NAPLEX - Passing Rates for 2015-2017 Graduates Per Pharmacy School!!

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NAPLEX - Passing Rates for 2015-2017 Graduates Per Pharmacy School!!

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Several schools that took a bit hit last year seemed to have bounced back some. Maybe they doubled down on NAPLEX prep to save face?
 
gwarm01 said:
Several schools that took a bit hit last year seemed to have bounced back some. Maybe they doubled down on NAPLEX prep to save face?
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Idk I think it’s less ******s in the classes tbh, and by ******s I mean idiots; not people with learning disabilities. (You know, the way we meant it back in the day before everyone got offended by everything and nothing)

I also completely put the fault on each student, not the school what so ever. It is your ass on the line, it’s up to you to study and review 4 years worth of material.

Anyway, who’s compiling the data in an intelligent way... like highest to worst pass rates? One of you residency-doing over achievers is itching for a project.... I can feel it.


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disgonbgud said:
2017 NEU grad here. Decent pass rate, most students I worked with were at least half-way competent. I'm not surprised at all by the MCP + Worcester pass rate of ~74%. During my rotations, maybe half of them demonstrated the level of knowledge required to find their way out of a box.
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At least MCP & Worcester are not on probation ... yet!
 
disgonbgud said:
MCP's main campus was on probation last summer. Boston pharmacy program put on probation - The Boston Globe
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I do remember that, but thanks for the reminder! Based on the following I'm guessing they are now off the probation list as only the following 4 are now listed

Hampton University School of Pharmacy
Ohio Northern University Raabe College of Pharmacy
Touro New York College of Pharmacy
University of Louisiana at Monroe College of Health and Pharmaceutical Sciences School of Pharmacy
 
gwarm01 said:
Several schools that took a bit hit last year seemed to have bounced back some. Maybe they doubled down on NAPLEX prep to save face?
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Some FAMU students told me they had to take a mock Naplex from their school before being allowed to take the real thing.
 
Probation don't mean anything. Too many schools stay on it and come up with "corrective plans" and ACPE keeps them on probation forever. The only thing we can hope is that applicants take a serious look at these schools and don't go to them no matter what.
 
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Some FAMU students told me they had to take a mock Naplex from their school before being allowed to take the real thing.
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The RXprep coursework has a pre-Naplex test included, and it was mandatory. It was probably 5x more difficult than the actual Naplex, at least.

I think most schools have made the RXprep coursework mandatory during rotations now?


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PharmDBro2017 said:
The RXprep coursework has a pre-Naplex test included, and it was mandatory. It was probably 5x more difficult than the actual Naplex, at least.

I think most schools have made the RXprep coursework mandatory during rotations now?


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So why is their passing rate only at ~70%?
 
zelman said:
Maybe because less than 70% passed the practice test?
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Our class had one person pass the RXprep pre-Naplex. ~88% passed the real Naplex. That said, I don’t think anyone actually studied for that crap... especially during p4 rotations and all the other bull**** that’s going on.


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cookiesarecool said:
Something to keep in mind, the Naplex had format changes in Nov 2015, and another in...Nov 2016.
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No doubt the format change and the add'l questions had an adverse affect on the scores, but it's been a couple of years now. How much time should students give the schools to catch-up?
 
I see my former Univ of WI, Madison is #1 @ 99.20% and Houston is #2 @ 99.04%, phenomenal! Why do you think these schools are doing so well?
 
Kevin.Mero said:
No doubt the format change and the add'l questions had an adverse affect on the scores, but it's been a couple of years now. How much time should students give the schools to catch-up?
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well before the change, some schools were doing paper & scantron testing, so some eventually changed over to ipad/examsoft testing which mimics the electronic format of the naplex. Change in 2015 made the test more clinical (w/typed in answering?), and 2016 increased the test length. I think examsoft probably should've been used starting in 2012 (4 yr school) or 2013 (3 yr schools), then rotations in 2015 to avoid student being disgruntle mid-program.
 
cookiesarecool said:
well before the change, some schools were doing paper & scantron testing, so some eventually changed over to ipad/examsoft testing which mimics the electronic format of the naplex. Change in 2015 made the test more clinical (w/typed in answering?), and 2016 increased the test length. I think examsoft probably should've been used starting in 2012 (4 yr school) or 2013 (3 yr schools), then rotations in 2015 to avoid student being disgruntle mid-program.
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Inasmuch as the organizations that appear to run everything (NABP, AACP & ACPE) have so little available to them to prevent new schools from opening (restrained of trade I know) that changing-up the exam format and length was about all they could do to disrupt the status quo.
 
PharmDBro2017 said:
I also completely put the fault on each student, not the school what so ever. It is your ass on the line, it’s up to you to study and review...


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I am glad ACPE doesn’t take this stance.
 
owlegrad said:
I am glad ACPE doesn’t take this stance.
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As a non-Pharmacist, can you explain what you mean by your comment? Re PharmDBro2017 point, I have a good friend who has taught for approx. 30 years in a school of pharmacist, he is also a Pharmacist. He says he has watched the students attitude towards pharmacy school change over the years. He tells them the job market has changed, that's just being to "fog mirror" is not going to cut it today. He says the students are just apathetic, don't show up for class, etc.
 
owlegrad said:
I am glad ACPE doesn’t take this stance.
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Our teachers were great (85-90%) of them... but at the end of the day it’s up to you to go home and learn the material. Sitting in class for two hours isn’t going to teach you 50 oncology drugs or antibiotics, indications, ddis, etc.

I’ve always taken the stance, even in undergrad, that if I don’t go home and read the book, then how would I expect to do well on the exam? It’s no ones fault if you get an F on exams, but your own.

No one is holding your hand in college or grad school... do your work and learn or get booted.

I’m solely talking about Naplex pass rates in this thread. For the # of schools issue: There is no doubt in my mind that we have too many schools and need to limit them/shut some down and not allow more to open.


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Having taken the NAPLEX in 2017, I would say that it is hard enough to burn you if you just show up and see what happens, however, I really did not feel it was so difficult to have this many failures.

I think the ACPE should just place a fine and class size reduction for any school that does not achieve 90%+ passing rate. Maybe put a 10% class size reduction for every 5% below 90%. These schools that live in the sub-80% range will just likely die off after years of fines and class reductions. Yes it will hurt the schools, but if they are having that many failures, then they clearly are trying to do too much. I think even double the fines and class reduction if there is no improvement the next year. Really the school has no reasonable argument. If the issue is that the students are not motivated or are this poor, then who's fault is that? They are the ones who took them, the ACPE is not forcing schools to take on crappier students.
 
PharmDBro2017 said:
Our teachers were great (85-90%) of them... but at the end of the day it’s up to you to go home and learn the material. Sitting in class for two hours isn’t going to teach you 50 oncology drugs or antibiotics, indications, ddis, etc.

I’ve always taken the stance, even in undergrad, that if I don’t go home and read the book, then how would I expect to do well on the exam? It’s no ones fault if you get an F on exams, but your own.

No one is holding your hand in college or grad school... do your work and learn or get booted.

I’m solely talking about Naplex pass rates in this thread. For the # of schools issue: There is no doubt in my mind that we have too many schools and need to limit them/shut some down and not allow more to open.


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That’s fine and all but when you have schools that are failing to prepare their students to pass the Naplex and become pharmacists, that does speak to a failing on the schools part, not just the students. What’s the point of a school I can’t prepare it students to be pharmacists ?
 
Kevin.Mero said:
As a non-Pharmacist, can you explain what you mean by your comment? Re PharmDBro2017 point, I have a good friend who has taught for approx. 30 years in a school of pharmacist, he is also a Pharmacist. He says he has watched the students attitude towards pharmacy school change over the years. He tells them the job market has changed, that's just being to "fog mirror" is not going to cut it today. He says the students are just apathetic, don't show up for class, etc.
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What I mean is I’m glad that ACPE expects schools to be able to prepare students to be pharmacist rather than just blaming the students if they don’t pass the Naplex.
 
owlegrad said:
That’s fine and all but when you have schools that are failing to prepare their students to pass the Naplex and become pharmacists, that does speak to a failing on the schools part, not just the students. What’s the point of a school I can’t prepare it students to be pharmacists ?
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I understand your point, and I also agree with you.

The disconnect between what you are taught in pharmacy school vs. what you actually do in the real world couldn’t be any larger though. Preparing pharmacists... just how much prep do you actually get sitting in a classroom? As much as rotations suck, nothing will prepares for our soul sucking jobs like working the drive-thru window.


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Most states require additional classes/intern hours if you fail multiple times. I feel that if you can't pass the NAPLEX after 3 tries that you probably shouldn't be a pharmacist. I'd be interested in knowing if you'd be barred from other states if you started an application after those failures?
 
PharmDBro2017 said:
I understand your point, and I also agree with you.

The disconnect between what you are taught in pharmacy school vs. what you actually do in the real world couldn’t be any larger though. Preparing pharmacists... just how much prep do you actually get sitting in a classroom? As much as rotations suck, nothing will prepares for our soul sucking jobs like working the drive-thru window.


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If what you're saying is true, and I do not doubt it, I'm very concerned what the next 3-5 years is going to look like for all new grads. The # of jobs for Pharmacists, especially new grad PharmD's is dropping. In the health system space we're being told by the decision makers that they are discouraging new grads from even applying. Some employers are only hiring Residents unless you're interning with them. Pharmacy Techs, on the other hand, couldn't be in more demand. We're seeing wages of Techs with as little 3 years of experience exceeding $77K. Cedars-Sinai has a 50-week Pharmacy Tech Residency program. I spoke with a hospital DOP recently who is offering just $82K for a new grad PharmD. He has 10+ resumes but no openings. If the organizational leadership at the schools isn't teaching you to what the marketplace is demanding you need to hold their feet to the fire!!
 
Seriously Serious said:
I'm going to assume the same after 5 retakes (i.e. get the BOP's approval for another retake or repeat a pharmacy program)
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After completing 6 years of school I guess you should assume you can pass the NAPLEX if given 3 tries, but if not if you have to repeat part or God forbid all of the program again that is severe!!
 
Kevin.Mero said:
After completing 6 years of school I guess you should assume you can pass the NAPLEX if given 3 tries, but if not if you have to repeat part or God forbid all of the program again that is severe!!
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You would think so, but I know a guy who failed all attempts and ended up working in finance when he couldn’t get licensed.
 
PharmDBro2017 said:
I understand your point, and I also agree with you.

The disconnect between what you are taught in pharmacy school vs. what you actually do in the real world couldn’t be any larger though. Preparing pharmacists... just how much prep do you actually get sitting in a classroom? As much as rotations suck, nothing will prepares for our soul sucking jobs like working the drive-thru window.


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Ha, touché. I guess I really should have focused my point on passing the Naplex. 😉
 
University of Oklahoma bolsters their reputation as the second best pharmacy school in the state. Second year in a row that they can't crack 90%.
 
owlegrad said:
That’s fine and all but when you have schools that are failing to prepare their students to pass the Naplex and become pharmacists, that does speak to a failing on the schools part, not just the students. What’s the point of a school I can’t prepare it students to be pharmacists ?
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Exactly. While the individual is responsible for their own performance, if a school has consistently low pass rates (like Husson), clearly the school shares some of the blame. Maybe the school needs to re-evaluate the way they teach the material or raise their admission standards.
 
BenJammin said:
University of Oklahoma bolsters their reputation as the second best pharmacy school in the state. Second year in a row that they can't crack 90%.
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But if there are only two schools in OK then their claim is correct! I sure hope they can come up with a better slogan, lol!! They had a 98.08% pass rate in 2015, I'm guessing they are suffering from the same NAPLEX changes affecting many other schools, or is something else responsible for the 9% point drop?
 
Kevin.Mero said:
We're seeing wages of Techs with as little 3 years of experience exceeding $77K. Cedars-Sinai has a 50-week Pharmacy Tech Residency program.
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Wait... what in the world?! What could you possibly need 50 weeks to teach a pharmacy technician? Does the word residency even mean anything anymore? Is this just a scam to pay techs $6/hr and work them 60+ hours per week under the guise of education? Will we start seeing residency programs for environmental service workers? Will this finally teach them how to properly gown before cleaning the IV Room?
 
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