My first shadowing experience was...

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AMAZING!

I literally just got back after five hours of shadowing surgery, and I had an absolutely amazing time. I'll start by saying that everyone at the office was great, from the veterinarian to the techs, the secretaries and the office manager. They all made me feel so welcome and by the end of the day, it felt like I had been there ten times before.

The day started out with a few exams from a local humane society. Most of them were minor things... checking weight, grooming, etc. Then we moved on to the surgeries. There were a total of six surgeries that I shadowed, which, according to the office, was actually a rather busy morning. The first, which obviously goes down in history as my first surgery viewed, was a spay on a 6 month old Malamute. I was a little nervous at first... especially after all the many horror stories I heard. And the veterinarian did tell me ahead of time to go sit down if I felt faint, and they promised there would be no teasing or shame. 😀 That was another thing, they were completely normal people. The vet I shadowed and the main vet tech who was with us the majority of the day both had senses of humor and the atmosphere wasn't anywhere near as rigid as I thought it would be. They put on music in the surgical room, too. It wasn't loud or anything and it was mainly some background noise, and I actually thought it was really helpful to concentrate your mind on something else. So, anyway... I was completely fine during the surgery. I had a moment through the first one where I started feeling a little hot, and my palms got a little sweaty, but it passed and I was completely fine the remainder of the surgery and the rest of the day.

The second surgery was another spay on a 5 year old Rottie. This surgery was a little more invasive because it was a more mature dog who had already had one litter in her life. There was much more bleeding and it was a little more extensive, but I was completely fine! I was so proud of myself. Next was a dental on a chihuahua... she just had to have a tooth pulled. It was pretty minor and it only took about 10 minutes.

Then there was a female cat who was also from the humane society. The vet wasn't sure if she had been spayed or not because she had a scar, but it's placement was a little low and she said it didn't really look like a spay scar. We opened her up to double check, and it turns out that she was indeed spayed. Better safe than sorry, especially since she was going to go back to the humane society to be adopted. So anyway, since we already had her opened up, the vet decided it was a good opportunity for a little anatomy lesson. She showed me the bladder, spleen, and pulled out most of her small intestine to show me. It was so interesting! I'm amazed at how the body works. So then after her there was another cat who had to be spayed, and so we actually spayed her... 😛.

The last surgery of the day was a little orange kitten who had to be neutered. That was the most uncomplicated thing I saw the whole day! Seriously, after watching it once, I feel like I probably could have done it, or at least assisted. Along with watching the surgeries, I helped with moving the animals afterward and monitoring them as they woke from the anesthesia. The vet I shadowed was awesome. I asked her questions throughout the whole day and she explained everything to me. Each and every thing she did during the surgery, she explained what it was and why she was doing it. I really feel like I learned a ton and I'm so excited for my next shadowing day. Which brings me to saying, that my next opportunity to go back and shadow will probably be not next Wednesday, but the following one. So... two weeks from today. I told her that and she said if there were and cool or rare surgeries that were non-emergency that she could hold until that day, she would.

After today...so excited, so happy, and feeling SO right about this vet aspiration I have going.

😍 Good feelings!

By the way, kudos if you read all that!
 
AMAZING!

I literally just got back after five hours of shadowing surgery, and I had an absolutely amazing time. I'll start by saying that everyone at the office was great, from the veterinarian to the techs, the secretaries and the office manager. They all made me feel so welcome and by the end of the day, it felt like I had been there ten times before.

The day started out with a few exams from a local humane society. Most of them were minor things... checking weight, grooming, etc. Then we moved on to the surgeries. There were a total of six surgeries that I shadowed, which, according to the office, was actually a rather busy morning. The first, which was obviously goes down in history as my first surgery viewed, was a spay on a 6 month old Malamute. I was a little nervous at first... especially after all the many horror stories I heard. And the veterinarian did tell me ahead of time to go sit down if I felt faint, and they promised there would be no teasing or shame. 😀 That was another thing, they were completely normal people. The vet I shadowed and the main vet tech who was with us the majority of the day both had senses of humor and the atmosphere wasn't anywhere near as rigid as I thought it would be. They put on music in the surgical room, too. It wasn't loud or anything and it was mainly some background noise, and I actually thought it was really helpful to concentrate your mind on something else. So, anyway... I was completely fine during the surgery. I had a moment through the first one where I started feeling a little hot, and my palms got a little sweaty, but it passed and I was completely fine the remainder of the surgery and the rest of the day.

The second surgery was another spay on a 5 year old Rottie. This surgery was a little more invasive because it was a more mature dog who had already had one litter in her life. There was much more bleeding and it was a little more extensive, but I was completely fine! I was so proud of myself. Next was a dental on a chihuahua... she just had to have a tooth pulled. It was pretty minor and it only took about 10 minutes.

Then there was a female cat who was also from the humane society. The vet wasn't sure if she had been spayed or not because she had a scar, but it's placement was a little low and she said it didn't really look like a spay scar. We opened her up to double check, and it turns out that she was indeed spayed. Better safe than sorry, especially since she was going to go back to the humane society to be adopted. So anyway, since we already had her opened up, the vet decided it was a good opportunity for a little anatomy lesson. She showed me the bladder, spleen, and pulled out most of her small intestine to show me. It was so interesting! I'm amazed at how the body works. So then after her there was another cat who had to be spayed, and so we actually spayed her... 😛.

The last surgery of the day was a little orange kitten who had to be neutered. That was the most uncomplicated thing I saw the whole day! Seriously, after watching it once, I feel like I probably could have done it, or at least assisted. Along with watching the surgeries, I helped with moving the animals afterward and monitoring them as they woke from the anesthesia. The vet I shadowed was awesome. I asked her questions throughout the whole day and she explained everything to me. Each and every thing she did during the surgery, she explained what it was and why she was doing it. I really feel like I learned a ton and I'm so excited for my next shadowing day. Which brings me to saying, that my next opportunity to go back and shadow will probably be not next Wednesday, but the following one. So... two weeks from today. I told her that and she said if there were and cool or rare surgeries that were non-emergency that she could hold until that day, she would.

After today...so excited, so happy, and feeling SO right about this vet aspiration I have going.

😍 Good feelings!

By the way, kudos if you read all that!

Congrats! Kinda makes me wish I'd done shadowing; I started out as a tech and have always done that. I've come in to watch some interesting surgeries on my days off, but when I'm there to work, I don't have time to watch. 🙁

It sounds like you had an exciting day! I'm happy for you that you got to do that; it's a great experience. 🙂
 
Catch91,

It just made me smile to read about your experience as I know exactly what you meant/felt from my shadow opportunities. It's addictive isn't it? So, I would say you are well on your way to being truly hooked. I hope you get to continue to enjoy such great opportunities!
 
A piece of advice now:

Write all this down, just like you did for us. It will make it so much easier when you go to apply one day and can not only recount the hours but what you saw.

Glad you enjoyed yourself!
 
A piece of advice now:

Write all this down, just like you did for us. It will make it so much easier when you go to apply one day and can not only recount the hours but what you saw.
I agree. I made a spread sheet and kept track of my hours for 5 years. It came in handy for application time!
 
Congrats!!!

It kind of makes me jelous that everyone made you feel welcome. That is awesome!

And I apologize for bringing up the horror stories... being careful not to faint was the first thing the doctors told me before I watched surgery, and I wasn't 100% sure if you had seen surgeries or not.

They play music in our surgery room too, and it is usually pretty mellow.

Everytime that I went in, one of the techs would tease me and say, "I bet you could do all of these surgeries now!" The techs do the cat spays in our clinic...

Haha, I always wished that I could peak into the little incision when they are doing a spay... never got the chance... I saw an ovarian cyst once, and I saw an extremely full bladder... and a testicle that didn't drop... but that was about as interresting as I have seen in the spay/neuter department. The bone surgery was my favorite!

Urgh, if I don't get an email, phone call or letter by Friday, I have to get in touch with the vets in my area... and if they still don't get back to me, I have to find a way to get to the clinics and my area, pester then, and stay here when February break comes... I'm suffering from clinic, surgery, and animal withdrawal... I miss volunteering, I miss seeing neat things at the clinic, and I miss my own pets. It's tough.
 
Congrats!!!
Everytime that I went in, one of the techs would tease me and say, "I bet you could do all of these surgeries now!" The techs do the cat spays in our clinic...


I can't believe that the techs do the cat spays. That (I believe) is illegal. I've always been taught that only veterinarians (and students) could do surgeries.
 
I can't believe that the techs do the cat spays. That (I believe) is illegal. I've always been taught that only veterinarians (and students) could do surgeries.

HIGHLY illegal. At least in the US. I would think it's illegal in Canada, too. 😡

I wonder if the owners of these cats know that they're being operated on by technicians...is Canada really that different??!!!! Pardon me, but I'm disturbed. (Not meaning to take away the joy of your shadowing experience!)
 
HIGHLY illegal. At least in the US. I would think it's illegal in Canada, too. 😡

I wonder if the owners of these cats know that they're being operated on by technicians...is Canada really that different??!!!!

Yes it is. Its legal for techs to do (cat?) neuters in canada. I work for a vet who just moved down from there and it is common practice and completely legal.
 
Yeah. And if anybody saw what a cat neuter involved, they wouldn't pay more than 25 bucks for it. It's like a 5 minute surgery. 😉
 
Yes it is. Its legal for techs to do (cat?) neuters in canada. I work for a vet who just moved down from there and it is common practice and completely legal.

No, its not legal for techs to do ANY surgery in Canada whatsoever - not cat neuters (although BC may be the only province that differs in this), and definitely not cat spays.

I think its outrageous that techs are performing surgery.
 
Hmm, I'll double check with the DVM I work for tomorrow. They were from Atlantic Canada.
 
Even if it's legal for techs to do neuters, those are WAY less complicated/invasive than spays.
 
Interesting post! I loved reading this.

I (kind of) wish I'd started shadowing BEFORE becoming an animal caretaker. I wish I was used to the fast environment before I got the job... however, now it's kind of a good thing to feel so far ahead. I'm a teen and I have like 750 hours of experience so far! I've been writing down everything, and it's just great! =P

Good luck!

It sounds like a BUSY clinic! =D So, when are you going back?

Oh haha. Super exciting news. I'm now learning reception, and how to deal with clients, as well as different things like running bloodwork, setting up a fecal, and setting up a gram stain.
 
Yeah. And if anybody saw what a cat neuter involved, they wouldn't pay more than 25 bucks for it. It's like a 5 minute surgery. 😉

If you knew the anatomy involed, you wouldn't agree with this statement. Knowing what is normal and looking for abnormal is at least as important as the technical aspects of the procedure. Likewise for knowing when something doesn't go well (i.e., abnormal bleeding, a slipped ligature, etc).

If you do go to vet school, hopefully you won't undervalue your own training and knowledge one day.
 
Yeah. And if anybody saw what a cat neuter involved, they wouldn't pay more than 25 bucks for it. It's like a 5 minute surgery. 😉

I'm assuming you either don't have a lot of experience or you lack the perception to see the possible complications and necessary equipment and skill.
 
No, its not legal for techs to do ANY surgery in Canada whatsoever - not cat neuters (although BC may be the only province that differs in this), and definitely not cat spays.

I think it's outrageous that techs are performing surgery.

Sounds pretty sketchy to me too. I'm interested to hear what David594's vet that he works for says....

The vet I work for recently had to do a hernia repair on a dog that was spayed at another hospital (which shall remain nameless). When she opened the dog up and got in there, we could see that none of the sutures (aside from the skin sutures) had held. I think they had used simple continuous sutures rather than simple interrupted, so when one busted the whole thing unraveled. Um - not so good. (But I ain't no pro.) So yeah, it seems like a simple operation - and I'm sure that, relatively speaking, it is - but that doesn't mean that it can't be screwed up... Especially when you factor in the uncertainties surrounding anesthesia - everyone reacts differently, etc....


Interesting thread I just happened upon.... I've been lucky enough to see a ton of very cool surgeries. But for those who work for a vet and wish they could have seen more - couldn't you ask if you could come in on your day off or something just to observe surgery? Every vet must know the excitement surrounding surgery - especially the sexier (i.e. non-neuter non-spay) operations...
 
Sounds pretty sketchy to me too. I'm interested to hear what David594's vet that he works for says....

When I went for my vet tech interview, they said that in some practices, the techs do the spays and neuters... if that wasn't somewhat true, why would he say it?

It's not like the techs are there by themselves, fixing male cats. If something went wrong, a doctor is usually a few steps away... and they do it in pairs... and at least one of the techs have 20 years experience. And if something went seriously wrong at some point... you would think that they would change that rule? I don't know!

On the bright side, I'm looking at getting experience at another clinic anyway... yes I saw some neat things there, but I was pretty much ignored because I didn't live on a farm like all of the other volunteers, two of the doctors were snobby and mean, and the receptionists probably still don't know if I exist. There are only three clinics in my town... this one, the one that lied to my face, and then there is the last clinic... I have heard one sketchy thing about this clinic, which makes me nervous, but ten people absolutely love it there. I have heard some things about the clinic that I did volunteer at... but they came from a snobby, stuck-up, vet-to-be that abuses her animals and that should be in school with me now, but isn't because no apartments would let her take two of her three Australian Shepards with her.
 
Thanks for all your replies everyone. Lets try to get back to the point of the thread, though.

I am probably going back in 2 or 3 weeks. I can't miss school every Wednesday for weeks in a row, so I'll have to do it sort of spaced out until summer.

And for those of you who mentioned it, I'm way ahead of you about recording my hours.

:laugh:
 
Sounds pretty sketchy to me too. I'm interested to hear what David594's vet that he works for says....

Talked to my vet today and didn't get a definitive answer on the legality of it. My vet lived there, did vet school there and then came to the US to practice.

Just said that in the multiple clinics they worked at it was common place for techs to preform cat neuters(no dog neuters, no spays).
 
I think they had used simple continuous sutures rather than simple interrupted, so when one busted the whole thing unraveled. Um - not so good. (But I ain't no pro.)


Ummm excuse me but if you choose the correct material and tie your knots correctly, simple continuous is a perfectly fine choice for a linea closure. Actually most boarded surgeons are turning to prefer this way of closure. You close faster and use less suture material (less foreign material in there), and the incision line has less tension throughout than it does with a interrupted pattern.

Please don't critique surgical practices until you have gotten the education and are performing surgeries yourself.
 
Just said that in the multiple clinics they worked at it was common place for techs to preform cat neuters(no dog neuters, no spays).

It's nice to know that *my* clinic isn't doing anything crazy or illegal. I watched a half dozen of these, and I see nothing the matter with then doing it with the doctors around... especially since every single neuter involves a tech that has had over 30 years working in a clinic.

I can't really afford people labeling my clinic... there are three clinics in my area... one lied to my face when I asked if I could volunteer, there is the the one that I was at, and then there is one more that I am trying to get into. The next closest vet clinic is 20 minutes away and is run by the clinic that I was at (the vets take turns working at that clinic), and after that, the other vet clinics are in the capital, which is an hour away, which I could never ever do because of cost, my dad works days, my mom does shiftwork at night, and my mom can't drive in the city. Whoo.

Is it just me, or does everyone kind of "jump the gun" on these kinds of situations? Having people jump to conclusions without doing research first is very frusterating... I have a few questions about some of the things that they do and don't do at that clinic, and I'm now afraid to ask... the clinic does things that are out of the norm, and when I asked the vets there, they had a justifiable (spelled that wrong) reason for why they do it this way and not another way. I bet you if I asked, I will have a dozen people say "Thats not right!" and one person say, "It is right because..." "It is not right... here is why and here is what you can do about it." If my vet or doctor or whatever jumped the gun like that, I would be looking for another vet. Its just like in that other thread on communication... if you don't know the answer, find someone that does before you go rambling on about what you might know.

It's 2 am... there is a party (which was supposed to be over an hour and a half ago) two floors up (which I can still here) and I have to get up in five hours. I hate dorm life. So excuse me for being a little frusterated... I apologize. I'm going to try to sleep now 🙂

Catch91 - I'm going to stop stealing your threads 🙂 Can't wait to hear about your new experiences... the kennel attendent who I volunteered with... her second day of work, she got to see a c-section. If you get to see a c-section, I'm going to be pretty jelous.
 
Hey Catch - Yay! I'm glad you got to see some cool stuff! I told you that you'd be just fine ; )

Maybe over the summer they could use an extra hand there? Even for free? It's hard to turn away free work, especially if they're familiar with you and like you.

Surgery is cool, but there's plenty of other neat stuff too. Exams are fun to help with, and when it's not busy the techs could show you some stuff under the microscope, etc, etc. You've just scratched the surface of a very, very interesting place to be : )

Keep us updated! It's fun to hear someone having a blast with vetmed!
 
I'm glad you had a good time! I am very excited because tomorrow I get to volunteer at a vet hospital (first time volunteering at a vet hospital for me!). I don't get to see any surgeries though because I'm only going to volunteer in the evening since I have class in the morning. Oh well, still should be really fun! I did get to shadow a vet in the summer for a day so I saw him do a bunch of spays/neuters and remove a rock from a dog's intestine.

Anyhow, I hope you get to see some interesting surgeries next time you go in, and that you continue to enjoy shadowing so much!
 
Hey Catch - Yay! I'm glad you got to see some cool stuff! I told you that you'd be just fine ; )

Maybe over the summer they could use an extra hand there? Even for free? It's hard to turn away free work, especially if they're familiar with you and like you.

Surgery is cool, but there's plenty of other neat stuff too. Exams are fun to help with, and when it's not busy the techs could show you some stuff under the microscope, etc, etc. You've just scratched the surface of a very, very interesting place to be : )

Keep us updated! It's fun to hear someone having a blast with vetmed!


Yeah, they initially said that they usually don't take on volunteers because they have plenty of vet techs, but I'm hoping that by the summer I'll be hanging around enough to change their minds.

:laugh:
 
Ummm excuse me but if you choose the correct material and tie your knots correctly, simple continuous is a perfectly fine choice for a linea closure. Actually most boarded surgeons are turning to prefer this way of closure. You close faster and use less suture material (less foreign material in there), and the incision line has less tension throughout than it does with a interrupted pattern.

Please don't critique surgical practices until you have gotten the education and are performing surgeries yourself.


Okay okay.. no offense intended. And certainly it is true that I don't have any training. What I was referring to as not so good, and to which I think we can all agree, is that the sutures didn't hold and it resulted in a hernia and another surgery for the dog. Furthermore, I did not intend to be claiming to be a pro in the matter, as I stated, and was merely repeating what the vet I work for said about the problem with using simple continuous sutures in that case rather than simple interrupted. Perhaps I sould have been more clear that it was hear-say.
 
Wow, that sounds so exciting! I hope to find a clinic soon where I can do the same ... I'm a bit nervous about it, I have a thing about veins (yuck!), but I'm hoping it's just in relation to human bodies!

Would love to hear some more of your experiences 🙂
 
Wow, that sounds so exciting! I hope to find a clinic soon where I can do the same ... I'm a bit nervous about it, I have a thing about veins (yuck!), but I'm hoping it's just in relation to human bodies!

Would love to hear some more of your experiences 🙂

I have a problem watching human blood draws (even my own!) and human surgeries. But I don't have that same problem with stuff in the veterinary world. You'll find a lot of vets, vet students, and pre-vets feel this way. Good luck!

400th post! WOO HOO! hehe
 
I have a problem watching human blood draws (even my own!) and human surgeries. But I don't have that same problem with stuff in the veterinary world. You'll find a lot of vets, vet students, and pre-vets feel this way. Good luck!

400th post! WOO HOO! hehe

Thank you, that is really reassuring to hear! Sometimes you forget that there's people out there who have the same worries as yourself 🙂
 
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