Need some advice. How I got to where I am today, and where to go from here.

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I need some advice. I currently have a 3.0 cumulative gpa and a 2.6 science gpa. I entered school full of motivation and overconfidence, and started out my first couple semesters alright. But that quickly dropped when I got hit by illness that kept me bedridden, and a bad breakup after being cheated on by my gf of 3 years. I got some B's and a C, which demotivated me way more than it should have since I had never gotten a bad grade. I realized that I didn't know if this path was what I really wanted. I went on taking the premed prereqs halfheartedly, deluding myself into believing it would all be fine.

Depression took a hold of me. I started smoking weed, and not just a little bit, but all day everyday. Then, I was arrested for possession of marijuana, which is something (Schedule I substance) you want to avoid at all costs if your goal is to become a physician. With that charge on my record my scholarships also disappeared. I felt like I was at rock bottom with nowhere to go, there was no way I would get into medschool. I didn't have much of a support structure, and ended up caring minimally about school and putting the most of my effort into finding friends. The friends that I found, though, were not the best influences, and I became involved in many things I shouldn't have. This included many, many drugs, from molly to cocaine to unknown powders from strangers. I was an addict, and the substance abuse quickly took a toll on my grades. But I couldn't stop, my priorities were out of whack. That semester I had to withdraw from a class because I couldn't get myself out of bed, got an F in another for the same reason, along with a D in orgo. My gpa was shot by the end of sophomore year.

The pattern and my substance abuse problems continued until the summer of my junior year. I thought I was having the time of my life with friends, going to music festivals, exploring and traveling, not caring of the future. Then, in an instance of sobriety, I was thinking about my past, my present, and my future, and realized I was full of regret. I didn't have any dreams any more, my passions had been erased and replaced with drugs, my best friends were all drug dealers, and the only experiences I would seek were those that involved being intoxicated in some form or other. So.. I got help. I started going to counseling sessions, and slowly, things began to change.

At the end of that summer, I interned at a psychiatric hospital in my hometown, which turned out to be what may have helped me the most. I saw a whole other world there, and people who had it so much worse than me. They had a child ward, and the some of the children there had gone through things you wouldn't believe. I would be there for the intake interviews and the daily updates with them, and got to learn their stories. One boy, 8 years old, was there for threatening to kill his sisters, among other behavioral issues. He was a ward of the state after his parents had been arrested for sexually abusing him, making him watch as they abused his sisters, and keeping him and his sisters locked in a small windowless room where the parents would feed them through a slit in the door. It was clear why he had problems. They also had a geriatric unit, where I became (I think) friends with a man diagnosed with schizophrenia who would tell these amazing stories about how he was a prison mafia boss and best friends with Donald Trump, amongst other fantastical tales. He was trapped by his mind, and very much non-functional. I also gained a deep respect for the doctor there, he could get anyone to open up to him, and you could tell how much he cared. While I was there he even had threw a surprise birthday party for a girl who had been stuck there for a few months, even though her behavioral issues had been cleared up, because her mom would always call and tell her she'd come pick her up, but not show up. The entire staff knew that her mom was never coming. She didn't even call on her birthday. That day the doctor even went out and bought her favorite food (McDonalds lol) because all they got to eat at the hospital was its ****ty cafeteria food. It made me want to help people like he did. So many people were in ****tier situations than I was, and I was doing nothing with my privileged life but wasting it away. I had found part of my motivation for becoming a physician. I decided I would turn my life around, despite how hopeless it seemed with my then 2.4 gpa (1.9 sGPA) and extremely limited extracurriculars.

Losing friends was not easy but, in an effort to stay sober, the next semester (senior year) I distanced myself from all the friends who I used to be close to. Saying no over and over again was one of the hardest things to do, but eventually there was no longer anyone asking me to go out to party, no one wanting to come over and smoke weed all day, no one to distract me from my goals anymore. I got my possession charge expunged. I became an RA at a great research lab, surrounded by other motivated lab mates, who became my new friends. I moved out of the party house I used to live in and got a single apartment, with my dog as my companion. I formed new habits and my drug problems completely disappeared. Things had completely flipped. I got near a 4.0. One professor even offered to write me a recc without me even asking! That was my senior year though, and just two semesters of a 4.0 wasn't near enough to dig me out of the hole I had made. I hadn't even taken the mcat. So, I delayed my graduation, I picked up some upper level sciences, and I studied my ass off for the mcat. This current year as a super senior, I made all A's again the first semester, got my name as an author on a publication, and I believe I'll get all A's this semester as well. I also took the mcat in January and scored a 519! It all feels good, but not enough, since my current gpa is still 3.0 cumulative and 2.6 science.

I started this post intending to post a brief question about what to do next, but I ended up digressing way too long into my life story, so I apologize for that. If any of ya'll are still reading, here's my original question. Should I apply to official post baccs, or should I do a diy post-bacc instead? Or should I delay my graduation even more to a sixth year to raise my gpa and graduate with an additional science major? I realize I should have applied earlier but I was too busy and scared of rejection, so I continued pushing it off until I got my mcat score. Finally, I have one more question. Would it be a mistake to mention my issues with substance abuse in my personal statement? It feels weird to not talk about it, as it was perhaps the greatest obstacle I had to overcome to find my drive to become a physician. Any advice you are willing to give is welcomed!
 
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I am in a very similar situation as you, our GPAS are almost identical and I started undergrad full of motivation, hope, and joy.
I came to Uni. with my good friend from high school. and I was trying to get out, meet new people where as he stayed in all day. In the beginning I branched out by myself but then I started staying in with him to be there for him essentially to not leave him behind. I had never used any kind of substance before matriculating into undergrad. But he is a substance fanatic. Introduced me to a lot of things i.e. cannabis, coke, xanax, etc. He gravitated towards finding people that shared the same enthusiasm and I naturally follow suit. At the time it was all fun and games but it took a toll on my priorities and academics. Not only did the substances lock me into a constant cycle of using and burning out. I was was in a constant conflict of hanging out and socializing and doing shiz like that, or being alone as I didn't have any other friends. I continued to follow this cycle of just doing that shiz all the time and then just stopping the day before the exam to study and until I took the exam. I was never used to not excelling as I graduated high school honors at the top 19% of my class, but I barely attended classes, only when it was mandatory.

Fall of junior year, we both had single dorms kind of distant from each other. he decided to start dealing, and he quickly made headway, thought he was Pablo Escobar or some shiz. LOL. but he has kind of lost himself, he has a great supporting family and there was no reason for him to be doing any of this except focusing on having a good time in college and his finance degree. I tried to help him and instead we ended up having a fight. my friendship was unsolicited I felt. and I was honestly tired of all of the substances and the constant melancholy cycle. If it wasn't for him I would have never used any of that stuff and even then it was my responsibility to know better from the beginning. So I stopped hanging out with him and other common friends. It was a good as I was now away from all the substances and bullshiz.

nonetheless he got caught and is facing charges rn, Ive been alone for a bit now, I don't have any close friends at Uni. and so no support system here. It hard for me to get out of bed most days and even being completely sober for months now I feel like shiz. I don't like saying I'm depressed but I essentially am. And for that now its still hard for me to excel, I have a shizzy gpa, I'm at the bottom of the applicant pool for med school and Its hard to find motivation. I've gotten better at attending class and have gotten more involved with extracurriculars but its not enough I don't have the drive I once did and I know what I have to do, as for completing school, extracurriculars and apply for medical school. I just need to break away from this burdensome cloud over me I feel.

Thankfully I am graduating early and will be done this year, and will be home with my family where I will be able to recover. I have to still take the MCATS and am looking at post bac programs rn.

I have the exact same questions as OP and any advice will be much appreciated. THANK YOU!

I started this post intending to post a brief question about what to do next, but I ended up digressing way too long into my life story, so I apologize for that. If any of ya'll are still reading, here's my original question. Should I apply to official post baccs, or should I do a diy post-bacc instead? Or should I delay my graduation even more to a sixth year to raise my gpa and graduate with an additional science major? I realize I should have applied earlier but I was too busy and scared of rejection, so I continued pushing it off until I got my mcat score. Finally, I have one more question. Would it be a mistake to mention my issues with substance abuse in my personal statement? It feels weird to not talk about it, as it was perhaps the greatest obstacle I had to overcome to find my drive to become a physician. Any advice you are willing to give is welcomed!
 
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I need some advice. I currently have a 3.0 cumulative gpa and a 2.6 science gpa. I entered school full of motivation and overconfidence, and started out my first couple semesters alright. But that quickly dropped when I got hit by illness that kept me bedridden, and a bad breakup after being cheated on by my gf of 3 years. I got some B's and a C, which demotivated me way more than it should have since I had never gotten a bad grade. I realized that I didn't know if this path was what I really wanted. I went on taking the premed prereqs halfheartedly, deluding myself into believing it would all be fine.

Depression took a hold of me. I started smoking weed, and not just a little bit, but all day everyday. Then, I was arrested for possession of marijuana, which is something (Schedule I substance) you want to avoid at all costs if your goal is to become a physician. With that charge on my record my scholarships also disappeared. I felt like I was at rock bottom with nowhere to go, there was no way I would get into medschool. I didn't have much of a support structure, and ended up caring minimally about school and putting the most of my effort into finding friends. The friends that I found, though, were not the best influences, and I became involved in many things I shouldn't have. This included many, many drugs, from molly to cocaine to unknown powders from strangers. I was an addict, and the substance abuse quickly took a toll on my grades. But I couldn't stop, my priorities were out of whack. That semester I had to withdraw from a class because I couldn't get myself out of bed, got an F in another for the same reason, along with a D in orgo. My gpa was shot by the end of sophomore year.

The pattern and my substance abuse problems continued until the summer of my junior year. I thought I was having the time of my life with friends, going to music festivals, exploring and traveling, not caring of the future. Then, in an instance of sobriety, I was thinking about my past, my present, and my future, and realized I was full of regret. I didn't have any dreams any more, my passions had been erased and replaced with drugs, my best friends were all drug dealers, and the only experiences I would seek were those that involved being intoxicated in some form or other. So.. I got help. I started going to counseling sessions, and slowly, things began to change.

At the end of that summer, I interned at a psychiatric hospital in my hometown, which turned out to be what may have helped me the most. I saw a whole other world there, and people who had it so much worse than me. They had a child ward, and the some of the children there had gone through things you wouldn't believe. I would be there for the intake interviews and the daily updates with them, and got to learn their stories. One boy, 8 years old, was there for threatening to kill his sisters, among other behavioral issues. He was a ward of the state after his parents had been arrested for sexually abusing him, making him watch as they abused his sisters, and keeping him and his sisters locked in a small windowless room where the parents would feed them through a slit in the door. It was clear why he had problems. They also had a geriatric unit, where I became (I think) friends with a man diagnosed with schizophrenia who would tell these amazing stories about how he was a prison mafia boss and best friends with Donald Trump, amongst other fantastical tales. He was trapped by his mind, and very much non-functional. I also gained a deep respect for the doctor there, he could get anyone to open up to him, and you could tell how much he cared. While I was there he even had threw a surprise birthday party for a girl who had been stuck there for a few months, even though her behavioral issues had been cleared up, because her mom would always call and tell her she'd come pick her up, but not show up. The entire staff knew that her mom was never coming. She didn't even call on her birthday. That day the doctor even went out and bought her favorite food (McDonalds lol) because all they got to eat at the hospital was its ****ty cafeteria food. It made me want to help people like he did. So many people were in ****tier situations than I was, and I was doing nothing with my privileged life but wasting it away. I had found part of my motivation for becoming a physician. I decided I would turn my life around, despite how hopeless it seemed with my then 2.4 gpa (1.9 sGPA) and extremely limited extracurriculars.

Losing friends was not easy but, in an effort to stay sober, the next semester (senior year) I distanced myself from all the friends who I used to be close to. Saying no over and over again was one of the hardest things to do, but eventually there was no longer anyone asking me to go out to party, no one wanting to come over and smoke weed all day, no one to distract me from my goals anymore. I got my possession charge expunged. I became an RA at a great research lab, surrounded by other motivated lab mates, who became my new friends. I moved out of the party house I used to live in and got a single apartment, with my dog as my companion. I formed new habits and my drug problems completely disappeared. Things had completely flipped and I was even volunteering part time at an addiction treatment center. I got a 4.0. One professor even offered to write me a recc without me even asking! That was my senior year though, and just two semesters of a 4.0 wasn't near enough to dig me out of the hole I had made. I hadn't even taken the mcat. So, I delayed my graduation, I picked up some upper level sciences, and I studied my ass off for the mcat. This current year as a super senior, I made all A's again the first semester, got my name as an author on a publication, and I believe I'll get all A's this semester as well. I also took the mcat in January and scored a 521! It all feels good, but not enough, since my current gpa is still 3.0 cumulative and 2.6 science.

I started this post intending to post a brief question about what to do next, but I ended up digressing way too long into my life story, so I apologize for that. If any of ya'll are still reading, here's my original question. Should I apply to official post baccs, or should I do a diy post-bacc instead? Or should I delay my graduation even more to a sixth year to raise my gpa and graduate with an additional science major? I realize I should have applied earlier but I was too busy and scared of rejection, so I continued pushing it off until I got my mcat score. Finally, I have one more question. Would it be a mistake to mention my issues with substance abuse in my personal statement? It feels weird to not talk about it, as it was perhaps the greatest obstacle I had to overcome to find my drive to become a physician. Any advice you are willing to give is welcomed!

First off, thank you for sharing your story. Congratulations on all the progress you've made, and if you don't hear it enough already, you are certainly an inspiration.

I got my possession charge expunged.

This was my first and biggest worry. I'm glad you took care of this.

I also took the mcat in January and scored a 521!

Again, congratulations! This is no easy feat.

I realize I should have applied earlier but I was too busy and scared of rejection

No, I don't believe you should have applied earlier. I believe that you need to work on your GPA some more before applying so that you don't get immediately screened out of GPA cutoffs. As for how to increase your GPA, I'd recommend staying in school so that your classes change your undergrad GPA (rather than establishing a post-bacc or Masters GPA). This way, you'll be able to establish an upward trend to show how you've grown and matured over the years. Having a name on a publication also works in your favor.

Also, with the extra time as an undergrad, get started with some longitudinal clinical and non-clinical volunteering. Establish relationships with faculty who can write strong LoRs for you. Shadow some when you can.

Best of luck to you, OP.
 
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things had completely flipped and I was even volunteering part time at an addiction treatment center. I got a 4.0. One professor even offered to write me a recc without me even asking! That was my senior year though, and just two semesters of a 4.0 wasn't near enough to dig me out of the hole I had made. I hadn't even taken the mcat. So, I delayed my graduation, I picked up some upper level sciences, and I studied my ass off for the mcat. This current year as a super senior, I made all A's again the first semester, got my name as an author on a publication, and I believe I'll get all A's this semester as well. I also took the mcat in January and scored a 521! It all feels good, but not enough, since my current gpa is still 3.0 cumulative and 2.6 science.


You are an inspiration! thank you for sharing! how did you study for the MCAT and how are you studying for classes? any tips and routines that you follow?
 
Wow this is very inspiring!
As a fellow pre med I admire your tenacity!

I think you should delay your graduation, and pursue some upper level courses to help boost your GPA!

Also while your at it, you can start on your EC's in your off time!


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Powerful story, keep it up and you will get in its just a matter of when.
 
I need some advice. I currently have a 3.0 cumulative gpa and a 2.6 science gpa. I entered school full of motivation and overconfidence, and started out my first couple semesters alright. But that quickly dropped when I got hit by illness that kept me bedridden, and a bad breakup after being cheated on by my gf of 3 years. I got some B's and a C, which demotivated me way more than it should have since I had never gotten a bad grade. I realized that I didn't know if this path was what I really wanted. I went on taking the premed prereqs halfheartedly, deluding myself into believing it would all be fine.

Depression took a hold of me. I started smoking weed, and not just a little bit, but all day everyday. Then, I was arrested for possession of marijuana, which is something (Schedule I substance) you want to avoid at all costs if your goal is to become a physician. With that charge on my record my scholarships also disappeared. I felt like I was at rock bottom with nowhere to go, there was no way I would get into medschool. I didn't have much of a support structure, and ended up caring minimally about school and putting the most of my effort into finding friends. The friends that I found, though, were not the best influences, and I became involved in many things I shouldn't have. This included many, many drugs, from molly to cocaine to unknown powders from strangers. I was an addict, and the substance abuse quickly took a toll on my grades. But I couldn't stop, my priorities were out of whack. That semester I had to withdraw from a class because I couldn't get myself out of bed, got an F in another for the same reason, along with a D in orgo. My gpa was shot by the end of sophomore year.

The pattern and my substance abuse problems continued until the summer of my junior year. I thought I was having the time of my life with friends, going to music festivals, exploring and traveling, not caring of the future. Then, in an instance of sobriety, I was thinking about my past, my present, and my future, and realized I was full of regret. I didn't have any dreams any more, my passions had been erased and replaced with drugs, my best friends were all drug dealers, and the only experiences I would seek were those that involved being intoxicated in some form or other. So.. I got help. I started going to counseling sessions, and slowly, things began to change.

At the end of that summer, I interned at a psychiatric hospital in my hometown, which turned out to be what may have helped me the most. I saw a whole other world there, and people who had it so much worse than me. They had a child ward, and the some of the children there had gone through things you wouldn't believe. I would be there for the intake interviews and the daily updates with them, and got to learn their stories. One boy, 8 years old, was there for threatening to kill his sisters, among other behavioral issues. He was a ward of the state after his parents had been arrested for sexually abusing him, making him watch as they abused his sisters, and keeping him and his sisters locked in a small windowless room where the parents would feed them through a slit in the door. It was clear why he had problems. They also had a geriatric unit, where I became (I think) friends with a man diagnosed with schizophrenia who would tell these amazing stories about how he was a prison mafia boss and best friends with Donald Trump, amongst other fantastical tales. He was trapped by his mind, and very much non-functional. I also gained a deep respect for the doctor there, he could get anyone to open up to him, and you could tell how much he cared. While I was there he even had threw a surprise birthday party for a girl who had been stuck there for a few months, even though her behavioral issues had been cleared up, because her mom would always call and tell her she'd come pick her up, but not show up. The entire staff knew that her mom was never coming. She didn't even call on her birthday. That day the doctor even went out and bought her favorite food (McDonalds lol) because all they got to eat at the hospital was its ****ty cafeteria food. It made me want to help people like he did. So many people were in ****tier situations than I was, and I was doing nothing with my privileged life but wasting it away. I had found part of my motivation for becoming a physician. I decided I would turn my life around, despite how hopeless it seemed with my then 2.4 gpa (1.9 sGPA) and extremely limited extracurriculars.

Losing friends was not easy but, in an effort to stay sober, the next semester (senior year) I distanced myself from all the friends who I used to be close to. Saying no over and over again was one of the hardest things to do, but eventually there was no longer anyone asking me to go out to party, no one wanting to come over and smoke weed all day, no one to distract me from my goals anymore. I got my possession charge expunged. I became an RA at a great research lab, surrounded by other motivated lab mates, who became my new friends. I moved out of the party house I used to live in and got a single apartment, with my dog as my companion. I formed new habits and my drug problems completely disappeared. Things had completely flipped and I was even volunteering part time at an addiction treatment center. I got a 4.0. One professor even offered to write me a recc without me even asking! That was my senior year though, and just two semesters of a 4.0 wasn't near enough to dig me out of the hole I had made. I hadn't even taken the mcat. So, I delayed my graduation, I picked up some upper level sciences, and I studied my ass off for the mcat. This current year as a super senior, I made all A's again the first semester, got my name as an author on a publication, and I believe I'll get all A's this semester as well. I also took the mcat in January and scored a 521! It all feels good, but not enough, since my current gpa is still 3.0 cumulative and 2.6 science.

I started this post intending to post a brief question about what to do next, but I ended up digressing way too long into my life story, so I apologize for that. If any of ya'll are still reading, here's my original question. Should I apply to official post baccs, or should I do a diy post-bacc instead? Or should I delay my graduation even more to a sixth year to raise my gpa and graduate with an additional science major? I realize I should have applied earlier but I was too busy and scared of rejection, so I continued pushing it off until I got my mcat score. Finally, I have one more question. Would it be a mistake to mention my issues with substance abuse in my personal statement? It feels weird to not talk about it, as it was perhaps the greatest obstacle I had to overcome to find my drive to become a physician. Any advice you are willing to give is welcomed!
Congratulations on battling your weaknesses and turning things around. That's no easy feat.

As for the school situation, I'm not sure there's a reason to delay graduation unless it has something to do with loans/money. I believe you need to have a major declared for loans, so if you need them then you could stay in school another year.

Here's the caveat: If you've already got 140ish hours worth of attempted courses, it's going to be very hard to move the needle on your GPA. Ex: If you have 140 hours of classes at a 3.0 average, even another full time year (30 credit hours) at a 4.0 will only boost you to a 3.18. It might move your sGPA slightly more, but that's also less significant for your med school app. Moving from a 3.0 -> 3.2 visibibly improves your acceptance chances at your MCAT level, but those GPA buckets are wide (i.e. are they accepting people at a 3.39 and not at a 3.21?) and there are not many people with that combination, so YMMV. Unfortunately, this only tells you about MD schools. I would assume that DO schools would be more lenient. https://www.aamc.org/download/321508/data/factstablea23.pdf

The only other realistic option you have is an official post-bacc program or an SMP. Both of these are pricey, though you can get loans for them. Both will give you a much higher chance of being accepted to medical school. However, they're both much harder than undergrad and they will give you a more realistic idea of what medical school is like. It's not too late to apply this year, if you wanted to. I actually applied much later in the year and was accepted for that fall. But I'd make your decision sooner rather than later.

Finally, your question about substance abuse. Personally, I would not write about it. I find that it is never a good idea to give people a reason to reject you when you don't have to. It is a great personal accomplishment for you and I have every hope that you will maintain your sobriety for the rest of your life. That being said, there will always be those who doubt if you can maintain it. "Will the stress of medical school, residency, or being a doctor cause him to relapse? We can't take that chance."

Good luck to you, and feel free to reach out if you'd like.
 
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