MTM service at community pharmacy?

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Pharmaco1234

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Does anyone provide MTM services /bill for MTM service at their community retail pharmacy? Or use any programs such as mirixa or outcomes? Do you need to have clinical exp or worked in a hospital to provide mtm or do you need certification to provide it? Thank you.
 
Kroger and walgreens in columbus provide mtm services via outcomes. Apha offers certification but I don't think this is mandatory.

Cvs has their own mtm program called pharmacy advisor. Not a full mtm service but it is a start.
 
The chains are starting to push it. We had a training session on how to use each platform a while ago. Doesn't really require clinical experience...just time consuming. You think I have time to call an 80 year old woman, ask her if I can call her doctor to explain that outcomes thinks she should be on a statin because she's diabetic, and then call the physician('s secretary) and see if he'll call in a script? Or what about call a 45 year old man and explain the importance of medication adherence because he didn't pick up his script exactly 30 days apart for the last 6 months? There's good intentions with MTM...it's just hard to execute in a busy retail setting, and many patients don't want to hear it from anyone but their physician. Just my 2 cents.
 
Is mtm mainly provided over the phone or face to face? Was there training on what type of interventions r involved? Would a new pharmacist be able to do mtm service? Just wondering how practical this can be done in a retail setting. A independent I know is trying to start it by using one of the platforms
 
MTM is mainly over the phone. You can schedule appointments to have the patient come in to talk about your med but usually that would have to be your store customer and you can do it more easily if they are coming in for a refill. You also can do cases outside your store or patients that go to another pharmacy and catch them but that would be over the phone usually. I mean seriously, what benefit will a patient getting driving to you just to talk about your med unless there is something seriously missing or intervention needed?

New pharmacists can do MTM, no certification or additional hospital/clinical experience needed where I work. Actually it's the new pharmacist that probably does them more usually, older pharmacists aren't clinical enough nor see any benefit to them, they just want to count. But it isn't really useful most of the times but it can help some. Some people just say they take this color/shape pill for this, the other for that. Educating them sometimes really helps them and become more aware of what they are taking from my limited experience.

As another poster mentioned, it's time consuming, for some full MTM cases you probably need to do a full case workup and others are just asking them why they haven't picked up. For chain retail like CVS/Wags/Rite-Aid, it's not worth the time and effort since their volume is so high. For an independent it's absolutely perfect as it gives an opportunity to build a better relationship with your ever shrinking customer base and the reimbursement is actually not quite that bad. Actually if I was efficient enough I'd do full MTM's all day and just take the reimbursement than just work retail.
 
You don't need any training for MTM. Rite-Aid uses Outcomes for their MTM service. When I did a 6 week rotation there I had 1 successful MTM.

When I had a rotation at Kaiser I was scheduling MTMs like crazy (50+ pts over 6 weeks). The pts with Kaiser really appreciated the services being offered.
 
Outcomes and Mirixa are easy. All over the phone and really neat to use.
 
Right now its just time consuming where I work at. I do what I can, but when you cant even get the dr to call you back on a refill, PA, or clarification on a script most don't bother to respond.
 
I used Mirixa when I had an MTM rotation. Place was an independent pharmacy out on Long Island. They had like 6-8 of us interns from different schools sitting in mini-cubicles equipped with phones, laptops, and headsets. We'd call up people all over the country. Most of the time they'd be confused as **** and I'd try to just steer the conversation to get it over with.
 
We use outcomes. It's not bad from the TIPS that I have completed. CMR are a different story. The Rph scheduled two for a Sunday one day. One didn't show but the other seemed alright ended up giving vaccines for the husband and wife. You have to either be at a slow store or you need to have overlap to complete the cmrs.
 
We have been trying for 30 years to start this MTM movement, but it has so far been a dud. 10 years ago when I started pharmacy school, everyone spoke about how great MTM would be blah blah blah. Guess what, it doesn't work in retail pharmacy, and never will, unless you have a dedicated person with a plethora of cases. Even then, how is that different from working in a call center? Good idea, horrible execution.
 
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