NHSC & Psychiatry--Hours & Quaity of Experience?

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Hello everyone,

I hope this is the most appropriate forum to ask my questions about the NHSC of those here who have fulfilled their obligation to the government via psychiatric practice. I would like to know 2 things most of all:

1)What were hours like (& would they be virtually the same for anyone else?)
2)How would you rate the quality of the experience and why?

Thank you very much for your help~

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what is NHSC?
 
National Health Services Committee(?)

It's a govt sponsored scholarship for primary care docs including psychiatrists who would work in underserved areas...Google and searching here can get you much more info, Gaki!
 
Roady, do you have a scholarship or are you considering applying for one? If you're still thinking about applying and are planning to go into psychiatry, you might be interested to note that they have recently changed the rules. All of the underserved sites receive a rating from 0-21 on a need scale. For any specialty other than psychiatry, sites need to have at least a score of 14 for scholarship recipients to be able to work at them. Psychiatry used to require a rating of 18 but it was recently switched to 20- ouch! I'm stuck now- a large number of the eligible sites are prisons and the ones I was interested in (IHS) are all off the list. Maybe the rules will loosen up again by the time I am finishing my residency but if they had been like this 18 months ago, I wouldn't have applied.
 
Alina_S,

AKKKKK!
Thanks for writing and sharing your experience with me...It has an ominous tone to it--19 out of 20?! Is there anything but prisons that will require that much support???

I have to do some studying for a big test so I wanted to merely drop this brief line...I am worried about just how sensible an option the NHSC scholarship would be, granted what you say is true.

Have you heard anything new//where do things stand now??

Thank you,
roady
 
Roady, as I said, I would NOT take the NHSC scholarship again if I had the choice. The department of Health and Human Services writes the rules, and you are stuck with whatever rules are in place when you start and finish residency, not the rules that were in place when you first signed up. In marketing, I believe this is called "bait and switch" and is at least unethical if not illegal. I wanted the scholarship, not loan repayment, because when I applied, the IHS sites were only open to scholars. Now all of the IHS sites are off the psychiatry list and the odds are frighteningly high that I will work in the prison system. When I applied, allowances were made for the combined residency programs and now they aren't. And the offices tend to be disorganized; when I was thinking about dropping out, my e-mails weren't answered until a few days AFTER the end of my eligible period; a few days' difference and I would have owed only the scholarship amount, not triple. Ouch. The terms might still be o.k. for fields other than psych but it's risky still. Things might change for the better by the time I am done with residency but that will depend on the election and who happens to be working in HHS for the next few years. I wouldn't bother calling the office with questions again; most people don't seem to know what's going on anyway. I am not sure what the powers that be are up to; making people pick from a very short list is not a good way to ensure that they will be happy with and stay at the assigned area long-term. But since I won't be allowed to do a combined residency, I'm guaranteed to leave the site at the end of my commitment regardless.
 
Alina,

I'm a third year with the NHSC and I'm thinking about going into psych. It's scary to hear what you're saying! But if you or I did end up working at a prison, what do you estimate the yearly income to be? I hope at least they can't stiff us on that.
 
Fellow NHSC scholars.....relax!! I too considered cancelling my scholarship over this very issue. Things are in a state of flux while they transition into better management and better customer service. But mind you, yes they have changed some of the wording of the scholarship, and yes they have changed some of the criteria, but there are reasons for this. What you don't know is that when you get into residency, there is a specific branch of the NHSC who's only job is to make sure that YOU have adequate numbers of choices for the next cycle. The law recently changed so that they MUST have at least 2:1 numbers of sites that fit the criteria for your payback. If they do not have that many, they will often allow you to choose from one with a lower HPSA score. And one thing that you may not know about. There is a federal website where you can go to locate all the HPSA areas in the country. It really doesn't even matter if they currently have an opening for you, because if you are creative ahead of time you can create one yourself. For instance...I am from Houston, and there are parts of Houston that have HPSA scores well deserving of my services when I am done. Now there are currently no jobs on the list in this HPSA because the community health center for whatever reason has not gone about trying to recruit any docs. BUT, all I would have to do would be contact another practice in that area and try and get them to take me on as an associate partner. Then even if they are not willing to pay me, I can summon a hospital guarantee from the local hospital which basically guarantees your salary for the first year. Remember, NHSC says that you will go to the NHSC area you are assigned, but realize that this is only in the wording because some people do end up having to be placed for whatever reason. But that is such a small percentage...somewhere around 2% or less. You have to backdoor the system sometimes and allow the loopholes to work for you. For instance, once I decide on a residency, I am going to try and work out a plan with the community health centers in the nearby HPSA so that I basically have a job waiting for me and won't have to move. This might not work, but trust me when I tell you, if you use the government's words to your benefit, you can almost always encounter a good outcome. I saw this during my military service, and I saw it again when I got this scholarship.

And one last word of encouragement. Last year in Baltimore, I was at the new scholar's conference and I specifically raised my hand and asked if we would ever be forced to work in a federal prison setting. I was told flat out that you would never be forced to do this. So I trust them when they said this. For those that do Psych though, I would really use the last 2 years of your residency to get to know your placement coordinator so that you can ensure a smooth transition to site selection.

Never fear the government. Their bark is much louder than their bite.
 
PACtoDOC, is this the website (http://belize.hrsa.gov/newhpsa/newhpsa.cfm) that you used to look for "unlisted" but possible sites? Because I've looked there, and the numbers still aren't good for psychiatry. 106 "designated" mental health sites with HPSA ratings >19, and 71 of those are prison sites. That search engine doesn't let you exclude sites that are short <1 full-time empolyee either. If I weren't such a financial coward, I'd drop out. Looks like I'll be going into forensic psychiatry.
 
alina_s said:
PACtoDOC, is this the website (http://belize.hrsa.gov/newhpsa/newhpsa.cfm) that you used to look for "unlisted" but possible sites? Because I've looked there, and the numbers still aren't good for psychiatry. 106 "designated" mental health sites with HPSA ratings >19, and 71 of those are prison sites. That search engine doesn't let you exclude sites that are short <1 full-time empolyee either. If I weren't such a financial coward, I'd drop out. Looks like I'll be going into forensic psychiatry.

Alina--I feel for you, but I am also in the dark: I think I am scared to do some research which will drive home the point for me that I am in trouble!!!

But on the other hand--and I hope this is not bad news for you--as far as I can tell, you wont be able to do a fellowship in forensic psychiatry because that is not allowed until after you pay back your time to the NHSC...I don't know much about this in general, so my question to you (or anyone else who knows) is: can you do the Fellowship after you've spent several years out in the field working beyond your residency?? How likely are you to be able to get the fellowship at that point--will they not give it to you because it's something generally reserved for people coming out of their residency days???

THANKS FOR HELPING ME LEARN ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT INFORMATION!!!
 
roady said:
But on the other hand--and I hope this is not bad news for you--as far as I can tell, you wont be able to do a fellowship in forensic psychiatry because that is not allowed until after you pay back your time to the NHSC

That was my point. After a few years in the prison system, what would I be prepared for besides forensics? But in truth, I don't think that most psych fellowships are terribly competitive. One resident told me that if he could pick his residency again, he wouldn't have taken the low pay, high(er) prestige academic residency that he had because he could have gotten into a fellowship anyway after going through a kinder, gentler, better-paying community program. He was only an intern but I would guess that he's right; it's not as though the extra years of fellowship make a huge difference in pay, except maybe for child psych (and then probably only private practice), so it seems unlikely that people are pushing down the gates to get a few more years of low-paying training. I would guess (hope) that connections made in residency will make up for a few years of work in the prisons.
 
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