New hires suck?

[zao275]

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PS- Wasnt Univ of Ark where Bruce Smoller ended up in Dermpath? What happened to that guy? He just like vanished...

yaah is right. Bruce is currently the Executive VP of the USCAP. He is also still a part-time faculty member at UAMS and Sara Shalin and I (the current full time dermpaths) still work closely with him.

After leaving Stanford, Bruce came to UAMS and spent some years here. He was Chair of the department here up until he was hired by USCAP about 2 years ago. He's a great guy and a very talented dermatopathologist. I am still learning new things from him all the time.

 

[Necromonger]

Yes we had a couple of these during residency with 2-3 "epic leaves" while the rest of us had to absorb their work, all of these planned of course.

We had more than a couple in residency. Resulting in a lot of extra work and extra call for those of us without uteri and it didn't end there because the new baby became a perennial excuse to skirt even more work. The sad thing is this may effect who I hire in the future if I reach a level of prominence that allows me to make such decisions. It will certainly effect my answers if asked about such things as "work ethic" fof the individuals in question.

 

[LADoc00]

yaah is right. Bruce is currently the Executive VP of the USCAP. He is also still a part-time faculty member at UAMS and Sara Shalin and I (the current full time dermpaths) still work closely with him.

After leaving Stanford, Bruce came to UAMS and spent some years here. He was Chair of the department here up until he was hired by USCAP about 2 years ago. He's a great guy and a very talented dermatopathologist. I am still learning new things from him all the time.

Yah Bruce was/is awesome. Stanford blew that one big time...Im sure his consult service was bringing in 7 figs easily when he was in PAlto. The Bruce glory days at Stanny are long since passed Im afraid.

Sometimes I think these big universities have like no business sense whatsoever, perhaps they are rolling in so much endowment $ they just dont care about much.

 

[twentyone]

We had more than a couple in residency. Resulting in a lot of extra work and extra call for those of us without uteri and it didn't end there because the new baby became a perennial excuse to skirt even more work. The sad thing is this may effect who I hire in the future if I reach a level of prominence that allows me to make such decisions. It will certainly effect my answers if asked about such things as "work ethic" fof the individuals in question.

And they say women's lib is dead. So silly!

 

[Pingu]

And they say women's lib is dead. So silly!

As a woman and a mother, I can say I both saw and experienced the extra work/extra call thing when other residents were pregnant. It was all done with a promise that they would cover extra for us later on...which of course never happened. I also saw the calling in sick because their child was sick thing. Somehow, the fathers/husbands of these residents never took off work but the mothers did frequently.

It's not a woman's lib issue or a feminist backlash. It is taking advantage of your co-workers and colleagues for a choice you made. And I would have had no issue or gripe if the people had actually came back and took the extra coverage like they promised they would. No one likes to feel used. That is the real issue.

 

[twentyone]

As a woman and a mother, I can say I both saw and experienced the extra work/extra call thing when other residents were pregnant. It was all done with a promise that they would cover extra for us later on...which of course never happened. I also saw the calling in sick because their child was sick thing. Somehow, the fathers/husbands of these residents never took off work but the mothers did frequently.

It's not a woman's lib issue or a feminist backlash. It is taking advantage of your co-workers and colleagues for a choice you made. And I would have had no issue or gripe if the people had actually came back and took the extra coverage like they promised they would. No one likes to feel used. That is the real issue.

- Whatever system you work in, whether its in training or after, exists because some created it to work in a certain way. Poor management of personnel issues should not be a reason to resent women who get pregnant. If those in charge are not willing to change the system to alleviate changes in the workforce, then I say the blame for maternity leave resentment should fall on them, not the pregnant woman. If you're having to pick up the slack for anyone who has to be away from work, then sorry- sometimes you get a sucky work environment. I had babies in training and as an attending. I was lucky enough to have bosses who protected my coworkers from huge increases in work and therefore protected me from resentment.

- There's people who will game every system- whether they "abuse" maternity leave or get three months paid/off service to study for step 3 because they failed it twice already (Hey, but I passed it on the first attempt! Sorry- here's your stack of trays to read. True story!)

- Of course it's a women's issue- if you value women in the workplace, then you have to value everything that comes along with them- including occasional time away from work to do childbearing stuff. If you value disabled people, you can't say they're on their own without the ramp or wheveter they need. If you value gay people in the workplace, you can't just say "sorry- your family is not eligible for spouse benefits 'cause you're not married!"

 

[TeeMcGee]

And I would have had no issue or gripe if the people had actually came back and took the extra coverage like they promised they would. No one likes to feel used. That is the real issue.

Hear, hear. Let's put an end to the pregnancy-during-training bashing, shall we? Believe me, it's not a cakewalk and some of us work our asses off to avoid punting extra work to our colleagues.

 

[2121115]

In residency, it is fairly easy to schedule female residents on "easy" rotations during their maternity leave (i.e. put them on clin chem, etc, rather than be one resident down on a surg path rotation). No harm done to other residents in that situation. If they miss general call during those weeks, just schedule them a few more calls later in the year.

I really don't see how that is such a big deal.

 

[Torsed]

Two options I've seen regarding maternity leave:

1) Don't hire women. Tell me you haven't had pals who groan about hiring women for just this reason.
2) If not at work, don't get paid.

I shined in the applicant field b/c I was male. And they said so at the interviews, it was apparent.