Neuropsych sub specialities

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Hi everyone! I am completing my first neuropsych practicum and have noticed some tension between the neuropsychologists. I was curious, is there like an internal “ranking” of neuropsych sub specialities (like adult vs peds). My supervisor (for adult neuropsych) seems to really not respect the peds neuropsychologists. I’m curious if this is a site specific thing or a broader thing in neuro culture? Similarly, she doesn’t seem to think much of the rehab psychologists.
 
I would imagine it's more:

"pediatric neuropsychologist who diagnoses ADHD, LD, ASD, etc"
vs
"pediatric neuropsychologist who diagnoses Angelman syndrome, or is involved in Wada testing."
 
I think there is a more noticeable split between fellowship trained v not, especially the "dabble on weekends" type or generalists who take a weekend course and think they can just become a specialist (whether that be neuro, rehab, health, etc).

For some people, there is a split between neuro v rehab+neuro fellowships. I haven't stayed up with the particulars over the past decade or so, but there has also been a shift in the field that made the nit-picking a bit less applicable. Neuro and Rehab have crossover, and it irked some in neuro bak when I trained that rehab also did neuropsych testing, though at some point, neuro started crossing more over the rehab and that ruffled feathers too; this is where day-to-day practice blurs a bit.

Someone more in the know can speak to this better, as there have been multiple gatherings by Div 40 and Div 22 over the past decade meant to address some of this. Once I left my last AMC, I stopped tracking and caring as much about this kind of stuff.

The bottom line is competency and scope of practice. Much like a psychiatrist does perform general surgery, even if their licensure allows it. Clinicians should only work in areas they have adequate training. Practically, splitting hairs is mostly ego, but some people still care.

Edited to simplify, as there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff aka “politics”, so I cut that stuff out.
 
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I think there is a more noticeable split between fellowship trained v not, especially the "dabble on weekends" type or generalists who take a weekend course and think they can just become a specialist (whether that be neuro, rehab, health, etc).

This is the only tension I've seen in my training and practice.
 
This is the only tension I've seen in my training and practice.
Same here. I’d also say there is definitely a tension between research-only vs. clinical-only neuropsychologists, but I think that issue extends to all of clinical psychology (and probably medicine, broadly).

The only ranking that matters is what YOU want to do day-to-day. I will say, though, that I wish more adult neuropsychologists got some training in peds. Neurodevelopment/educational background are foundational to understanding the context in which an adult patient’s scores occur, and I feel like there’s a good share of neuropsychologists who do not pay enough attention to this fact.
 
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The internal ranking is that the group you belong to is better than the other groups. APA has contributed to this problem,IMO. Neuropsychs have turf wars with rehab psych. Both think they are better than geropsych. APA boards all three. In the real world, there is overlap and some competition for jobs outside of the really specialized hospitals. So, there will be turf wars. There are also plenty of cross boarded folks because a lot of senior folks were practicing before all these splits. Neuropsych is the oldest specialty, so you can figure out how that plays into it. Peds is its own area is a separate issue. This is kind of like asking how you rank the ivy league.
 
Same here. I’d also say there is definitely a tension between research-only vs. clinical-only neuropsychologists, but I think that issue extends to all of clinical psychology (and probably medicine, broadly).

The only ranking that matters is what YOU want to do day-to-day. I will say, though, that I wish more adult neuropsychologists got some training in peds. Neurodevelopment/educational background are foundational to understanding the context in which an adult patient’s scores occur, and I feel like there’s a good share of neuropsychologists who do not pay enough attention to this fact.
On fellowship, the peds and adult fellows did all of our didactics together, it was super helpful for licensure and daily practice.
 
On fellowship, the peds and adult fellows did all of our didactics together, it was super helpful for licensure and daily practice.
Same here. I’m adult-focused and studying for written boards right now. The joint didactics with my peds colleagues on both internship and fellowship makes me feel like I’m not starting from zero with peds knowledge for the written exam. I also did a little bit of peds work on fellowship and happened to see some fairly rare things (like Prader-Willi). I was reluctant at first but would 100% recommend adult-focused colleagues get some peds expos if they can.
 
Is one (peds vs adult neuro) easier to get into vs the other?
It will matter what good practicums are available for you in terms of “how hard it is to get into” one or the other. The issue I’ve been, personally, is people trying to switch from one to the other at internship or beyond without foundational training. For example, someone with 4 adult reports and 60 peds reports may struggle trying to land an adult-focused internship slot.
 
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I think psychologists who are focused on providing treatment, running a practice, and especially developing comprehensive and effective community based interventions like Multi Systemic Therapy are better than all the neuropsychologists. After all, that’s what I’m doing.
Seriously though, we seem to circle the wagons and aim inward more than any other group of people. Not helpful for our profession.
 
I think psychologists who are focused on providing treatment, running a practice, and especially developing comprehensive and effective community based interventions like Multi Systemic Therapy are better than all the neuropsychologists. After all, that’s what I’m doing.
Seriously though, we seem to circle the wagons and aim inward more than any other group of people. Not helpful for our profession.

A huge gripe I have with APA now that I have gotten older, is this ridiculous focus on specialization. It is something we adopted from medicine. However, we adopted it without any of the compensation model that physicians receive. They get compensated more for more complex work, we do not. Outside of detailed neuropsych assessments, everything we do is a free-for-all. Even then the lines are blurry. How much training is needed to dx ADHD? Autism? How about dementia? Can a geropsych or rehab psych eval dementia or do they refer it out? Specialty cases sure, but how about when a PCP just wants to know dementia or not?

The specialties can penalize you. It is difficult to operate in many specialty areas without the referral base of hospital based practice, this means w-2 and capped income. A generalist in private practice can many times make more and that is the wild west.
 
The internal ranking is that the group you belong to is better than the other groups. APA has contributed to this problem,IMO. Neuropsychs have turf wars with rehab psych. Both think they are better than geropsych. APA boards all three. In the real world, there is overlap and some competition for jobs outside of the really specialized hospitals. So, there will be turf wars. There are also plenty of cross boarded folks because a lot of senior folks were practicing before all these splits. Neuropsych is the oldest specialty, so you can figure out how that plays into it. Peds is its own area is a separate issue. This is kind of like asking how you rank the ivy league.

I will say that anecdotally, rehab folks are much more likely to "not believe" in PVT/SVTs. That's my only real issue there.
 
I will say that anecdotally, rehab folks are much more likely to "not believe" in PVT/SVTs. That's my only real issue there.
My most hardcore PVT training was from a rehab/neuropsychologist embedded in VA Polytrauma.

Millis (TCN stats editor) is boarded in both neuropsychology and rehab psychology and is one of the most prolific contributors to the PVT literature. He's one name among many I could mention with similar backgrounds.
 
My most hardcore PVT training was from a rehab/neuropsychologist embedded in VA Polytrauma.

Millis (TCN stats editor) is boarded in both neuropsychology and rehab psychology and is one of the most prolific contributors to the PVT literature. He's one name among many I could mention.

I will caveat that rehab/npsychs in the VA are a different breed than those outside of the VA. In the VA they are pretty much indistinguishable from neuropsych in general. Outside the VA, they tend to head up concussion clinics and hand out iatrogenesis like it's candy.
 
I will caveat that rehab/npsychs in the VA are a different breed than those outside of the VA. In the VA they are pretty much indistinguishable from neuropsych in general. Outside the VA, they tend to head up concussion clinics and hand out iatrogenesis like it's candy.
Agreed.

I trained in the VA and this was true, at my VA hospital at least.

As for the out-pt world, it is full of grifters, and psychologists are doing it too. Concussion clinics and chiro offices seem to be the worst offenders.
 
I've never seen/experienced any sort of internal strife between neuropsych subspecialties, and certainly not between adult and peds. Every adult neuropsychologist I know greatly respects their peds colleagues and vice versa. I'm sure it happens, but it's far from the norm, at least IME.

I have seen significant disagreements between various psych specialties. In the neuropsych world, even more than neuro vs. rehab, I see neuro vs. forensic.

I would also add that there can be mindset differences in the "us vs. them" wars between folks who are double-boarded (e.g., neuro/forensic, neuro/rehab) vs. those who are not.
 
Yea--the folks I was referring to (VA, non-VA) were all at least board eligible (if not boarded) in both rehab and neuropsychology (two year postdocs in TBIMS embedded neuropsychology departments, etc.).
 
What even is neuropsychology at this point?

My frustration lately has mostly been with some pediatric neuropsychology reports I’ve encountered. I specialize in neurodevelopmental assessment at a large regional AMC with a dedicated pediatric neurology division. What surprises me is how often I see cases where the neuropsychologist positions themselves as a very “hardcore medical” evaluator but then stops short of diagnosing conditions that seem clinically obvi. For example, autism in a child with a very clear developmental history and presentation and then refer to us for an autism eval (*cough lazy cough*).

Do they really not know how to give an ADOS-2? lIke they had two years on fellowship...

What gets me, though, is when I see reports describing significant executive functioning deficits or attention problems, sometimes even labeling them as “major neurocognitive impairment” (or something) without addressing ADHD diagnostically when criteria are met. From a treatment/care perspective - WTF. I’ve ended up having to clarify or revise diagnostic impressions...

A related anecdote: I have a collegial relationship with another pediatric neuropsychologist who interviewed at our hospital as well. She ultimately withdrew her application after the interview process because the team was so focused on scrutinizing one of her fellowship supervisors that the experience became off-putting. It was honestly a loss, she’s a very strong clinician and an absolute beast.

Where do you see the boundary between neuropsychology and broader neurodevelopmental diagnosis in pediatric populations? I have a close friend who does "neuropsychological evaluations" but we have basically the same training, give the same tests, and I would never...
 
I don't consider unboarded neuropsychologists as real neuropsychologists. Even then, I've encountered some weirdos (usually ppl who did the DIY route, IME). That said, I also think specialty wars in psychology are a tempest in a teapot. In the real world, social workers take many of the positions for which rehab and health psychologists are trained.
 
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I don't consider unboarded neuropsychologists as real neuropsychologists. Even then, I've encountered some weirdos (usually ppl who did the DIY route, IME). That said, I also think specialty wars in psychology are a tempest in a teapot. In the real world, social workers do many of the positions for which rehab and health psychologists are trained.

I'm sure some of them are fine and had good training, but I simply don't have to worry about that. I have plenty of boarded providers on my refer out list. That being said, there are still a small percentage of boarded folks who are pure hacks. Lost a lot of respect for some of my bigger named boarded colleagues after seeing what they'll put in a report for some decent $$.
 
I'm sure some of them are fine and had good training, but I simply don't have to worry about that. I have plenty of boarded providers on my refer out list. That being said, there are still a small percentage of boarded folks who are pure hacks. Lost a lot of respect for some of my bigger named boarded colleagues after seeing what they'll put in a report for some decent $$.
Spill. The. Tea.
 
Spill. The. Tea.

Oh, I'm not torching my medicolegal cred in a public forum. I'd just say that big names, well known in certain areas, are often more than willing to testify contrary to their published opinions, or dance around them for the right price.
 
Example of a high ranking ABCN'er:

Legal case. Writing sample subtest. Kid writes “f*** you”. ABCN'er scores it a "0. Then gave a dx of disorder of written expression. Opines this "rare disorder" could only be treated in a private boarding school in Europe.
 
Oh, I'm not torching my medicolegal cred in a public forum. I'd just say that big names, well known in certain areas, are often more than willing to testify contrary to their published opinions, or dance around them for the right price.

Not even remotely surprised by that. I can list several well-known people who tend to handwave away replication problems with their theories. Many of them also seem to have lucrative grants or consulting contracts.
 
Not even remotely surprised by that. I can list several well-known people who tend to handwave away replication problems with their theories. Many of them also seem to have lucrative grants or consulting contracts.

I'm not even talking replication issues, moreso downright contradicting their own findings, or willfully misrepresenting it.
 
I think psychologists who are focused on providing treatment, running a practice, and especially developing comprehensive and effective community based interventions like Multi Systemic Therapy are better than all the neuropsychologists. After all, that’s what I’m doing.
Seriously though, we seem to circle the wagons and aim inward more than any other group of people. Not helpful for our profession.
Are you certified in MST? Can I message you with some questions?
 
I'm not even talking replication issues, moreso downright contradicting their own findings, or willfully misrepresenting it.

Indeed. I only meant similar types of willful contradiction occur in the consulting and grant-funded worlds as well.
 
Are you certified in MST? Can I message you with some questions?
Not certified in MST. Was potentially going to get some training through the state but found out that was a requirement from prior Medicaid administrator, Optum, and the new one, Magellan, doesn’t require certification in that specifically and so I might not get trained in it after all. I have been involved in working with coordinated care systems for years and when I have looked into MST in the past, it does describe or align with a lot of my philosophy and practices, but don’t have a lot of direct knowledge of the treatment. It seems a lot more straightforward than something like DBT which has a bit more complex philosophical underpinnings that are necessary to implement effectively, but I could be way off as I have not been trained or even attended a seminar or presentation. Mainly just read a number of articles and did a little research into it a while back. 😊
 
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