NJMS MD/PhD vs SBU MD/PhD

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New Jersey Medical School (NJMS)
Pros
:
- close to home
- urban environment, really exciting.
- diverse patient population and student body.
- has a global health distinction program (would like to explore gh formally in med school).
- stipend is decent for cost-of-living in Newark.
- amazing first impression during interview days.
- clinical opportunities for all years sound amazing, accessible, and flexible.
Cons:
- given the pandemic, many gh and opportunities abroad might be limited. But this will hopefully improve soon.
- not an MSTP.
- not true p/f and has ranking (info shared w/ residency programs)
- avg 3 students per class; in recent yrs they’ve been trying to increase their class size to 5 (which I believe applies to my year but I might be wrong).
- not a lot of info online about current students in the program (ie. their research, their experiences, etc.)

Stony Brook Renaissance School of Medicine (RSOM)
Pros:
- a suburb in Long Island w/ close proximity to the beach and hiking areas (great for students who enjoy the outdoors as a way to relax/de-stress).
- has a robust Global Health Education dept and a Scholarly Concentration study in gh. Has one of the most extensive international partnerships that I’ve seen for a med school while applying to programs this cycle. Also has an International Research Fellowship program.
- stipend is decent for the cost-of-living in Stony Brook.
- SBU is an MSTP w/ partnerships w/ Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory and Brookhaven National Laboratory (which means students can do rotations at both institutions in addition to SBU).
- alternating grading system btwn p/f and honors/graded.
- avg 8 students per class.
- like njms, an amazing first impression during interview day.
- correct me if im wrong, but I believe many sbu mstpstudents use their qualifying exams/proposals to apply for F30 grants.
- offers a wide array of writing and grant writing workshops.
Cons:
- Suburb lol, not a bustling place like Newark and many of the buildings/labs/hospital are spread out, so a car is a MUST.
- far from home.
- Mentioned above, given the pandemic, gh opportunities might be limited or not updated.
- like NJMS, on-campus housing (and SBU dorms) tend to be more expensive and a car is a must there, especially when starting grad school.

Final comments: As an mdphd applicant, research is one of my top metrics for choosing programs; and I’m super fortunate to have been offered admission into these two programs that have research im incredibly interested in. That said, im still in the process of learning more about each program and would love any insight from the sdn community regarding the mdphdprograms at both of these institutions. Thanks!

***If there are any current njms or sbu students (md and mdphd) that sees this post, id love any insight regarding your experiences! disclosure: Ive yet to attend a open house/in person visit but I have appts coming up so super excited!!

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I'm leaning towards Stony Brook, in large part due to it being an MSTP. Though that doesn't inherently make it a better program, having the designation and obv guarantees funding (which it appears you'll also have at NJMS) and correlates very strongly with better structure. The latter will be very important when it comes to doing rotations, finding a thesis mentor, help with qualifying exam(s), transitioning from to graduate school and then back into med school, etc.

One important question I have is about strength of research in your field of interest. Which school is stronger? Which school has the most PIs you could see yourself working with? You say both are strong in your area of interest, but I'm sure one is a bit stronger and has more PIs of interest. Due to the better funding plus collaboration with other research institutes, I'd be surprised if the answer weren't Stony Brook.

Also regarding the med school side, not being pass/fail and rankings is a major downside when comparing with a school that is pass/fail with no rankings.
 
I'm leaning towards Stony Brook, in large part due to it being an MSTP. Though that doesn't inherently make it a better program, having the designation and obv guarantees funding (which it appears you'll also have at NJMS) and correlates very strongly with better structure. The latter will be very important when it comes to doing rotations, finding a thesis mentor, help with qualifying exam(s), transitioning from to graduate school and then back into med school, etc.

One important question I have is about strength of research in your field of interest. Which school is stronger? Which school has the most PIs you could see yourself working with? You say both are strong in your area of interest, but I'm sure one is a bit stronger and has more PIs of interest. Due to the better funding plus collaboration with other research institutes, I'd be surprised if the answer weren't Stony Brook.

Also regarding the med school side, not being pass/fail and rankings is a major downside when comparing with a school that is pass/fail with no rankings.
Thank you so much for your response! I greatly appreciate it! As of now, it seems that SBU has a lot more PIs who do the type of research im interested in. And this is SBU alone which gave me an awesome first impression about the diversity of research within my field of interest going on at SBU.
However, the reason why I'm considering NJMS highly is because it would be very close to my support system (which is not to say I dont want to branch out because that's what I'm especially excited for when starting an mdphd program). However, I feel like NJMS is so great for doing both: branching out professionally and academically while also staying rooted with family. In regards to research, I've found PIs whose research interest me at both institutions. It just so happens right now that my "list" of potential labs to rotate is larger at SBU than at NJMS.

Also, yes I agree with what you said about the grading system!
 
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