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Originally posted by accidental
I'm sure ASDOH let's their students talk to each other. Ever thought of that?
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Yeah, why would they talk about their personal lives, school etc when they can talk about a post written on studentdoctor over a year ago. And I'm sure he listened so intenly that he memorized the details of the conversation.

What was I thinking?

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Originally posted by mcataz
You can choose to drink the Kool Aid, but anyone with common sense can read through the bull$it. Your school simply lacks MONEY! You don't have the budget to hire professors full time and provide them with the necessary office space etc.
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Hey, I'm back becauset his is just absurd. Lacks money? We are ONE university under the umbrella of AT Still University of Health Sciences (http://www.atsu.edu). How do we lack money? Does our sister medical school lack money? How about our sister School of Health Management? We have PLENTY of office space. In fact, we have an entire third floor that is empty. The BEST professors in the nation come in to teach us--of course they must be free, given that we lack money.

So why don't those same deans fire their tenured faculty at their own dental schools, and emulate what Arizona is doing since it is so groundbreaking?
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Please tell me you actually know what the term "tenured" means. If you did, then you wouldn't question why they can't be fired.

Right except your dental students doesn't have access to full gross anatomy labs, basic science professors on campus
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Which really puts me in an awkward position, considering I spent ALL morning in our full gross anatomy lab. I should have realized that those bodies weren't really bodies.

All those basic science professors on our campus are going to be really dissappointed when they learn that their masters degrees, MD degrees, and Ph. D. degrees don't mean anything. Who do you think teaches the PA students? How about the PT students? Audiology students? Sports Health Care students? Occupational Therapy students? They must teach themselves since there aren't any basic science faculty available.

Mcataz, why all the hostility towards a place you've NEVER visited? Towards a school you've NEVER sat foot in? Towards an entire university you know NOTHING about?

I'm free anytime. Drop me a PM and I'll give you a personal tour of the school. Lunch is on me whenever you have the time and the desire to get your information first-hand.

I've taken several SDNers to lunch already, and I'm always up for more. ANYBODY interested in the school is free to PM me and come hang out. Those who aren't interested are still entitled to a free lunch, although cheeseburgers don't send well through the postal system.

But seriously, if our school didn't have SOME substance behind it, it wouldn't have been accepted into the WICHE program (first time EVER for a school that hasn't graduated a class yet), nor would it have received superior commendations from the ADEA, the ADA, and the CODA.
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Originally posted by mcataz
Dinonuggets

You joined November 28, 2003. I posted messages relating to ASDOH back in February 2003. Oddly enough, the conversation I had back then was with GAVIN. How would you know and remember in detail information I posted regarding ASDOH over a year ago if you didn't join until a little under 2 months ago? Hmmm

Ooops someone got caught. It looks like someone is using multiple usernames

Can anyone guess who it might? :laugh:
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Hmm, before you jump to conclusions, you ought to go back and read that thread. I think you'll see that it wasn't me you had the conversation with. Sorry to burst your bubble.

In fact, I'll save you the trouble and provide the link to the same ridiculous statements you made nearly a year ago:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58500
 
I must post something here, however it will be directed to the initial complaint of the interview. I live in AZ and have been highly impressed with the school. The fact is, the interview was a big disappointment. It was fun and all, but the objective for me was to show that I had social skills to accompany my good stats and I didn't get the chance to do that.

To me, the school and staff are excellent. I don't think the interview was a true representation of what the school is all about. And yes, I felt some arrogance from the deans, but I guess that's what they are there for. However, I don't like to be told that my chances of getting into AZ are as slim as getting into Harvard, UCLA etc.
 
Originally posted by Barry20
However, I don't like to be told that my chances of getting into AZ are as slim as getting into Harvard, UCLA etc.
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Dude, you know me and you KNOW I want you in next year's class. Sorry you haven't heard anything yet. It'd be nice to have another Mesa kid in the class.

I think they told you it was tough to get into because many of the Arizona applicants seem to think it's a public school, and they are shocked when they don't get in (I know that you didn't have this misconception).

Many some of that perceived arrogance was due to the demand to enter the school. I sure don't envy the adcoms' job, that's for sure. As of last week they had received just under 2,100 applications for the 54 spots, so it's tight going.
 
Originally posted by dinonuggets
Come on jaap, let's not mince words....

I'm not familiar with any previous posts you may have made on other threads relating to ASDOH. What I am familiar with are the posts you made on this thread relating to our dean and our school in general (how we're cocky or something). Now you can try and spin it, and explain how your earlier posts dont take shots at ASDOH but the sentiment and tone of your aforementioned posts in this thread are unmistakable.

You insinuate that we dont expect that people may be wary of what we are trying to accomplish here, nothing could be further from the truth. Anytime you try and do something new and different, it is going to be met with skepticism. Much of that skepticism may even be justified. Wariness and even skepticism are fine; we EXPECT that. What we don't expect are for people to be disrespectful and propagate misinformation..
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Maybe my tone has been negative; but more out of annoyance than any grudge I have against Arizona (again: I have none). I can see how you could be frustrated and I apologize. I have realized the students at Arizona are involved with the development of the school and are probably tied emotionally to seeing it succeed. If you consider yourself to be part of a project that others are putting down unfairly, I can see how you could get upset. So again I apologize, I guess I never considered a student having that kind of relationship with a school. It's certainly not the kind of relationship I would want, but that's your perogative. Good luck.🙂
 
Sorry to jump into the mess....

but...I was interviewed at Arizona back in November. I read both positive and negative comments about Arizona. I went there with an open-mind. I wanted to see what the school is all about.

My first impression of the school was..the court yard smelled bad.

Dr. Simenson was the first person I greeted. During the
pre-interview chats, he complimented my undergrad institution and mentioned Arizona ranks my school as #1. I was flattered. He then told me I had a very impressive background, I was even more flattered. To clarify, my GPA is avarage. I had a rough first two years, afterwards I have been getting 3.8's consistantly. So,
I went into my interview feeling confident.

Everything pretty much went downhill from there. There was a panel of 2 faculty and a student. My student interviewer was not friendly in particular at all, he had no expressions on his face. I wish he told me more about his experience about AZ, he only spoke very little. My two faculty interviewer werealrite. One was pretty stubborn, the other one seemed more flexible. I answered most of my geography questions without much trouble. I was grilled at the end with the dilemma problem. I felt the way the question was structured is a realistic situation but there are some many ways to go about it. My interviewers insisted on only one solution which I find it very difficult to comprehend. I have been an office manager at a dental office and I know first hand how to deal with tough situations. I have to agree with people who felt the interviewers were close-minded based on that question alone.

The group problem based session was fun. I actually enjoyed that part of the interview. I think that's unique and I think Arizona should definitely keep that part of the interview b/c it's fun and interactive.

Most of my negative feelings about Arizona came from the student population pool. I am a person who loves diversity, the students I have met that day were all Caucasians, married, and some with kids. I did not see one minority student that day. (I went on a saturday). I was also the only minority student interviewing there that day. The first thing came to my head was lack of diversity at Arizona. Aside from that, I felt intimated by my interviewers. I mentioned during my interview that I was disappointed in dentistry today b/c it's becoming less humanistic and more business like. My comment might have offened Dr. Simenson b/c he used to work for 3M.

Another thing that bothers me is, when Arizona's instructor only come in for 1 or 2 weeks to lecture and then they just take off,
what if students have questions on the material months later, how are they going to the instructor's office hours for assistance? such as clarification of lecture materials? I found that to be difficult at a school where students can't have access to their instructor year round, and the instructor will only stick around for no more than a few weeks. When they are gone, then they are gone! Im sure students will have questions when it comes to final times, where are they going to ask their instructors for some in-person help?

I left Arizona with a mixed feeling. I was not a bit surprised that a rejection letter came in early December. I honestly don't think I will be happy at Arizona. As a girl who loves beaches and diversity of either LA or SF, I can't see myself at Arizona. I probably won't fit in very well in the student class, either.
I know Arizona did not reject me based on my merit, it's more based on they can't see me fit into their class. I have been offered multiple accepances with merit based scholarships too, and I am still in the interviewing process with the UC's. Rejection from Arizona has not hurt my confidence in any way. I am glad that the school is not for me, and I am not right for the school either. It's a win-win situation for both the school and me. I'm not taking up someone else's spot.

A lot of people are skeptical about Arizona, I think it's totally normal. It's just like USC which is undergoing the transition to PBL. I have friends who love it and friends who hate it. The program itself is undergoing a lot of changes and fine-tuning. It'll take them several years to solidify their program. Same thing can be said about Arizona.

Just my two cents. I hope I didn't offen anyone.
P.S. I have posted in the interview feedback forum.
 
Mary,

Of all the feedback posts yours is one of the most valuable simply because we can associate a name with it.

Your feedback is right on the money for what you experienced and is HONEST about your experience.

That's great feedback (regardless of whether it has a positive or negative voice).
 
mcat, mcat, mcat...where do I start with you? First, I am making a plea to all rational SDN'ers to help this guy out (for real)...

I aksed you why you were coming out with many of the same misinformed, ill-advised comments you had last year, and you reply by telling me that I'm Gavin and asking how I could know about a thread that occured a year ago?

First of all, the fact that I registered two months ago doesnt mean that I havent been browsing the forum for longer. You quote me as saying that I (the almighty dinonuggets) am relatively new to the forum; well, I am. I am new as a contributer not as a visitor. Just to let you know (and please, let your guard down and accept what I am telling you) I first became aware of SDN last year, and I registed as 'onetime' b/c I had planned on posting 'onetime' and being done with the forum. So, it was me who started the "Truth about AZ Thread" way back when (you know the thread that you referenced as being your conversation with GAVIN, when in actuality it was a my initial thread, and it was me who settled you down to the point where you finally through in the towel with your "fair enough" post towards the end of the thread).

While I ended up posting more than 'onetime' I soon tired of SDN, and moved on. (Really, I was only intersted in the ASDOH threads). So, I was on SDN as contributor for a couple of weeks about a year ago but keep in mind I didnt visit any other forums nor did I really get involved with many other threads on the predental forum, except for those that dealt with ASDOH. A couple of months ago I rejoined as dinonuggets, and I have since made an effort to take advantage of all the info that is available on this website. This is why I consider myself relatively new to the forum, and I cant make any informed judgements about other contributors EXCPEPT for what I have seen people post on THIS thread.

Basically mcataz, you have proved to me that you are a real piece of work. Instead of researching the thread from a year you came right out and spoke on something you clearly didnt know enough about. You fly off the cuff with accusations that "Gavin is dinonuggets" and you have proof: how assinine. The fact is bro, onetime is dinonuggets and I dealt with you last year and now you're back for more, and I will deal with you again.

Your posts (at least those regarding ASDOH) are comical as you have set a pattern of speaking on things you know nothing about. Your groundbreaking discovery that "Gavin is dinonuggets" and you have proof, is a perfect example of this...now let me get on with your flawed statements about ASDOH...

You say we, "... don't have the budget to hire professors full time and provide them with the necessary office space etc..." then I guess all the MEd's, MS's, MD's, PhD's, and so on who teach the PA's, PT's, PhD audiology and ocupational therapy, and sports medicine students dont really exist. I guess the department suites (ie, large facutly offices) dont exist either, they must be a figment of my imagination. Speaking of these students, I need to call you out for how you refer to them as "allied health programs" in such a condescending manner. You know, like when you say that ASDOH is just thrown into another building with a bunch of "allied health programs" as if to infer that they are lesser than might DDS students. And dont try and back pedal you way out of this, instead pay respect those students and acknowledge their hard work.

You also brilliantly stated how we have no gross labs? then i guess that fermaldehyde smell that I cant get out of my clothes or off my hands is also a figment of my imagination (you know, like all the faculty departments), and the skulls that we have beend dissecting for the past couple of weeks dont exist, nor the cadavers we worked on first semester. Yeah, that's it! It's a all an illusion, thanks for helping me to realize this.

In one of my posts I explained to you (for like the third or fourth time) that the reason we have limited full time (tenured) faculty is because that's what our advisory committee strongly recommended, NOT DUE TO A LACK OF FUNDING.

In response to this you brilliantly asked, and I quote, " So why don't those same deans fire their tenured faculty at their own dental schools, and emulate what Arizona is doing since it is so groundbreaking? I guess that "limited full time" faculty is good enough for ASDOH but not good enough for their own schools. That makes sense..."

This was my favorite! Hey mcataz, feel free to assume that if you dont know what a word means, you shouldnt try and use it in a sentence.

About your story with your boss (you know the alum from UOP) who is so close to Dr. Dugoni. Well you went from having lunch with one person (your boss) to having lunch with "4 UOP recent alumni," anyone can see that your story changed b/c I quoted your original comment and then when I went back to re-read your epic post, your story had changed from lunch with one to lunch with four?

Now, let me teach you a little something about the phrase, "I heard it from the horses mouth." The horse represents the person who you are talking about. SO, the 'horse' would be Dr. Dugoni, not one (or four) person who emails him.

Perhaps best of all is the classic diversionary tactic you implored to shift the attention from the subject at hand (ASDOH), to your epic Gavin is dinonuggets...Sadly, this was extremely effect?

Now, the mob mentality of SDN has jumped all over that false claim to the point the thread was shut down, and this has gotten you off the hook with your weak and unjustified comments about ASDOH.
 
Dude, why dont you be a man about things, exhibit a little bit of character and come to ASDOH?

This would allow you to see what's going on here, AND to meet both Gavin and myself.

We will give you a VIP tour, introduce (or re-introduce? I think claim to have met him) you to Dr. Dillenberg, and the other faculty (you know, the ones that dont exist), show you the cadaver lab (you the one that doesnt exist), the library (you know the one that doesnt exist), the sim lab, show you the clinic designs (you know the one that isnt going to be built), show you where they've begun breaking ground, show the immense space we have (you know at our campus that is too small), let you see witness of Dr. Dugoni in our development literature (you know the one who is too busy, and never was/is involved with our curriculum)...

And , as Gavin already mentioned, we'll take you out for a nice lunch afterwards!

It would be great.
 
Gavin or Dinonuggests (whatever you want to be called)

So now that's your angle. You and Dinonuggets are "friends." LOL

Okay enough of this silliness. Your IP addresses came from the same school. And they can be different if you post from a computer lab since each computer terminal will have a different IP which is probably what you did. And Dinonuggets never claimed he posted under a different name last year. He said he was new to SDN. Nice Try Gavin!

Anyway, I could care less if you want to continue the charade. But realize everyone knows you two are the same person. I don't hate you Gavin and I need to apologize in a way. It's wrong of me to attack your school let alone any dental school. All dental schools will provide you with the tools to become a successfull dentist. And I'm sure there are some Arizona students that are reading this and they aren't too thrilled with people bashing their school. But they are too polite to say anything. So for those people, I'm not going to say anything negative about the Arizona school.

However, I think you should stop pimping your school every chance you get. It just annoys members. Step outside of the box and look at it from everyone else's perspective. You too would be annoyed by your constants rants about your school. Everyone provides information about their school. But you take it to another level in which you are practically begging people to attend Arizona.

Despite your botched aliases, people still like you. But I think I can speak for most people on here in that you obsess over your school way too much. Just tone it down a little and you will be OTAY as Buckwheat says.

later bro
 
The last thing I hope to have to say about the ill-advised "Gavin is dinonuggets" accusation is this.

The moderator stated that the IP addresses both came from the same place. This is true, often we are at school while browsing SDN. This is why you soemtimes see us post on the same threads, at the same time! If Gavin or I see something of interest we usually let the other know. If somebody desires further information, the moderator COULD check the IP addresses of other posts (ie, the ones we make from our respective homes), and see that they are indeed different.

For those who know Yah-E (Andy from Nova), he can vouch that he spoke to 'onetime' last year. I PM'ed him with a lot of questions and instead of taking the time to write me, he suggested I call him, and I did, and we spoke in depth about dental school (starting a new program, boards, dental decks, etc...do you remember that Andy? Remember you gave me advice as to things I should do to help with the start of this program, and how you had met Dr. Dillenberg at a convention here in AZ?), and I appreciated his insight...Andy, do the right thing and let these people know of our conversation. The defamation of Gavin's character is unjustified and unfair.

Really, this is absolutely Ridic. RIDIC. I mean be real people. Gavin has been on this forum for years now and he's been the source of countless (well, nearly 4K) posts that many of us have benifitted from.

I dont feel the need to clear my name, but Gavin's (not that he really cares) as I feel he has put A LOT into this website.

What's crazy to me is that so many allowed mcataz to jack you. I know I will lose credibility for this, but I have a feeling that mcat is bitch-made.
 
Originally posted by mcataz

What does 'Onetimer" have to do with this? I admit he is a different person. Yes, I spoke with him last year. But I also spoke wiith you and you were involved wtih that discussion.
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Yeah, and we BOTH were matriculating to ASDOH.

Gavin or Dinonuggests (whatever you want to be called)

So now that's your angle. You and Dinonuggets are "friends." LOL

Okay enough of this silliness. Your IP addresses came from the same school. And they can be different if you post from a computer lab since each computer terminal will have a different IP which is probably what you did. And Dinonuggets never claimed he posted under a different name last year. He said he was new to SDN. Nice Try Gavin!
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I reported this to the moderators. I'm sick and tired of this crap.
 
What does 'Onetimer" have to do with this? I admit he is a different person. Yes, I spoke with him last year. But I also spoke wiith you and you were involved wtih that discussion.

And considering that your posts are often 2 or 3 minutes apart. It would be impossible for your "friend" Dinonuggets to come over to your terminal read it and post a reply within 2 minutes. What you did was log off and log on to your alias and post a response.

Also, why is it that Dinonuggets posts nearly everywhere you post and in back to back fashion. Do you have to be there every time he posts? :laugh: Do you always sit next to each side by side every time you post.

Gavin give it up! Now your excuses are getting lame. What's next? Are you going to tell me that you and Dinonuggets are Siamese twins?
 
Originally posted by mcataz
Gavin or Dinonuggests (whatever you want to be called)

So now that's your angle. You and Dinonuggets are "friends." LOL

Okay enough of this silliness. Your IP addresses came from the same school. And they can be different if you post from a computer lab since each computer terminal will have a different IP which is probably what you did. And Dinonuggets never claimed he posted under a different name last year. He said he was new to SDN. Nice Try Gavin!
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mcataz,

Come on bro! Listen to what I am telling you, this is unbelievable. Come to the school, meet us, for someone who is so outspoken about ASDOH, and now Gavin and I, the right thing to do would be to find out the truth.

Could any other, more rational members step up, and help this guy out?
 
Originally posted by mcataz
What does 'Onetimer" have to do with this? I admit he is a different person. Yes, I spoke with him last year. But I also spoke wiith you and you were involved wtih that discussion.

And considering that your posts are often 2 or 3 minutes apart. It would be impossible for your "friend" Dinonuggets to come over to your terminal read it and post a reply within 2 minutes. What you did was log off and log on to your alias and post a response.



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You further illustrate how ignorant you are to ASDOH. The entire campus is wireless, and we often work in groups while seated right next to eachother? We use laptops, we are not is some computer lab swithcing from one terminal to the next?

mcat, this has gone from comical to upsetting? come on bro.
 
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