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Hello!

For reference, I'm a second year neuropsych postdoc!

I was recently offered a position at a hospital which has an expectation of 36 billable hours per week and is offering me 110k in a low CoL area, which also happens to be my hometown. In this job I would be one of two neuropsychologists (outpatient), have been given the option of using a psychometrist or doing my own testing (or a mix), and will not have any supervisees.

My postdoc has "offered" me the opportunity to stay but has not yet given me a formal job offer yet, so I can't exactly do any sort of exact comparison. They keep saying they'll send me the formal offer in "a week or two" but it's been four months. At this point, I don't know how much longer I can wait because I am afraid of missing out on other opportunities only for them to low ball me because at that point I won't have any other offers. I haven't had the best experience here and I don't love the area, but my partner loves their job and makes decent money, which is mostly why I'd consider staying. I haven't seen any other jobs in the area either, so it's going to come down to this one or the one in my hometown. Apparently this one also require 36 billable hours but leadership and my supervisor (who has weirdly been intimately involved in discussions regarding my salary?) have made repeated statements about me being "entitled" for wanting to make 100k per year, so I don't have high hopes about what they might offer me salary wise.

I've been obsessing over this decision for weeks and I am stuck. I don't know what to do!
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For the first job, if they are giving you the option of a psychometrist, take it, and negotiate much higher pay. That's a low ball offer, not the worst, but it's low for the expected billable hours.

If the postdoc site says that you are entitled for wanting 6 figures, tell them to go pound sand and take advantage of someone else.
 
WisNeuro said:
For the first job, if they are giving you the option of a psychometrist, take it, and negotiate much higher pay. That's a low ball offer, not the worst, but it's low for the expected billable hours.

If the postdoc site says that you are entitled for wanting 6 figures, tell them to go pound sand and take advantage of someone else.
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Agreed. Attempt to negotiate higher pay for the first offer and see what other benefits are included. I personally would plan to use a psychometrist for at least half of the scheduled evaluations if not more. There's not much downside, but some people (myself included) still appreciate doing their own testing here and there if it's feasible.

I honestly don't here a single positive thing regarding the possible job at your postdoc site, at least for you (as opposed to your partner). They're likely to offer much less pay for a similar workload to the existing offer, you already know you haven't had the best experience there, they're delaying actually getting you an offer (which could reflect incompetence, procrastination, or attempts to negotiate in bad faith by delaying until you have no offers and are forced to take theris), and it seems like your supervisor's involvement is sending up yellow/red flags for you. I probably wouldn't even bother using the offer you have in-hand to negotiated with your current site.
 
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1) One place wants you.

2) The other place doesn't want you. (They want cheap labor. You're not cheap labor anymore.)

3) They are courting YOU, not the other way round. They should be trying to persuade you. Instead, they're resorting to insults that seem to be used to make you feel "lesser than". That's telling. If you stay, be prepared to be treated that way for a long time. And I wouldn't hold my breath for a raise in this decade.

4) Why are they upset by the asking salary? They should know that Sweet's most recent survey has the median starting salary at $101k. It seems to me that they either don't know the salaries, which reflects incompetence. Or they are purposefully exploiting you. APA ethical code prohibits both exploitative relationships and incompetence.

5) 36 billable hours X 48 weeks X100hr =172k. $100k is 58% of that. That's a bad split, especially as you will be working 50+hrs per week.
 
Just to provide some additional anecdotal information, I haven't seen a position announcement, particularly in neuropsychology, listing a starting salary of <$100k (when compensation is actually discussed) in quite a while. I was curious and just quickly looked around, and saw a PP general psychologist position in my state listing an income potential of $200k+. Mind you, "potential" can be very different from reality and could entail lots of 80-hour work weeks, but I would imagine the person making that posting pulled that number from somewhere.

Asking for $100k as a full-time neuropsychologist, even in a 100% clinical setting and straight out of postdoc, is not entitled. It's market-consistent compensation.
 
The only way to judge your real world market value is to apply to jobs and compare the offers. This is also the only way to get real leverage. So , don't be afraid to test your market value, even if you do not intend to take the position. There are college grads commanding $100k job offers in this market. There are lots of folks who thought my income expectations were crazy. That is why I no longer work for them and do work at a place that pays me better.
 
So here's a fun little twist! The first job just sent me the contract, which doesn't state anything about productivity or any job expectations specifically in the contract; however, they informed me that it would be for 36 "patient contact" hours. They said that they don't really keep track of it formally and that the neuropsychs there have not had problems meeting those hours. But as I've told them, 36 patient contact hours vs. billable hours are two VERY different things and for neuropsych is completely unrealistic given a lot of what we do does not involve being directly in contact with the patient. Ugh. Feels like I can't win. Maybe I'll just get a job at Target.
 
Oof. I would definitely ask the first job to specify in the contract what the productivity expectations are, and to state that for neuropsych services, it is for 36 billable hours and not 36 patient contact hours (exactly for the reasons you've stated). I hate when they they say things like, "oh, well we don't really specify that per se, but folks haven't had any trouble with it so far." Because, you know, it doesn't mean they won't go and change their minds later.

If 36 billable hours is the expectation, they should have no trouble including it in the contract.
 
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Oof. I would definitely ask the first job to specify in the contract what the productivity expectations are, and to state that for neuropsych services, it is for 36 billable hours and not 36 patient contact hours (exactly for the reasons you've stated). I hate when they they say things like, "oh, well we don't really specify that per se, but folks haven't had any trouble with it so far." Because, you know, it doesn't mean they won't go and change their minds later.

If 36 billable hours is the expectation, they should have no trouble including it in the contract.
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I have a feeling they think I'm being a pain but I don't think they fully appreciate the difference between patient contact and billable hours. Once again, it seems like no one in admin understands what neuropsych does or how it works. I'm definitely going to have a very frank discussion with them about this. My guess is that perhaps that requirement is for physicians and they're trying to apply it to all providers, including neuropsych? Not sure. But if they're going to stick to the patient contact hours, I'm out.
 
neuro_tic said:
So here's a fun little twist! The first job just sent me the contract, which doesn't state anything about productivity or any job expectations specifically in the contract; however, they informed me that it would be for 36 "patient contact" hours. They said that they don't really keep track of it formally and that the neuropsychs there have not had problems meeting those hours. But as I've told them, 36 patient contact hours vs. billable hours are two VERY different things and for neuropsych is completely unrealistic given a lot of what we do does not involve being directly in contact with the patient. Ugh. Feels like I can't win. Maybe I'll just get a job at Target.
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In neuropsych, most places consider your billable hours as the contact hours (e.g., report writing, scoring, etc). If not, just inform them that you will be scoring and writing the report while the patient sits quietly in the room waiting for you to finish.
 
neuro_tic said:
I have a feeling they think I'm being a pain but I don't think they fully appreciate the difference between patient contact and billable hours. Once again, it seems like no one in admin understands what neuropsych does or how it works. I'm definitely going to have a very frank discussion with them about this. My guess is that perhaps that requirement is for physicians and they're trying to apply it to all providers, including neuropsych? Not sure. But if they're going to stick to the patient contact hours, I'm out.
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Let us know. That would essentially be interview, testing and feedback all day everyday with very short lunches. Guess write reports at night??? But agree, with wisneuro, its probably actually "billable" hours.
 
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Update: I spoke with the recruiter that I have been working with about my concerns and she informed me that they use the same contracts for all providers across the system (primarily focused on physicians) and use the term patient contact hours for everyone, including neuropsychologists. I informed them that I would not be comfortable signing a contract that states that I would be responsible for 36 "patient contact" hours given how different the nature of the work is for neuropsych compared to medical doctors. So, long story long, they are going to check with the organization attorney and other higher ups to see about changing the terminology of the contracts for neuropsych/psych and get back to me. I'm sure they think I'm being overly paranoid and a pain but gotta cover my *** haha
 
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Update: I spoke with the recruiter that I have been working with about my concerns and she informed me that they use the same contracts for all providers across the system (primarily focused on physicians) and use the term patient contact hours for everyone, including neuropsychologists. I informed them that I would not be comfortable signing a contract that states that I would be responsible for 36 "patient contact" hours given how different the nature of the work is for neuropsych compared to medical doctors. So, long story long, they are going to check with the organization attorney and other higher ups to see about changing the terminology of the contracts for neuropsych/psych and get back to me. I'm sure they think I'm being overly paranoid and a pain but gotta cover my *** haha
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A recruiter doesn't know about billing/billing codes. I would just contact the practice and/or their head neuropsychologist directly. "I can bill without a patient present" should really clear this up pretty quickly, no?
 
erg923 said:
A recruiter doesn't know about billing/billing codes. I would just contact the practice and/or their head neuropsychologist directly. "I can bill without a patient present" should really clear this up pretty quickly, no?
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Unfortunately, the hospital is part of a large healthcare system so it's been difficult to get ahold of anyone that could clear it up quickly.
 
It has to be just billable hours for neuropsychologists, unless you are self-testing. That may face to face hours would translate to roughly 108 billable hours in a technician model.
 
Pragma said:
It has to be just billable hours for neuropsychologists, unless you are self-testing. That may face to face hours would translate to roughly 108 billable hours in a technician model.
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Even if you are testing, if they are literal about face to face, they are not including any of your scoring, interpretation, writing time. But, I would put my money on them meaning billing time.
 
WisNeuro said:
Even if you are testing, if they are literal about face to face, they are not including any of your scoring, interpretation, writing time. But, I would put my money on them meaning billing time.
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I would too, but in the contract it still says "patient contact" and the recruiter said it's the same for "all physicians" who are also provided with 4 hours for documentation per week. Am I dumb to be wanting clarification about the semantics? Really don't want to beat a dead horse but every other place I've interviewed and been offered a position has stated specifically billable hours in the contract.
 
neuro_tic said:
I would too, but in the contract it still says "patient contact" and the recruiter said it's the same for "all physicians" who are also provided with 4 hours for documentation per week. Am I dumb to be wanting clarification about the semantics? Really don't want to beat a dead horse but every other place I've interviewed and been offered a position has stated specifically billable hours in the contract.
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Well, the thing that whoever wrote that contract up doesn't get, is that some specialties, like neuro, get to bill for documentation and other non-patient facing duties. Personally, I'd wait to get clarification as well. The fact that they can't get you to talk to some sort of supervisor/manager in MH who can clear this up in 2 seconds, is concerning and may be a red flag about how providers are seen in this system. As in, you are all there to crank out billables, and you have zero input in how operational changes are made at the clinical provision level. Keep your eyes and ears open through the process to get a feel. Make sure to talk to people.
 
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Unfortunately, the hospital is part of a large healthcare system so it's been difficult to get ahold of anyone that could clear it up quickly.
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Wait! Hold up! You have not met with any of the other neuropsychologist/psychologist there??? That seems odd. Who the hell was on the hiring/interview committee? How have you gauged the actual workload, type of patients seen, expectations, culture, etc?

Look...if I was looking for such heavy direct clinical service work (neuropsych or not), I would NEVER take a job without talking to the actual people that I would be working with/parallel with me.
 
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You have not met with any of the other neuropsychologist/psychologist there??? That seems odd. Who was on your hiring/interview committee? How have you gauged the actual workload, type of patients seen, expectations, culture, etc?

Look...if i was looking for such heavy direct clinical service work, I would never take a job without talking to the actual people that I would be working with/with me.
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Yes, I have spoken with the current neuropsychologist but he only does inpatient consults and rehab work and he said that they basically don't keep track of any time and that they let him set his own schedule. I would be replacing the other neuropsych who handled the outpatient work who unfortunately is out sick on medical leave and I couldn't speak with him. The current neuropsych said that they were content with the outpatient neuropsych only seeing 3 patients per week (and was full time).
 
neuro_tic said:
Yes, I have spoken with the current neuropsychologist but he only does inpatient consults and rehab work and he said that they basically don't keep track of any time and that they let him set his own schedule. I would be replacing the other neuropsych who handled the outpatient work who unfortunately is out sick on medical leave and I couldn't speak with him. The current neuropsych said that they were content with the outpatient neuropsych only seeing 3 patients per week (and was full time).
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If they are ok with you seeing 3 patients/week, then there is no way it's only face to face time. Heck, I don't know how this person billed more than 20-24 hours only seeing 3/week.
 
neuro_tic said:
Yes, I have spoken with the current neuropsychologist but he only does inpatient consults and rehab work and he said that they basically don't keep track of any time and that they let him set his own schedule. I would be replacing the other neuropsych who handled the outpatient work who unfortunately is out sick on medical leave and I couldn't speak with him. The current neuropsych said that they were content with the outpatient neuropsych only seeing 3 patients per week (and was full time).
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So...you are only expected to see 3 people patients/week? What's the problem? I'm confused?

But again, I would advise NOT taking a full-time position unless you can actually meet with people who, or a person who, is already doing this work AND in your department/direct professional/supervision hierarchy within this system.
 
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So...you are only expected to see 3 people patients/week? What's the problem? I'm confused?

But again, I would advise NOT taking a full-time position unless you can actually meet with people who, or a person who, is already doing this work AND in your department/direct professional/supervision hierarchy within this system.
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The problem is that the expectations for the job are extremely unclear and I don't want to accept a job and move across the country without having the job expectations explicitly laid out in a way that makes logical sense. And the fact that I can't seem to get clear answers from anyone is concerning to me. Why have it in the contract that they require 36 contact hours if they're not going to enforce it?
 
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Yes, I have spoken with the current neuropsychologist but he only does inpatient consults and rehab work and he said that they basically don't keep track of any time and that they let him set his own schedule.
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Ok. So. I would absolutely GUARANTEE someone is keeping track of what this person does. How particularly strict they are about "productivity requirements" is a different story. Keep in mind that you are not a surgeon or orthopedist. Neuropsychology departments/services can keep the lights on, but its not a big profit maker. If someone doesn't keep track of what you are doing and how much they are ultimately being remunerated for neuropsychology services, then the hospital CFO is an idiot. A CFOs main job is to look for for ways to improve revenue loss/margins/opportunity, not the profits already existing.

Do you know what kind of patients you will see? Is it mostly neurologic cases and dementia, or hot-mess refractory mental patients that insurance will inevitably deny half the time time you ask for? Who does your pre-auth paperwork? Peer-to-Peer reconsiderations? Appeals? No department meetings? No committee obligations/expectations in such a large healthcare hospital/system? Do you get a laptop and a work-at-home day for report writing? Who is in-charge of the testing supplies/catalogue? All questions that need to be answered. And, again, could and should be answered if any actual Psychologist/Neuropsychologist was on the hiring committee. So, again, who hired you?
 
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I can understand not having the opportunity to speak with the current outpatient neuropsychologist if they're out sick, but asking the inpatient neuropsychologist at least some of the questions erg mentioned would be helpful. Particularly regarding testing material ordering and budgets and meeting/administrative expectations, given the 36-hour productivity expectation. If nothing else, if you haven't already, you could just ask if they like working there (although it sounds like you've probably already check with him about this).

Although 3 patients/week sounds more than fair. Like WisNeuro, I'm curious how that would even come close to meeting the hours expectation. Like you've said, it must be that at the moment, no one is paying close attention.

I agree that having clarification would be ideal. When someone in administration/leadership inevitably combs through things at some point, possibly even years down the line, and sees that the neuropsychologists are "only" scheduling patients for X number of hours per week instead of Y, they're going to come in, sniff around, and possibly try to mandate that you schedule patients for Y number of hours per week as per your contract. When that day comes, there's still the possibility you can resolve things via discussion and explanation about what neuropsychologists do and how our clinic and billing structures differ from most other specialties. But having that language in your contract is really the only surefire way of "protecting" yourself against excessive scheduling mandates.

But don't feel too badly about it. VA (and I suspect many other hospital systems) has the exact same issue with neuropsychology, and how VA productivity requirements are interpreted for neuropsychologists can vary substantially from one VA to the next, even with actual neuropsychologists in central office trying to explain things to people. I have, in the past, heard of leadership at some VA sites trying to force neuropsychologists to schedule for the required patient care hours (e.g., 28-32) via all face-to-face time.
 
Def want to get everything in writing. Physicians and admin are often not accustomed to some of the billing differences. In general, physicians can't bill insurance for writing time, but that is where neuropsych often bills a lot. It's part education and part pushing to have them adjust bc promises don't count unless they are in writing.
 
That's definitely preferred. It is still on the high-side depending on setting, but that is more realistic. Some will depend on your case mix, as a cancellation/no show for a TBI will likely have more testing and writing time than say a dementia eval.

Just to reiterate what someone else said about the psych tech..... DEFINITELY take one if they are offering bc it's likely be much harder to get one later. You'll also want to make sure you get credit for all of their hours.

I'm not sure how much exp you have using a tech, but while it can feel weird at first trusting someone to get everything you want in the way you want it, it can quickly become very helpful in freeing up time to do other non-billable & billable tasks.

Some neuropsychs enjoy doing their own testing, but changes a few years ago to the CPT codes discounted the value of doing your own testing. I expect future changes to further reduce the value bc there is a noticable push for shorter testing overall.
 
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That's definitely preferred. It is still on the high-side depending on setting, but that is more realistic. Some will depend on your case mix, as a cancellation/no show for a TBI will likely have more testing and writing time than say a dementia eval.

Just to reiterate what someone else said about the psych tech..... DEFINITELY take one if they are offering bc it's likely be much harder to get one later. You'll also want to make sure you get credit for all of their hours.

I'm not sure how much exp you have using a tech, but while it can feel weird at first trusting someone to get everything you want in the way you want it, it can quickly become very helpful in freeing up time to do other non-billable & billable tasks.

Some neuropsychs enjoy doing their own testing, but changes a few years ago to the CPT codes discounted the value of doing your own testing. I expect future changes to further reduce the value bc there is a noticable push for shorter testing overall.
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They already have a psychometrist and said I can use them as much or little as I want. I'll probably continue to do at least some of my testing occasionally because I do actually enjoy that aspect of the job (and scoring because I'm a nerd). They did confirm that the tech hours would count towards my hours. I'm going to attempt to negotiate for slightly higher pay (this is a first for me and it seems tacky to ask for more money but I need to at least try) and otherwise will probably accept the job. It isn't perfect but it'll work until I eventually get fed up and go into private practice 🤣 The other neuropsychs have been there for decades and the one I spoke with seems to really enjoy it there, so that seems promising?
 
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I'm going to attempt to negotiate for slightly higher pay (this is a first for me and it seems tacky to ask for more money but I need to at least try)
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I hear this regularly, but we as clinicians need to advocate for ourselves bc the employer will typically pay the least possible whenever possible. Some of us here on SDN have tried to be more open talking about compensation bc I know I didn't get any of that in training.

The Sweet studies for salary in neuropsych have really helped w the conversation of pay, but many ppl still are hesitant to negotiate. Know your worth and fight for it bc the largest impact on future pay is where you start, unless you change positions.

Remember it isn't tacky....bc it's business and your career. Employers *want* us in the dark bc it helps keep wages suppressed. Imagine going house shopping, but you couldn't compare prices. Your income involves more $$ (over the years) than your house. Talk about it, get input, share feedback about diff jobs, etc.
 
Alright, this is just getting ridiculous. They have now changed the contract to "a minimum of 40 clinical practice hours" per week... rather than the "billable" hours. AND they've added a fun little line stating that "on call" might be required in the future. OOF. I give up. Target, here I come.
 
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Alright, this is just getting ridiculous. They have now changed the contract to "a minimum of 40 clinical practice hours" per week... rather than the "billable" hours. AND they've added a fun little line stating that "on call" might be required in the future. OOF. I give up. Target, here I come.
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No soup for you!

And "on call" for...what? Quick, this man needs a WAIS, stat!
 
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No soup for you!

And "on call" for...what? Quick, this man needs a WAIS, stat!
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Lol that was my thought too! Like I'm going to get called in to do an emergency neuropsych evaluation at 3 AM??? 🤣 SIR, I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HIT BY A CAR BUT PLEASE MAKE THESE BLOCKS LOOK LIKE THIS PICTURE
 
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Alright, this is just getting ridiculous. They have now changed the contract to "a minimum of 40 clinical practice hours" per week... rather than the "billable" hours. AND they've added a fun little line stating that "on call" might be required in the future. OOF. I give up. Target, here I come.
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Yeah, I would fight back against that on call, or at least say that any change in "on call" status needs 90 days for implementation. Therefore, if they try and start that BS, you simply threaten to resign, or think about it if they give you a sizable enough raise.
 
Agreed, the on-call part is a pretty big change. I don't foresee many situations in which an outpatient neuropsychologist would get called in, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't ask you to cover inpatient when you're on call.

The 40 clinical practice hours bit may actually work in your favor, since 40 hours of clinical practice activity could work out to be <36 hours of billable activity. It largely depends on how they define "clinical practice activity." I'm interested to hear what others think.
 
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Agreed, the on-call part is a pretty big change. I don't foresee many situations in which an outpatient neuropsychologist would get called in, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't ask you to cover inpatient when you're on call.

The 40 clinical practice hours bit may actually work in your favor, since 40 hours of clinical practice activity could work out to be <36 hours of billable activity. It largely depends on how they define "clinical practice activity." I'm interested to hear what others think.
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I can see them maybe wanting that on call for capacity evals. But that's about it.
 
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I can see them maybe wanting that on call for capacity evals. But that's about it.
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Yeah, those are the cases I was thinking of as well, but I'd imagine the more urgent ones would be inpatient. Outpatient, if there are substantial safety concerns, the person should potentially go to the ER and/or contact adult protective services/the police.
 
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Yeah, those are the cases I was thinking of as well, but I'd imagine the more urgent ones would be inpatient. Outpatient, if there are substantial safety concerns, the person should potentially go to the ER and/or contact adult protective services/the police.
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Ah oops, yeah, for some reason I was thinking a mix of OP/IP, forgot that they said it was OP only. Yeah, I can't imagine a need for call for a purely OP position for neuropsychology in most practice settings.
 
So I had a long chat yesterday with them and they agreed to remove the on-call portion because it doesn't make sense for my role (apparently that was another stock thing included for the physician contracts - not sure why it wasnt in there initially though) and they defined clinical hours as basically any activities pertaining to my job including meetings, report writing, etc. There's no specified billable hour or RVU requirement, just a 40 hour work week. I did ask for a slightly higher salary which they unfortunately couldn't accommodate but I've already been such a pain in the ass I wasn't entirely surprised. 🤣 It's still higher than any of the other offers I've received and in an area with a low cost of living, which is nice. My partner might have a hard time finding a job, but we would be able to get by on my salary alone until he finds something. So ultimately, I am going to accept and cross my fingers. It isn't perfect, but it's the best option right now I think. Thanks everyone for your input, it has been extremely helpful.

On a separate note, with all of this falling into place, it's really terrifying to think of functioning entirely on my own and hopefully I don't suck, but I would hope I wouldn't have made it this far if I was really bad at this...Sometimes it's just so overwhelming with how much I have yet to learn!
 
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Sounds like it's good news all around, then. I'm surprised no one up to this point read the contract closely enough to realize they could theoretically be asked to take call at some point. Good on you, I'm sure future psychologists will be appreciative.

Completely normal to be scared of being fully on your own after fellowship. It felt very weird to submit my first couple reports as an independent practitioner without first waiting for my supervisor to sign off on them. But in my case, I got used to it pretty quickly, and I made sure to lean on my former supervisors and then-current peers for support as needed. Odds are, you know more than you think you know.
 
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So I had a long chat yesterday with them and they agreed to remove the on-call portion because it doesn't make sense for my role (apparently that was another stock thing included for the physician contracts - not sure why it wasnt in there initially though) and they defined clinical hours as basically any activities pertaining to my job including meetings, report writing, etc. There's no specified billable hour or RVU requirement, just a 40 hour work week. I did ask for a slightly higher salary which they unfortunately couldn't accommodate but I've already been such a pain in the ass I wasn't entirely surprised. 🤣 It's still higher than any of the other offers I've received and in an area with a low cost of living, which is nice. My partner might have a hard time finding a job, but we would be able to get by on my salary alone until he finds something. So ultimately, I am going to accept and cross my fingers. It isn't perfect, but it's the best option right now I think. Thanks everyone for your input, it has been extremely helpful.

On a separate note, with all of this falling into place, it's really terrifying to think of functioning entirely on my own and hopefully I don't suck, but I would hope I wouldn't have made it this far if I was really bad at this...Sometimes it's just so overwhelming with how much I have yet to learn!
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I've been following this for the past week and with every post I was left anticipating the next update. Almost grabbed popcorn a few times.

Congratulations on the offer! Interviews and offers are tough for everyone and you seemed to have managed this one well.
Best of luck in the new job 👍
 
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I've been following this for the past week and with every post I was left anticipating the next update. Almost grabbed popcorn a few times.

Congratulations on the offer! Interviews and offers are tough for everyone and you seemed to have managed this one well.
Best of luck in the new job 👍
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Thanks so much!! It certainly was a nail-biter at times. I have no fingernails left.

I'm super appreciative of the advice and support from everyone who participated on this thread!! Maybe I'll update in a year to let everyone know whether I made the right choice or not 😆 haha kidding
 
neuro_tic said:
Thanks so much!! It certainly was a nail-biter at times. I have no fingernails left.

I'm super appreciative of the advice and support from everyone who participated on this thread!! Maybe I'll update in a year to let everyone know whether I made the right choice or not 😆 haha kidding
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Look at it this way: even if it sucks, you'll still have had your higher "entitled" salary for a year regardless. And if you budget as if you were still on your current salary, that could all go toward retirement and capitalize on the ever-powerful force of compound interest.

As they say, money can't buy happiness, but it can buy jet skis. And jet skis = happiness.
 
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Look at it this way: even if it sucks, you'll still have had your higher "entitled" salary for a year regardless. And if you budget as if you were still on your current salary, that could all go toward retirement and capitalize on the ever-powerful force of compound interest.

As they say, money can't buy happiness, but it can buy jet skis. And jet skis = happiness.
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Truth. My current supervisor has been haggling with me trying to get me to say and saying that they could match that offer but I would just have to do more work.. Thanks but no thanks. Plus he's talking out of his ass since they still haven't even sent me a formal job offer. AND with this new job, I'll be paid more, get more vacation time, I won't have to use PTO for holidays, AND better health insurance and 401k.

Oh I'll definitely be budgeting! Plus my parents have a big garden so I can get a bunch of veggies from them during the summer FO FREE 😆
 
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