NIH funding cuts

[TheWallnerus]

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I do appreciate the sentiment, though I'm curious if Evan knows that one of his friends told me directly that he didn't care if I lost one of my grants.

I don’t get to use the word often, but our man def may be a bit pharisaical

 

[Ray D. Ayshun]

I don’t get to use the word often, but our man def may be a bit pharisaical

I like it's synonym pietistical a little better here. Pietisticular. In both cases, these are new words for me.

 

[Chartreuse Wombat]

Sanctimonious works for me

 

[yesmaster]

The NIH cuts suck partly because if I was an investigator and I hated DEI but I played the DEI game for survival these last few years, blah blah blah underrepresented in clinical trials, unique biology, social justice rationale, etc. in addition to getting my real science funded, the DEI cuts would kill my real science too.

 

[StIGMA]

The NIH cuts suck partly because if I was an investigator and I hated DEI but I played the DEI game for survival these last few years, blah blah blah underrepresented in clinical trials, unique biology, social justice rationale, etc. in addition to getting my real science funded, the DEI cuts would kill my real science too.

Ive always killed grants that had bad science trying to get funded through that game, because it was bad science. So, it would be better if we could just focus on good work not politics in science.

 

[ramsesthenice]

Ive always killed grants that had bad science trying to get funded through that game, because it was bad science. So, it would be better if we could just focus on good work not politics in science.

I agree but good luck with that. Literally everything is or can be political. See research, vaccine.

 

[A_DeMichele]

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[ramsesthenice]

It’s just a memo at this point, but the newest White House budget proposes to keep the cap and reduce the NIH budget by 40%. While I’m sure the HFC is drooling at the idea, I doubt that they would have the votes to pull this off as written. But if anyone sees this as a necessary or positive development, please tell us your thoughts.

The sad irony to me is the ignorance on both sides. One of our folks involved in grants submissions is unapologetically MAGA (sidebar, also a generally amiable and reasonable individual who I like working with) and they told me the previously proposed cuts would simplify their workload. I guess unemployment will be easier?

 

[catachip]

It’s just a memo at this point, but the newest White House budget proposes to keep the cap and reduce the NIH budget by 40%. While I’m sure the HFC is drooling at the idea, I doubt that they would have the votes to pull this off as written. But if anyone sees this as a necessary or positive development, please tell us your thoughts.

The sad irony to me is the ignorance on both sides. One of our folks involved in grants submissions is unapologetically MAGA (sidebar, also a generally amiable and reasonable individual who I like working with) and they told me the previously proposed cuts would simplify their workload. I guess unemployment will be easier?

You don’t have to qualify that MAGA folks are nice to you individually. By all accounts, including Bill Maher, Trump is very pleasant and amiable in private. Actions are what matter. Sociopaths are notoriously likable.

 

[ramsesthenice]

You don’t have to qualify that MAGA folks are nice to you individually. By all accounts, including Bill Maher, Trump is very pleasant and amiable in private. Actions are what matter. Sociopaths are notoriously likable.

You overlooked the word reasonable which is actually the more pertinent descriptor to my comment. We are watching someone who has managed a fairly demanding job while showing overall good professional judgement for many years literally staring down oncoming traffic and not realizing there is a problem. I don't think they are a sociopath. I don't think that 2/3 of my family from rural America are sociopaths either. I am not going to turn this into a political discussion. What I will say is that what terrifies me is how successful the organized efforts to manipulate millions of people into not only tolerating but openly cheering for policies that are directly counter to their immediate interests has been. We can complain about this person or that person, but at the end of the day, they are elected officials who were very transparent about their plans and "we" still went along with them. We have a much bigger problem than leadership.

 

[evilbooyaa]

It’s just a memo at this point, but the newest White House budget proposes to keep the cap and reduce the NIH budget by 40%. While I’m sure the HFC is drooling at the idea, I doubt that they would have the votes to pull this off as written. But if anyone sees this as a necessary or positive development, please tell us your thoughts.

The sad irony to me is the ignorance on both sides. One of our folks involved in grants submissions is unapologetically MAGA (sidebar, also a generally amiable and reasonable individual who I like working with) and they told me the previously proposed cuts would simplify their workload. I guess unemployment will be easier?

I would advocate that this person be the first person sent to the unemployment line when the workload for grants submission support personal summarily decreases.

That's probably not OK, but that's what I wish would happen to people who actively champion and vote against their own self-interests.

 

[StIGMA]

It’s just a memo at this point, but the newest White House budget proposes to keep the cap and reduce the NIH budget by 40%. While I’m sure the HFC is drooling at the idea, I doubt that they would have the votes to pull this off as written. But if anyone sees this as a necessary or positive development, please tell us your thoughts.

The sad irony to me is the ignorance on both sides. One of our folks involved in grants submissions is unapologetically MAGA (sidebar, also a generally amiable and reasonable individual who I like working with) and they told me the previously proposed cuts would simplify their workload. I guess unemployment will be easier?

CDMRP (DOD) was cut by about this much 24->25, so there’s meat to that memo. To me this is a shortsighted political move that will stifle innovation. Im surprised pharma isnt pushing back more as federal funding to universities is the major source of their ideas, startups for m&a, background data for new indications, sales for products/reagents etc etc.

 

[Neuronix]

Im surprised pharma isnt pushing back more as federal funding to universities is the major source of their ideas, startups for m&a, background data for new indications, sales for products/reagents etc etc.

They're probably scared to say anything lest they be next on the chopping block.

Trump could easily turn around and say "Now Medicare is cutting all prescription drug reimbursements across the board by X%"

 

[ramsesthenice]

CDMRP (DOD) was cut by about this much 24->25, so there’s meat to that memo. To me this is a shortsighted political move that will stifle innovation. Im surprised pharma isnt pushing back more as federal funding to universities is the major source of their ideas, startups for m&a, background data for new indications, sales for products/reagents etc etc.

Time will tell. I don't think they have the votes to pull off anything this drastic. But their intentions are now clearly out in the open and all discussions about cutting indirects while preserving the overall budget are almost certainly moot. How sad is it that our best chance at avoiding some of these worst case scenarios comes down to congressional dysfunction? The HFC will try to push it far beyond what vulnerable members can stomach and we will probably end up with something that is mostly watered down.

 

[medgator]

I would advocate that this person be the first person sent to the unemployment line when the workload for grants submission support personal summarily decreases.

That's probably not OK, but that's what I wish would happen to people who actively champion and vote against their own self-interests.

When immigration and trade policies come home to roost, I look forward to those people seeing what inflation can really look like. They did vote for it after all. Let them eat 🍰. Same vein.

 

[ramsesthenice]

When immigration and trade policies come home to roost, I look forward to those people seeing what inflation can really look like. They did vote for it after all. Let them eat 🍰. Same vein.

Bingo. The simple fact that in the age of the internet, where everyone can quickly get a basic sense of things, the fact that something as simple as "who pays for a tariff" is up for debate tells you how broken our information stream is. Of course, that is a feature, not a bug 😡

 

[temujim]

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TLDR: Less than 0.5% of the total NIH budget and < 2% of the total National Cancer Institute budget supported radiation oncology research...using 3 individual years as representative samples (2011, 2016, and 2021).