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So I recently finished one of my rotations. Overall, it was ok. Not overly malignant site. However, there were several things that I have experienced that I am highly concerned about. Grading is one of them. Examples: One of the things that concerns me is that some of the attendings are not very academic and grade basically on whether they liked you or not. I was pretty much the only non-male individual in my team, and the discussions usually centered on women and other issues I was not particularly comfortably with discussing, etc etc. Attending is grading male students better than female students for this reason, also another of my concerns is student filling out their own evaluation form, resident showing favoritism/preferential treatment towards male students, etc. What should I do? I don't feel it's very appropriate and I think I will be getting the short end of the stick. Although I have gotten some awsome evaluations from more academically oriented people I've worked with, I am concerned about these issues mentioned. Should I mention them to the site director? I have worked with him and I believe he is very happy with my work. Thoughts?
 
Don't worry about how other people are doing. Why do you know their grades, anyway?

Focus on your own learning and career objectives and you will be happier and the outcome will be the same.
 
Don't worry about how other people are doing. Why do you know their grades, anyway?

Focus on your own learning and career objectives and you will be happier and the outcome will be the same.

Well because obviously when a student fills out his/her own evaluation, it is unfair to the rest. When a site director compiles grades, he/she looks at the evaluations that students received. How is it fair if a student gives him/herself an outstanding because he/she filled out their own evaluation? It's completely unfair to the rest of us. Also, an attending giving male students higher grades because they go along with talking about filth and being inappropriate and me getting a lower grade because I am not a guy and don't involve myself with those sorts of discussions is inappropriate. That is why I am concerned. I find both of these instances unfair and unethical on all levels.
 
Also, an attending giving male students higher grades because they go along with talking about filth and being inappropriate and me getting a lower grade because I am not a guy and don't involve myself with those sorts of discussions is inappropriate. That is why I am concerned. I find both of these instances unfair and unethical on all levels.

This wouldn't be a problem if you were cool.
 
Well because obviously when a student fills out his/her own evaluation, it is unfair to the rest. When a site director compiles grades, he/she looks at the evaluations that students received. How is it fair if a student gives him/herself an outstanding because he/she filled out their own evaluation? It's completely unfair to the rest of us.

It's no different if the evaluation was written as "outstanding," which was probably the intention if the student was allowed to write it himself.

Also, an attending giving male students higher grades because they go along with talking about filth and being inappropriate

Again, how do you know this is true?
 
It's no different if the evaluation was written as "outstanding," which was probably the intention if the student was allowed to write it himself.

So you think it's ok for students to write their own evaluations?

Again, how do you know this is true?

Because the resident already even told me that one of my male colleagues was a favorite of this doctor because he had promised him certain female companionship and such.
 
This wouldn't be a problem if you were cool.

:laugh:

Lots of people, male and female, have a problem with perverted/"filthy" discussions. Very few say anything about it because they don't want be the stick in the mud. The only thing different about you is that you have a constitutional reason to find such things offensive.
 
:laugh:

Lots of people, male and female, have a problem with perverted/"filthy" discussions. Very few say anything about it because they don't want be the stick in the mud. The only thing different about you is that you have a constitutional reason to find such things offensive.

There is no reason why I should get a lower grade just because I'm not a perverted guy.
 
If you were going to complain, you really should have done it before the rotation was over. If you still want to complain, you need to do it before grades come out. Otherwise, it looks like you're just upset because you didn't get the grade that you wanted. However, they are most likely not going to change your grade or anyone else's, because you certainly cannot prove that other students got better evaluations than you because they are males. If it would make you feel better to complain, go ahead and do it. But I would think very carefully about how you're going to phrase what you say, because you don't want to sound like you're just whining about grades. Everyone comes across at least one person during third year who they just don't get along with, or who just doesn't like them for no known reason. And yes, that affects your grade, and no, it's not fair. But that's the nature of the beast. Telling someone "the attending liked the male students better because they would talk inappropriately about women and that's not fair because he gave them better grades" is not going to go well, and is probably not worth reporting. However, if you honestly felt that they were behaving in an inappropriate, unprofessional way, OR they were actively discriminating against you, then you can report it, but again, I wouldn't bring your grade into it unless you felt that the comments he wrote about you were unfair for some reason other than you just think he didn't like you.
 
Well boo hoo hoo.😡
 
There is no reason why I should get a lower grade just because I'm not a perverted guy.

Agreed.

And while I'm far from being remotely close to the PC police, if your male superiors (residents and attendings) were constantly saying sexist, offensive things in your presence which made you uncomfortable...that's actually sexual harassment.

I'm not saying you should go sue them or anything, but it's definitely unfair and worth bringing to someone's attention. I agree that this should be a talk exclusive of discussing your grade, which is beside the point here. If you felt discriminated against, well, someone's gotta know.
 
So I recently finished one of my rotations. Overall, it was ok. Not overly malignant site. However, there were several things that I have experienced that I am highly concerned about. Grading is one of them. Examples: One of the things that concerns me is that some of the attendings are not very academic and grade basically on whether they liked you or not. I was pretty much the only non-male individual in my team, and the discussions usually centered on women and other issues I was not particularly comfortably with discussing, etc etc. Attending is grading male students better than female students for this reason, also another of my concerns is student filling out their own evaluation form, resident showing favoritism/preferential treatment towards male students, etc. What should I do? I don't feel it's very appropriate and I think I will be getting the short end of the stick. Although I have gotten some awsome evaluations from more academically oriented people I've worked with, I am concerned about these issues mentioned. Should I mention them to the site director? I have worked with him and I believe he is very happy with my work. Thoughts?

Medstudenquest,
Your concern is definitely legitimate, and I completely agree with your observations. Even though I am a male, I think that the discussions your housestaff were having were inappropriate (whether in your presence or not), your resident notifying you of the preferential treatment towards your colleague because he was "gettin hooked up" is disgusting, and you ending up with a lower grade is unacceptable. Throughout medical school we get reamed with the word "professionalism" 16 times per day, but surprisingly your colleague who ended up with a higher grade was not professional at all, and neither was the conduct of the residents. From reading your post, the thought that comes to mind is "how is this resident and med student functioning with their female patients? do they magically transform to perfectly appropriate, professional, and caring physicians in the exam room considering they did not have even a fraction of the same sensitivity to be respectful when a female colleague was in the room?"

The bottom line is, it sucks, and you are right. Since I guarantee you that you will continue to encounter this throughout this year and the rest of your career, here is what I recommend. 1) Do not worry about how anyone else is doing. I have found that my classmates who did best are the ones who focused on how they can do best and tried to learn/help their classmates however they could, rather than compete with them. 2) Be confident. Do not feel compared and do not panic about your grade. You are in it to learn, and when you are confident you learn better and you come off as more competent. 3) Always thank your resident for what you have learned. Even though you feel your learning was minimized by your experience, you still learned a lot, and should thank your teachers for it. When your resident feels appreciated by you despite his shortcomings, he/she will be more likely to appreciate you in return.

I had a very similar experience on OB/Gyn. I had an attending who absolutely hated males being on OB/GYN at all. It did not matter that I worked harder, was liked more by my patients, stayed later, cared more, and smiled wider. No matter what I did, I was abused by my attending while my female colleagues who on this particular rotation happened to be absolutely crappy students were sweet-talked and included on deliveries and surgeries far more frequently. I had a miserable time, but did my best to continue to follow the above advice. I ended up with the top evals collectively from all my attendings, nailed the boards, and honored the clerkship.

There will always be haters. Keep your head up.
 
Agreed.

And while I'm far from being remotely close to the PC police, if your male superiors (residents and attendings) were constantly saying sexist, offensive things in your presence which made you uncomfortable...that's actually sexual harassment.

I'm not saying you should go sue them or anything, but it's definitely unfair and worth bringing to someone's attention. I agree that this should be a talk exclusive of discussing your grade, which is beside the point here. If you felt discriminated against, well, someone's gotta know.

Yes, the sexual harassment thing is very true actually. There was also alot of touchy touchy behavior which I did not think was appropriate or "professional." i don't go around touching my residents/attendings-why should they? Yes, I'm not planning on suing them, but it was highly inappropriate. And the whole thing with the grades really upsets me because there was an atmosphere that was created where the male students could do as they wanted, yet everything i did was questioned, etc. It even came a time where some of the male students would even inform the resident that they would be coming in late, etc. I don't know what to do here really-I worked with the director of the overall clerkship and I think he thought I did well but I also don't want people to hate me or get people in trouble per se. At the same time, I don't want to be screwed over on the grade.
 
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