he had a 190k house half paid for, like 600 a month payments, 50k in cash in the back invested, and over 100k in credit cards, all of them fully paid off.

move on to 10 years later

he has recently refinanced his house again, only owes 270k on it now, and just 1600 payments per month. 60k in credit card debt, car insurance is 300 per month yes that IS PER MONTH cuz his wife keeps crashing. he works two jobs, and has 4 kids.

he tried to get rid of all of the credit cards, and asked his wife to stop getting them and racking up credit. she says ok she will stop, then goes on to get more of them anyways. she works as a teacher at a private school. has her own checking account that she always overbills. and has to get any possible extra money from him.

he is catholic so he thinks divorce is out of the question, so he just keeps working harder and harder to pay of the increasing debts... he will probablly die early... if not from the stress of working more and more, than from the extreme stress the money situation is putting on him.

crazy

 

[doc05]

The sheer of absurdity of men walking willingly into the firing sights of feminist ballbusters and their goon squads of goose stepping law enforcement officers and Gestapo-esque family court systems, has me truly mystified. Has the world gone mad?

For all you men out there, I cannot think if a single reason why should submit and tie the not. The religious and traditional mores that bound such a convenant are in tatters and it has re-arisen like the Phoenix as a societal instrument of pure terror.

Run, run now and run fast.

so long as you protect yourself with a rock-solid prenup, there's nothing wrong with marriage per se.

 

[doc05]

going "clubbing" is generally not a great place to meet cool, intelligent, caring people...so that's your first problem...
it's just really obvious by your attitude that you aren't in love...just wait until you find the right woman, none of your babble is relevant at all when you find someone you trust...

my boyfriend and i aren't married yet, but we don't *FEAR* it either...i don't need to exert control over him because if he felt like i was trapping him or he couldn't be himself or do things he loves, then i wouldn't want to be with him! i'd only want to be with someone who freely chooses to be with me...

another thing is that marriage wouldn't really change our relationship much anyway since we already live together...it's just considerate to tell anybody that you live with if you are going to be home late or whatever... it's a small price to pay for life long companionship. from what i remember, being alone sucks.

my boyfriend gets just as sad and depressed when i go out shopping all day and leave him home as when he goes out with friends and leaves me alone...that's because we actually LIKE and WANT to be around each other a lot because we are IN LOVE...

is this making any sense to you?

The point though is that you're not married yet. Fast forward 10 years and chances are one or both of you will be unhappy.

 

[espbeliever]

so long as you protect yourself with a rock-solid prenup, there's nothing wrong with marriage per se.

loraina bobbet....

 

[Trismegistus4]

going "clubbing" is generally not a great place to meet cool, intelligent, caring people...

It can be; you just have to club 'em really, really hard.

 

[espbeliever]

It can be; you just have to club 'em really, really hard.

thicker skulls? 😕


😍

 

[mshheaddoc]

so long as you protect yourself with a rock-solid prenup, there's nothing wrong with marriage per se.

What's the point of a prenup if you don't bring many assets to the table? ie. two students getting married. Pre-nups only protect you in your "prior" single life, not joint assets thereafter.

I figure to keep my current bills separate from my future spouse and then anything we have after "offically" being together that we have talked about would be joint. We have also fully discussed this to an extent.

Communication is KEY ...

 

[espbeliever]

What's the point of a prenup if you don't bring many assets to the table? ie. two students getting married. Pre-nups only protect you in your "prior" single life, not joint assets thereafter.

I figure to keep my current bills separate from my future spouse and then anything we have after "offically" being together that we have talked about would be joint. We have also fully discussed this to an extent.

Communication is KEY ...

nah, a prenup will protect you however you agree for it to protect you. its a binding contract that you both sign. so get a good long term thinking lawyer

additionally, if you get married to someone befroe you get your licenses/degrees that you could functionally use, and then get divorced after getting them, then your "un"-significant other is entitled to like half the money you get from them (or are projected)... something like that... at any rate, dont get married before you get your licenses if you do not have a prenup 😍

 

[doc05]

What's the point of a prenup if you don't bring many assets to the table? ie. two students getting married. Pre-nups only protect you in your "prior" single life, not joint assets thereafter.

I figure to keep my current bills separate from my future spouse and then anything we have after "offically" being together that we have talked about would be joint. We have also fully discussed this to an extent.

Communication is KEY ...

the point is to protect your future assets as well. Consider the fact that while a medical student may be worth nothing, 10 years down the line, he may be earning 300k/year. It would be a shame to lose half of it to alimony.

 

[Law2Doc]

the point is to protect your future assets as well. Consider the fact that while a medical student may be worth nothing, 10 years down the line, he may be earning 300k/year. It would be a shame to lose half of it to alimony.

If you have kids you will be lucky to keep half.

 

[BlueToothHunter]

First of all... all you men out there... check this website out... www.nomarriage.com Some guys may find it "informative"... some girls may find it offensive. But, hey, it does give you something to talk about.

Secondly, I don't think your degree alone would entitle your ex-husband/wife to demand 50% of your future projected income. You would have to have previous year's income to base on your future projected income. Then the courts would award 50% of whatever he/she earned to the bitter spouse.

Lastly, prenups are not bullet-proof. Any good lawyer can tear it apart in the divorce court. So don't think you've got everything covered just because you have a prenup. It may give you a cushion but won't prevent your fall.

 

[espbeliever]

First of all... all you men out there... check this website out... www.nomarriage.com Some guys may find it "informative"... some girls may find it offensive. But, hey, it does give you something to talk about.

Secondly, I don't think your degree alone would entitle your ex-husband/wife to demand 50% of your future projected income. You would have to have previous year's income to base on your future projected income. Then the courts would award 50% of whatever he/she earned to the bitter spouse.

Lastly, prenups are not bullet-proof. Any good lawyer can tear it apart in the divorce court. So don't think you've got everything covered just because you have a prenup. It may give you a cushion but won't prevent your fall.

get a good lawyer on the prenup and quit worrying hehe

dood, i was seriously told this by a lawyer friend of mine. if you have no licenese before marriage and then get it, and then get divorced, ur spouse gets a lot of money

 

[Law2Doc]

Secondly, I don't think your degree alone would entitle your ex-husband/wife to demand 50% of your future projected income. You would have to have previous year's income to base on your future projected income. Then the courts would award 50% of whatever he/she earned to the bitter spouse.

Lastly, prenups are not bullet-proof. Any good lawyer can tear it apart in the divorce court. So don't think you've got everything covered just because you have a prenup. It may give you a cushion but won't prevent your fall.

Just to correct you (since you are misstating the law a bit): some states (not all) have determined that a professional degree earned during the course of the marriage can constitute joint property. Especially so if your spouse worked (or served as your homemaker/parent of your kids) while you went to school and thus may have financed or otherwise enabled some of your medical education. Thus half of what you earn from that degree could potentially be awarded to the non-degreed spouse. And it doesn't turn on prior year's income, it often turns on projected income which may take into account your anticipated degree and what average people earn with it -- notwithstanding whether you ever attain that or not. (There can be adjustments down the road, but you need to go back into court for those).
Secondly, prenups can, in fact, be pretty "bullet proof" if they were objectively reasonable, not made under duress and where both parties were represented by counsel of their choice. A prenup which says "you get nothing" tends not to stand up in court, while a prenup which provides some objectively equitable level of post-marital support should. Whether a prenup stands up in court depends less on how "good" the lawyer you hire after the fact is, and more so on how good the lawyer was who drew it up.
Hope that helps clarify.

 

[mshheaddoc]

Haven't any of you seen "intolerable cruelty"?

The Massey prenup 😉

I never knew that a prenup would protect your assets in that fashion for the future. Because it was my understanding that whatever your do "together" in the future would be fair game. I'm guessing that this wouldn't be a 50/50 relationship in some instances (ie. purchase of home together, child care, joint accounts) etc. Meaning that usually for a prenup one person would have control of "most" the assets.

With that said I could see reasoning for doing this (getting a prenup). As stated, I really don't see a need in it to some degree because most things are joint in some regards with my future spouse. We both will have the same degree (i will actually have more) and honestly I'm a 50/50 girl. Call me old fashion but I really don't have many assets to protect. That being said, the only reason I would consider is for my inheritance money. Hmmmm ... might be worth looking into.

Oh and BlueToothHunter, that website is a crock of ****. I have seen that for awhile, its not eye awaking at all. Its just a funny website about fat chicks 😉 Nothing really about marriage in a serious sense.

 

[beachsaki101]

We all have only one life to live, so live it fully and enjoy it. There is no such thing as a "perfect match", relatively good match, yes. So work out the differences and stay happy with each other.

I think one should not consider marriage at all if he/she is not ready. Doing lots of research (reading books and talking to married individuals) on what typical marriage is all about helps. If you know you have made a mistake, PLEASE get out of your situation and be single again. Don't torture yourself and your spouse because of your mistake. It's very unfair to the kids having to put up with the parents' problems. My folks dragged me into their dysfunctional relationship all my life. Now that I'm a parent (and a spouse), I draw a line to my folks telling them that enough is enough for me.

 

[espbeliever]

We all have only one life to live, so live it fully and enjoy it. There is no such thing as a "perfect match", relatively good match, yes. So work out the differences and stay happy with each other.

I think one should not consider marriage at all if he/she is not ready. Doing lots of research (reading books and talking to married individuals) on what typical marriage is all about helps. If you know you have made a mistake, PLEASE get out of your situation and be single again. Don't torture yourself and your spouse because of your mistake. It's very unfair to the kids having to put up with the parents' problems. My folks dragged me into their dysfunctional relationship all my life. Now that I'm a parent (and a spouse), I draw a line to my folks telling them that enough is enough for me.

i did that when i was ten... i told my parents how crappy it is what they are doiong, and then i just left for a few days. they had no idea where i wnet or anything... i came back and they seemed to have changed... all was ok after that...

 

[Fortune]

You guys need to start looking for women elsewhere. I know that being in the medical profession may only attract certain types of women but there are ways to get around that, like marrying a woman who is secure financially and does not need your dough. You make it sound like only men experience this; women have to go through it too. I think the most practical choice would be to re-think the women's level of education. I mean I know a lot of med school guys who want to marry women who will not wear the 'pants' in a relationship, but honestly if they are so adverse to it than they'll most likely end up with women who want to marry rich.

No marriage is good for men, b/c they can stay 'free' and spread around their sperm to everyone but marriage as a social construction is made to secure women and their children. Marriage as a religious symbol is very much so important to many people.

Anyways, I really have never met any women who want to marry a guy for his money, but then again all my female friends are smart, intellectual women.

 

[LADoc00]

I have to add that truly knowing someone is near impossible and the real character of most women is not shown until the divorce papers begin flying. I recently started a new job where pretty much all the partners are divorced and rather bitter about the whole thing, these are smart successful men used and abused by the system. I sure as hell dont need to walk down their path to learn their lessons.

Lets be honest with each other: marriage is scam and not just any scam, it's society's greatest, most potent trap. Federal income taxes is minor compared to massive financial harm caused by divorce and for what? Companionship? Please, what a joke, most married people dont even have regular sex after a few years.

Marriage was neccesary when women couldnt work outside the home and didnt have adequate education to take care of themselves and their kids...those conditions are gone now, more women are going to college than men.

Divorce induced suicide and drug use is epidemic, men's pension plans are being pillaged, their houses lost, their child visitation rights stripped and on top of it all they are saddled with the guilt of failure.

I cant think of a single reason to get married (but of course I will continue BSing my parents that I just havent found the right one yet).

 

[TexasFool]

Haven't any of you seen "intolerable cruelty"?

The Massey prenup 😉

I never knew that a prenup would protect your assets in that fashion for the future. Because it was my understanding that whatever your do "together" in the future would be fair game. I'm guessing that this wouldn't be a 50/50 relationship in some instances (ie. purchase of home together, child care, joint accounts) etc. Meaning that usually for a prenup one person would have control of "most" the assets.

With that said I could see reasoning for doing this (getting a prenup). As stated, I really don't see a need in it to some degree because most things are joint in some regards with my future spouse. We both will have the same degree (i will actually have more) and honestly I'm a 50/50 girl. Call me old fashion but I really don't have many assets to protect. That being said, the only reason I would consider is for my inheritance money. Hmmmm ... might be worth looking into.

Oh and BlueToothHunter, that website is a crock of ****. I have seen that for awhile, its not eye awaking at all. Its just a funny website about fat chicks 😉 Nothing really about marriage in a serious sense.

that website was funny. fat chicks! What the hell, he makes it out like everyone is 500 lbs. I was cracking up. He's got this thing for foreign women.

I think I'll call my gf and tell her to go to the gym, she's 5'2" and 105 lbs and I don't want her to put on 395 lbs. hehehee

I bet that guy has a big fat stomach and he's complaining about fat women.

 

[raspberry swirl]

marriage isn't for everyone. but it is for a lot of people. i dont think its fair to tell all the men in the world to stay away from women! but i certainly think rushing into things is a bad idea. one of my best friends is getting married after being together for 8 years, living together for 4. i think by then you know someone's true colors. i guess the most important thing is to be alert for any red flags. most of the people i know who ended up divorced or ended long term relationships ignored signs that things were shady, when they should have just gotten out while the getting was good. and in order to see red flags, you have to spend a lot of time together in different situations, meet his or her friends, family, ask about previous relationships, etc. there's nothing wrong with doing a little research. but i wouldn't shoot down the concept of couplehood all together, LADoc- there's someone out there somewhere for you. heck, there might even be more than one 🙂

 

[TexasFool]

marriage isn't for everyone. but it is for a lot of people. i dont think its fair to tell all the men in the world to stay away from women! but i certainly think rushing into things is a bad idea. one of my best friends is getting married after being together for 8 years, living together for 4. i think by then you know someone's true colors. i guess the most important thing is to be alert for any red flags. most of the people i know who ended up divorced or ended long term relationships ignored signs that things were shady, when they should have just gotten out while the getting was good. and in order to see red flags, you have to spend a lot of time together in different situations, meet his or her friends, family, ask about previous relationships, etc. there's nothing wrong with doing a little research. but i wouldn't shoot down the concept of couplehood all together, LADoc- there's someone out there somewhere for you. heck, there might even be more than one 🙂

I wouldn't worry about that website, I think that guy's going bonkers.

resberry, What are some red flags, in a relationship? Any examples?

 

[ockhamsRzr]

Lived together for 11 years, bought two houses together, got married 6 months into our first pregnancy. Nothing changed and everything changed. Second kiddo in 16 months, another house, two career changes; I put her through MBA, she's supporting me in post-bacc and into med school. We're still walking and laughing through life together, but on any given day she wants to throw me out a window and on others, I'd like to duct tape both our mouths shut... 😳

People, please remember pythagoras: all things change, nothing stays the same. Humans are the most wonderfully flexible beings with potential for (r)evolutiony change, and they are also the laziest most stagnant pieces of crud on the planet. We are inescapably the products of our past and stunningly more than the sum of our experiences. To make it worse we ALL ebb and flow through these cycles.

No red flags other than finding your potential spouse in bed with 4 circus performers can indicate what what he/she will become or revert to in the future. The divorce rate is 50% BECAUSE there is no telling. It also takes a ****LOAD of work, don't ever think a good relationship is easy...it ain't.

Best of luck to everyone and if you don't test drive the hell out of a relationship because you have some insipid deadline to fulfill a fairy tale, you deserve what you get. It's about relationships, not deadlines.

ockham...been there done that!

 

[TexasFool]

This British dude has three wives and he just got busted.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8908170/#storyContinued

 

[ambernikel]

With either, your friends are probably making "whipping" sounds once you are out of earshot. 🙄

Anytime I started to become bothered about something like this. I remind myself that I'm a candidate for med school and many of my friends/acquaintances that would make such remarks (mainly from high school) are bartending or jobless and still living with their mothers. That and/or they can't keep a relationship long enough to learn anything about the other person except maybe their last name on a good day.

Marriage is darn hard. Especially if you have problems and busy schedules like we do. The big difference between living together and being married is the commitment. No matter what relationship you are in, things will get hard. If you are married you are more likely to work it out. Anymore, we use divorce to break up as if we were dating. I think it is more life changing and difficult than we realize, for all involved. The truth is that marriage probably isn't for everyone, but there is real happiness to be found in it. Unfortunately, it isn't something that comes naturally but something you have to work at. Trust me, I know! Marriage takes work but it is rewarding!
Like all things, those who work the hardest have the best results and make it look easy to others who are struggling. I have always been a very honest and comitted person and I have days, like yesterday, when I am absolutely sure that I have nothing in common with or no desire for my husband. But then he comes home and does something goofy all of the sudden like pick me up and twirl me around until I can't walk straight right in the middle of the street. Then I'm all in love again! LOL it all seems so silly. But sometimes we just need a laugh to break through the gloomy seriousness of life stuff and heal wounds.

Something to note here is that in LIFE, no matter what area, you cannot ever get too comfortable or kick your feet up and call it done. It never works that way. If you want to be successful and happy in anything, you must always be working at it. You must constantly re-evaluate yourself and change accordingly. I must anyway, else I become my mother!!! 😛
I think it is true that if you don't actively change you will go to your default which is often how you were raised.

ockhamsrzr - right on man, you hit the nail on the head.

 

[Neuronix]

I have days, like yesterday, when I am absolutely sure that I have nothing in common with or no desire for my husband.

The rest of your post is nice and all, but I don't understand why girls do THIS? Every relationship I've been in, the girl tells me she feels this way occasionally. Then it seems like it just progresses from there... What happens if your husband doesn't make you laugh the right way? Do you remember why you were married and in love or do you just give him heck for days at a time until he tickles you the right way?

I never feel this way? What gives?

 

[raspberry swirl]

heavens, i have days when i think my bf (of 4.5 yrs) is the most annoying human being in the world, and if he opens his mouth to say something, i might just freak out. i have actually freaked out at him. he takes it relatively well. usually its nothing a good night of sleep wont cure . . . maybe its a girl thing. but i doubt it. i can gaurantee there's been a few days where he didn't care if he ever saw me again. but we're mature enough to know a million things can affect your emotions on any given day, and we wait it out and see what happens. however, i'd worry if it lasted more than a week or so . . . 😳

 

[venez]

this thread makes women out to be vindictive, blood-sucking ******. well, the reverse, which i know from personal experience, happens too. so all you men, stop acting like victims. boo-hoo i am not getting married because women are evil. two people living together day-in and day-out is problematic.

 

[Dire Straits]

i like how people are saying marriage is hard work and are trying to glorify the "hard work" it takes to stay married. it's ok for med school or your medical career to be hard work, but not your relationships and love life. that should be enjoyabe and something you shouldn't constantly be putting effort into maintaining. that's a red flag right there if you are working hard at maintaining a relationship/marriage.

 

[ockhamsRzr]

Now here's a clueless mofo.

i like how people are saying marriage is hard work and are trying to glorify the "hard work" it takes to stay married. it's ok for med school or your medical career to be hard work, but not your relationships and love life. that should be enjoyabe and something you shouldn't constantly be putting effort into maintaining. that's a red flag right there if you are working hard at maintaining a relationship/marriage.

 

[LADoc00]

this thread makes women out to be vindictive, blood-sucking ******. well, the reverse, which i know from personal experience, happens too. so all you men, stop acting like victims. boo-hoo i am not getting married because women are evil. two people living together day-in and day-out is problematic.

"Blood sucking *****" sounds kinda hot. I think the reality in America is 200lb+ whaling oinker with two fists in your pocket...
couldnt resist.

 

[bananaface]

I don't see why this is so one sided. A couple of weeks ago I had a guy tell me that I could be his sugarmomma after graduation. 👎

I'm not about to be all worried that I'm being taken for financial gain. I guess if it was an issue, I could pursue only people in my projected income bracket. That's kinda ******ed, though.

As long as I have no children, I don't give a crap about marriage. If I wanted to have some, I would be very wary about doing it alone.

 

[OzDDS]

I could pursue only people in my projected income bracket. That's kinda ******ed, though.

same or higher.. what most women do anyway.

As long as I have no children, I don't give a crap about marriage. If I wanted to have some, I would be very wary about doing it alone.

Much agreed!! 👍

 

[beentherdonthat]

Wow, a card-carrying misogynist! Cool, if it makes you happy; but much like all the feminists who think all men are evil, you will live life as a bitter person, but that's your choice. Frankly, life's too short to go around hating, being suspicious of, and basically thinking half of the population is out to get you and your stash. Sad, really. I'm no feminist but I can see now how the idea got started.

In many ways, I'm glad you've discovered already that you should not get married. You do both yourself and your never-to-exist wife a huge favor. Just like people who think kids are all brats, they should not have them. People negative on marriage should not get married.

But for your sake, maybe one day you will change your mind, or at the very least keep your options open. I do believe that humans innately seek love and security found in relationships. Family is good but eventually parents die. It's the whole circle of life thing.

Even monkeys have been shown to crave warmth and love from birth. Remember the study about the baby chimp who was put in an empty room except for 2 mommy monkey "mannequins"? One was made of wire mesh and the other was covered with carpeting, nice and soft and cuddly. Guess which one the baby chimp hung on to dear life for?

I don't know your life circumstances and how you got so sullied on marriage. Like all other things manmade, it's not perfect. And like so many other things, it's what you make of it. People convinced it's "so much work" choose to make it that way. I like my life pretty simple and my relationships simple. I love my husband and he loves me. We do things for each other. Sometimes we disappoint each other. Sometimes one of us gives more than the other, but in the end it balances out. We don't keep score.

Oh, and don't dismiss that other study about men who are married are actually healthier and live longer. Weigh that against all those other bitter divorced men you know.

 

[LADoc00]

Wow, a card-carrying misogynist! Cool, if it makes you happy; but much like all the feminists who think all men are evil, you will live life as a bitter person, but that's your choice. Frankly, life's too short to go around hating, being suspicious of, and basically thinking half of the population is out to get you and your stash. Sad, really. I'm no feminist but I can see now how the idea got started.

In many ways, I'm glad you've discovered already that you should not get married. You do both yourself and your never-to-exist wife a huge favor. Just like people who think kids are all brats, they should not have them. People negative on marriage should not get married.

But for your sake, maybe one day you will change your mind, or at the very least keep your options open. I do believe that humans innately seek love and security found in relationships. Family is good but eventually parents die. It's the whole circle of life thing.

Even monkeys have been shown to crave warmth and love from birth. Remember the study about the baby chimp who was put in an empty room except for 2 mommy monkey "mannequins"? One was made of wire mesh and the other was covered with carpeting, nice and soft and cuddly. Guess which one the baby chimp hung on to dear life for?

I don't know your life circumstances and how you got so sullied on marriage. Like all other things manmade, it's not perfect. And like so many other things, it's what you make of it. People convinced it's "so much work" choose to make it that way. I like my life pretty simple and my relationships simple. I love my husband and he loves me. We do things for each other. Sometimes we disappoint each other. Sometimes one of us gives more than the other, but in the end it balances out. We don't keep score.

Oh, and don't dismiss that other study about men who are married are actually healthier and live longer. Weigh that against all those other bitter divorced men you know.

Doesnt anyone at all find it suspicious that when a guy talks a little trash about marriage, the most violent reaction comes from women sp. married women? Come on! Your post screams "Shut up you fool and dont reveal my little scheme, muhahahaha"

too late, I see you dark jedi.

 

[fedor]

http://www.intellectualwhores.com/masterladder.html

You ought to read the ladder theory.

 

[beentherdonthat]

Doesnt anyone at all find it suspicious that when a guy talks a little trash about marriage, the most violent reaction comes from women sp. married women? Come on! Your post screams "Shut up you fool and dont reveal my little scheme, muhahahaha"

too late, I see you dark jedi.

Violent reaction? You're kidding right? That was about the most benign post on this board. No screaming. No insults. No telling you to shut up or even to be quiet. You've got more problems than I thought. Yes, that was a bit insulting, but that I'll admit; the violent part, no way. And a "little trash"? Funny how you can blow my reaction to violent proportions yet somehow diminish your own reasoning about getting married as just a "little trash." How you gather all this is between you and all the voices in your head.

Even Anakin turned good in the end. There's hope for you yet, young jedi.