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Being that New York-Presbyterian (Columbia-Cornell) is such a new program, I am having difficulty finding info on it...Does anybody have ANY info about the program? Any comments are greatly apprecited?

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I am also looking as NY Pres. Anyone have anything at all to say about this place?

I'm actually from the West Coast so any info on say, St. Lukes, Mt. Sinai would also be appreciated.
 
Rotated and interviewed there so here's what I know:

Four year program, lots of hours (60 hrs/wk first two years, then 50, then 40), heavy academic feel. Good clinical spectrum except for trauma - Columbia is nontrauma but has a county feel with lots of uninsured patients (many from the Carribean, Spanish absolutely necessary) with lots of great medical pathology. Cornell is a beautiful pristine ER with computers in every patient room with very little pathology, a burn center, a level 1 trauma center but all blunt trauma. Housing at Cornell seems very nice.

Faculty is decent. Wally Carter is the former director of Bellevue and everyone is expecting great things from him. I met him and I was not overly impressed.

I believe it will be great EM program if you're willing to work hard for four years, and deal with a lot of arrogant surgeons and internists from the othe programs. I also believe in ten years they'll have made a name for themselves. If you're interested in trauma than you better make sure you rotate out for it. Also not enough Peds in my opinion.
 
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Originally posted by SewerRat
I am also looking as NY Pres. Anyone have anything at all to say about this place?

I'm actually from the West Coast so any info on say, St. Lukes, Mt. Sinai would also be appreciated.

I'd also like to know about St. Lukes. I'm from the southwest and know nothing about NY programs. I did ask this question before and heard that the housing was nice, but what about the program (hours, pathology, trauma...???) Thanks to anyone who can help.
 
I interviewed at a large number of NY programs, including NYP last year. I am currently at St. Lukes. I am mid shift right now on break and will try and post some more info later.

Or anyone feel free to PM me and I will answer any and all questions on St.Lukes and what I can on NYP.
 
Thanks Beyond, that was some good info to know. By the way, good luck on the whole MLK thing. I interviewed there recently and felt that it was a good place that has had a tragic streak of bad luck.

Looking forward to hearing your opinion Roja
 
So, I guess I will start with Cornell with my interview...

I did end up ranking this program in my top five, but not first. I interviewed last year and there was no one to talk to about the program. However, as said before, Wally Carter is a well known name and he has manuevered well within NYP to design his program. The housing for Cornell is very nice from what I hear. Its on the upper east side so its a nice place to live and its subsidized. (crucial in NYC). They also apparantly have a day care center for employees (also important on that side if you have kids). Cornell is a very posh hospital. It is also very very private. One of the grads from here worked there for a while and left after a short time because you are at the mercy of the privates. Severely at the mercy. I am not sure about Columbia Hospital (you rotate at both hospitals). The surgical residents and medicine residents are a pain from rumor. A nurse I know spouse is a surgical resident at columbia and said it is horrific.

NYP does work a lot of hours... When I interviewed, they said 20shifts/28 days and confrence. No decrease as you progress. You also have to cross town. (if you aren't from NYC, this is a monster pain in the rear and can add about an hour each way to your day).

I think this will be a really good program in years to come. It will also be very traditional and academic.


Regarding St. Lukes- I don't think I could say enough about it. So I will start with the basics and if you have questions, just PM me.
3 year program. Housing is subsidized. We get 500/year in CME money. Confrences are paid for if you have a paper/abstract/poster accepted... (regardless of where it is). We do 18shifts/28 days 1st year, then 17 (really 16 as a second year because 1 day a month is a 'research' day) and 16 as a third year. Shifts are 12 hours and the month is split between St. Lukes and Roosevelt. (there is a bus that continually goes back and forth between the hospitals so you don't have to worry about transportation)
Research is abundant in all areas.. tox, u/s, clinical. Some people do tons, others none.
Teaching oppurtunities are high as there are always fourth years around.
It is a very social program, we call all of the attendings (except 3) by thier first name. We all socialize together (including attendings). It is very diverse in its residents and attendings.
The clinical experience is amazing... I see tons of stuff. We have direct admission rights in the hospitals (admissions can't be refused.) We run all traumas and codes. For off services, we do MICU, CCU, OB/gyn, anesthesia first year; Ortho, Tox, Ems and US second year plus an elective, and third year I don't remember.. I think elective. We have a peds er that you do two full months of as a first year, and a full month as a second year and scattered shifts as a third year. You also see peds at roosevelt.

I consider myself incredibly lucky to have matched here. It was my first choice and I have been amazingly happy. I have a family, a life and a job that I love most days.

I don't know what else people are interested in so shoot questions here or PM me.
 
Finally, some info about NYP...

"beyond all hope", Where did you hear about the shift hours at NYP?? Last I heard, they did not know how to structure years 3 and 4. I think 20-12's is alot over 4 years.

Some of my concerns about the NYP program:
1. lack of graduated residents dispersed around country
2. lack of resident coverage in ED
3. relationship with off-services
4. Few faculty researchers
5. Working with Privates at Cornell
6. Lack of trauma
7. Lack of resident cohesion
8. Surgery rotation is VASCULAR
9. 2 months of elective time in a 4-year program

I also was not impressed with Dr. Carter (PD). It seemed that he was more interested in the NYP merger than discussing the future of the program.


Can anybody address my concerns?

Thanks...😕
 
I know that this is an old thread but I recently did my New York interviews and can actually add some input.

For a new program, I was really impressed by NYP. Most new EM programs seem to grow out of IM or Surgery, like Duke for example. NYP's program is pretty much free standing and in a unique position as the first combined Cornell Columbia program so they will have fewer admin hassels. The PD is Wally Carter, enuff said. Transportation between the two sites will be a pain in the ass, you may have to cab it at certain hours. Cornell seems really private, a nice facility. Columbia is an old-school county place with not much trauma. Surgery is Vascular but that was Dr. Carter's decision to have a surgery month in there (no such thing as General Surgery at Cornell). Can't beat the housing. Has lots of $$$ to throw around for the future.

St. Lukes: established good strong program. True believers in 3 year training. Full of happy people with an interest in recruiting similar fun residents. Good dispersal of grads throughout NYC. I'm not sure how academic it is though the PD says there are plenty of researchers.
 
RE: NYP

Reality, there is not much research at NYP. Attendings, like the residents, work too many clinical hours to do research.

One of our grads went to work at Cornell as well... now after less than 2 years is leaving due to the serious lack of collegiality (in PC terms) with other departments.

I don't mean to disparage the program as I know it will get better and these are growing pains.
 
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