New pharmacy schools have the lowest NAPLEX passing rate

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also what I find interesting is that it also includes all attempts and looks like some of those that didn't pass the first time aren't passing it the second time either
 
We did have a cheating problem in my class. Not only that but we had a few students with rather poor English to the point where the professors had to help them out by explaining questions on exams, that's not gonna happen on the NAPLEX.

Kinda funny considering how I was probably the lowest GPA in the class but one of the higher NAPLEX scores.
 
I applied to Sullivan as a safety school, but I chose not to go there because I got in at a school with lower tuition. I can't imagine why anyone would want to go there and take on that much debt unless they had no other options. For all I know, they provide a decent education, but if the students aren't good, there's only so much you can do (not saying that they do provide a good education, I have no idea what they're like).

And if that's true for the classes that enrolled long enough ago that this is a problem for the 2012 class, which would have been applying in 2008, when applying to pharmacy school seemed like a much better idea than it does know, what will it be like when the classes that applied when it was obviously not such a great idea graduate?
 
That's not surprising. The smarter students all crowd to well-established schools, leaving the newer, expensive "diploma-mills" with the less qualified students who can't compete. Also, newer schools likely have trouble finding good, experienced faculty and staff.
 
To be fair, my "established school" only jumped out of the mid 80s percentage pass rate in 2012.
 
naseuy said:
To be fair, my "established school" only jumped out of the mid 80s percentage pass rate in 2012.
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If you are talking about LIU, yeah we changed. Our compounding pass rate was the highest in 2012 and 2013. This June buffalo over took us by 0.5 percent. As for buffalo, they had less seats... Like 60ish while we had 100ish students taking the compounding exam; so a 0.5 percent difference is pretty good.

For the Naplex, we have good and bad students in our school, but I think the curriculum is changing and we are getting better students now; with professors who can actually teach.

I also think our school focuses too much on therapeutics, so that might be where we are strong at, but Naplex has pharmacology questions.
 
SoylentGreen said:
I applied to Sullivan as a safety school, but I chose not to go there because I got in at a school with lower tuition. I can't imagine why anyone would want to go there and take on that much debt unless they had no other options. For all I know, they provide a decent education, but if the students aren't good, there's only so much you can do (not saying that they do provide a good education, I have no idea what they're like).

And if that's true for the classes that enrolled long enough ago that this is a problem for the 2012 class, which would have been applying in 2008, when applying to pharmacy school seemed like a much better idea than it does know, what will it be like when the classes that applied when it was obviously not such a great idea graduate?
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I finished at Sullivan after withdrawing from Kentucky when my daughter was killed. It was actually cheaper for me to finish there because I didn't need any money for living/travel expenses (Sullivan is in my home city) and I was able to work more.

I was in the class of 2011 and our NAPLEX pass rate was great, until several months after graduation when a large cohort of out of state students got their California ATTs and tanked the rate, or so I'm told. The problem with Sullivan is, in my opinion, some problematic admissions policies and taking students with very poor English skills. Both of these issues are being rectified. The founding dean left and they are making lots of changes in the admissions process. I precept both Sullivan and Kentucky students and have had both good students and bad students from both. But, the students who barely spoke English were VERY challenging to work with. I think a lot of preceptors complained to Sullivan about that.

I'm glad I had the opportunity to go there, because after my daughter's death, finishing at Kentucky wasn't in the cards. Now that I am a few years out of school, it seems like absolutely no one cares about where I got my degree. I get more questions about other things on my CV, like about the business I started and the memorial funds my husband and I created in our daughter's memory.
 
Sparda29 said:
We did have a cheating problem in my class. Not only that but we had a few students with rather poor English to the point where the professors had to help them out by explaining questions on exams, that's not gonna happen on the NAPLEX.

Kinda funny considering how I was probably the lowest GPA in the class but one of the higher NAPLEX scores.
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Isn't most of the students in your school from Cali? In LIU we probably only have 3 international students who are doing well.
 
All4MyDaughter said:
I finished at Sullivan after withdrawing from Kentucky when my daughter was killed. It was actually cheaper for me to finish there because I didn't need any money for living/travel expenses (Sullivan is in my home city) and I was able to work more.

I was in the class of 2011 and our NAPLEX pass rate was great, until several months after graduation when a large cohort of out of state students got their California ATTs and tanked the rate, or so I'm told. The problem with Sullivan is, in my opinion, some problematic admissions policies and taking students with very poor English skills. Both of these issues are being rectified. The founding dean left and they are making lots of changes in the admissions process. I precept both Sullivan and Kentucky students and have had both good students and bad students from both. But, the students who barely spoke English were VERY challenging to work with. I think a lot of preceptors complained to Sullivan about that.

I'm glad I had the opportunity to go there, because after my daughter's death, finishing at Kentucky wasn't in the cards. Now that I am a few years out of school, it seems like absolutely no one cares about where I got my degree. I get more questions about other things on my CV, like about the business I started and the memorial funds my husband and I created in our daughter's memory.
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You have a knack for being the exception to the rule.

Why did other good students choose to go there? I can see how someone who was local who had to leave the state school would want to go there, but it seems like locals would mostly be better off with in state tuition at the state school, and non-locals could be non-local somewhere with cheaper tuition, if they had the choice.

I guess it does have the draw of being a 3 year program.
 
nycrxdream said:
Isn't most of the students in your school from Cali? In LIU we probably only have 3 international students who are doing well.
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Ya, most of them are Cali students. Oddly enough, our valedictorian was a international student who was a pharmacist in Egypt for 20 years already then she moved to the US and was told to redo pharmacy school.
 
SoylentGreen said:
You have a knack for being the exception to the rule.

Why did other good students choose to go there? I can see how someone who was local who had to leave the state school would want to go there, but it seems like locals would mostly be better off with in state tuition at the state school, and non-locals could be non-local somewhere with cheaper tuition, if they had the choice.

I guess it does have the draw of being a 3 year program.
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Most of my friends were locals who were tied to the Louisville area for whatever reason. Mostly older students (late 20's early 30's) with families. Many of them were long-time pharmacy technicians or career changers. I don't know what Sullivan's tuition is now, but the total cost for all three years when I enrolled was about 100K, while Kentucky was about 90K, so it wasn't a big difference. I'm sure they are both more expensive now. You can commute to UK from Louisville (I did) but it sucks. It's also really competitive to get into UK (they say they take 1 in 10, though it's more heavily weighted to Kentucky residents).
 
Increasing number of pharmacy schools and number of students = decrease quality!
 
This assumes the lowly NAPLEX is indicative of pharmacy student quality...we've hashed this out previously that it is not.

...but damn you gotta have some kind of mental deficiency if you can't even pass the lowly NAPLEX.
 
Sparda29 said:
We did have a cheating problem in my class. Not only that but we had a few students with rather poor English to the point where the professors had to help them out by explaining questions on exams, that's not gonna happen on the NAPLEX
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Under the bus with all of them!
 
lisinopril said:
Increasing number of pharmacy schools and number of students = decrease quality!
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How much quality do you need to work retail? If someone would have just given me the rxprep book at the start of pharmacy school, I'd know more than some of the retail pharmacists I've worked with after 1 year.
 
trailerpark said:
How much quality do you need to work retail? If someone would have just given me the rxprep book at the start of pharmacy school, I'd know more than some of the retail pharmacists I've worked with after 1 year.
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To be a good retail pharmacist, you need a lot of "quality."

To be a pill counter...no, I suppose not.
 
Something I've noticed in California... Just because they aren't international students per se, doesn't mean the English is good.

Or at all understandable.
 
njac said:
Something I've noticed in California... Just because they aren't international students per se, doesn't mean the English is good.

Or at all understandable.
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I've known people born and raised in the US that are more difficult to understand than immigrants, that's how insular their cultures are.






But damn, The South sure has some good food (har har)
 
confettiflyer said:
I've known people born and raised in the US that are more difficult to understand than immigrants, that's how insular their cultures are.






But damn, The South sure has some good food (har har)
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Lol
 
confettiflyer said:
I've known people born and raised in the US that are more difficult to understand than immigrants, that's how insular their cultures are.

But damn, The South sure has some good food (har har)
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Agree. There are some Southern dialects that are very hard to understand. I have some in-laws from NH and we have trouble understanding each other, too. Especially on the telephone.
 
will the low passing rate affect the school at all? Will anything happen to the school? I have seen some NAPLEX passing rate from 2009-2011 of some schools. Some have as low as 75% but for the following years, they pumped it up to 85% then around 95% in 2012.
 
Wisely said:
will the low passing rate affect the school at all? Will anything happen to the school? I have seen some NAPLEX passing rate from 2009-2011 of some schools. Some have as low as 75% but for the following years, they pumped it up to 85% then around 95% in 2012.
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Well....

Sparda went to one of the "low passing rate" schools mentioned in the first post, he has like two hospital jobs in a large metro market and raking in the dough.

I went to a school with a 100% pass rate and I also work two hospital jobs unicorning it in a large metro market sorta raking in the dough when I'm not buying ridiculously expensive food.

So...there's pharmacy in a nutshell.
 
confettiflyer said:
Well....

Sparda went to one of the "low passing rate" schools mentioned in the first post, he has like two hospital jobs in a large metro market and raking in the dough.

I went to a school with a 100% pass rate and I also work two hospital jobs unicorning it in a large metro market sorta raking in the dough when I'm not buying ridiculously expensive food.

So...there's pharmacy in a nutshell.
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I see, interesting 🙂
 
I just checked the diploma mill near here, lol, no surprise there. Unfortunately for them, a top 10 school is also in the area, and that just turns the mill's students into pharmacy jokes around here.
 
xiphoid2010 said:
I just checked the diploma mill near here, lol, no surprise there. Unfortunately for them, a top 10 school is also in the area, and that just turns the mill's students into pharmacy jokes around here.
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Well yeah, I guess that's lucky for me that there aren't any "elite" pharmacy schools in the area. LIU, St. Johns, Rutgers, not really elite I guess. It was good for us that we stole quite a few professors from these schools.
 
Sparda29 said:
Well yeah, I guess that's lucky for me that there aren't any "elite" pharmacy schools in the area. LIU, St. Johns, Rutgers, not really elite I guess. It was good for us that we stole quite a few professors from these schools.
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What is your opinion of RU?
 
Sparda29 said:
We did have a cheating problem in my class. Not only that but we had a few students with rather poor English to the point where the professors had to help them out by explaining questions on exams, that's not gonna happen on the NAPLEX.

Kinda funny considering how I was probably the lowest GPA in the class but one of the higher NAPLEX scores.
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I have no idea where I ranked, but I definitely wasn't near the top. And I've only heard of one person whose NABPLEX score was higher than mine. 🙂

(It was called "NABPLEX" at the time.)

Back in the 1970s and 1980s, Drake had some graduates who never passed it within the 5-year deadline.

There was only one person from my class who didn't pass the NABPLEX; I didn't find out who it was for several years, and when I did, it was someone I didn't know well enough to know how expected this might have been.
 
rph3664 said:
I have no idea where I ranked, but I definitely wasn't near the top. And I've only heard of one person whose NABPLEX score was higher than mine. 🙂

(It was called "NABPLEX" at the time.)

Back in the 1970s and 1980s, Drake had some graduates who never passed it within the 5-year deadline.

There was only one person from my class who didn't pass the NABPLEX; I didn't find out who it was for several years, and when I did, it was someone I didn't know well enough to know how expected this might have been.
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What happen if you did not pass Naplex within 5 year deadline? I noticed my school mentioned about the deadline, but I forgot to ask what will happen.
 
How is the NABLEX administered now? Is it computer-adaptive? Where the next question's difficulty is determined by how you answered the previous. Do any of the schools use this method for regular classroonm exams?
 
Dr. Bubblebutt said:
How is the NABLEX administered now? Is it computer-adaptive? Where the next question's difficulty is determined by how you answered the previous. Do any of the schools use this method for regular classroonm exams?
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Yep, it's computer adaptive. My school didn't use this. They went heavy on us with the ****ing k-type questions, which we didn't have much of on the NAPLEX anyway.

Amicable Angora said:
What is your opinion of RU?
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Good school.
 
Wisely said:
What happen if you did not pass Naplex within 5 year deadline? I noticed my school mentioned about the deadline, but I forgot to ask what will happen.
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And, at least when I took it, there was a limit to how many times you could take it and failed, I think it was 3, after that you had to repeat several pharmacy classes before you could take it again.
 
BidingMyTime said:
And, at least when I took it, there was a limit to how many times you could take it and failed, I think it was 3, after that you had to repeat several pharmacy classes before you could take it again.
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That's scary
 
Are there many books or materials we can study before taking the NAPLEX? Are those related to what will be on the test ?
 
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Hi there. Thank you for your concern. At the moment, I'm not a pharmacy student. I will start my first class in Fall 2014. I just want to ask ahead of time about the materials so I can prepare for it in the future
 
Naplex easy

I didn't study whatsoever for it, though I should have, and I was a deliberately bad student

But if you aspire to be a pharmacist, you need to know your stuff. I get by with just IQ
 
These schools are pumping these suckers for money

A fool and his money are soon parted
 
knight on horse said:
Naplex easy

I didn't study whatsoever for it, though I should have, and I was a deliberately bad student
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I studied 2 weeks combined for naplex and cpje....probably less than that since studying means facebook to me, but anyway even then i overdid it. i dunno how people fail that ish...'cept for nerves maybe.
 
I also went to Sullivan and also agree the issue is/was the students not fluent in English. This should be diminishing soon with the new dean. As for why I picked Sullivan, the answer was simple. Yes, you start out with more debt. (About 10-20k more per year) However, you graduate a year sooner, so it is actually makes more fiscal sense to go there and you spend less time in school! Although you don't get a summer break and it can be stressful definitely glad I decided to go there.
 
When you talk about English issue, how bad was/is it. I'm an international student, but I'm pretty confidence with my English (I spent all of my time to take everything I can when I studied ESL), and I'm still learning more every day. I want to know how bad, so that I can prepare because no matter how good I am, I could also struggle with English at some point
 
If you can write a paper in English I think you will be fine. Many of the students we are referring to could not write a paper that made sense in English. It wasn't struggling with English here and there, it just wasn't a good grasp on the language as a whole.
 
kkittens said:
If you can write a paper in English I think you will be fine. Many of the students we are referring to could not write a paper that made sense in English. It wasn't struggling with English here and there, it just wasn't a good grasp on the language as a whole.
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:cyclops:
 
kkittens said:
If you can write a paper in English I think you will be fine. Many of the students we are referring to could not write a paper that made sense in English. It wasn't struggling with English here and there, it just wasn't a good grasp on the language as a whole.
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Hmm. Do I know you? You can PM me. But yes, there were definitely students who could not write a paper in English and ended up plagiarizing the whole thing from Wikipedia or wherever.
 
That's weird. This is just my opinion, but I'm wondering how they could even made it into the school. Most schools require writing short essay on the interview day, so the schools would have known if the students are qualified or not.
 
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