NJMS vs. RWJMS

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Hello there,

Is anyone trying to decide between the two New Jersey medical schools? If so, on what criteria are you basing your decision? What are your gut instincts about both places? If you've decided on one school, why did you pick that school?

abbeacon
 
I'm still waiting to hear back from RWJ, but provided I get in, I will choose it over NJMS.

I love RWJ. It has been my number one choice from the beginning of the application process. I love the campus, I'm from NJ and my family lives relatively close to the school, I love the fact that they have such tremendous growth going on with the hospital.

Overall, I just got a better feeling from RWJ than NJMS. Although I know many people who have been accepted by both and are choosing NJMS over RWJ because of the strength of NJMS's clinical program.

If RWJ doesn't accept me, I'll be going to NJMS.
 
I got into both, withdrew from NJMS and am holding at RWJ until I hear/don't hear from other schools. Besides the fact that it's in a better neighborhood, has better facilities, etc., it also has a better national reputation. Also, i've gotten the impression that a good number of students at NJMS didn't get into RWJ, but not the other way around. Also, I thought that the atmospere at RWJ was better; I felt that the students there were overall "better" (academically maybe? not trying to offend anyone...).

I think that both schools are solid, but i'd say go with RWJ if you're concerned about a little more prestige and also vague affiliation with Rutgers (get to use their gyms, etc.). I just think that overall it's a better school, but to each their own.

- Quid
 
I am accepted to RWJ and withdrew from NJMS. I probably won't be going to RWJ though. However, if I was to choose, I would have gone to RWJ because the admissions people there were wonderfully friendly. NJMS' interview day just seem disorganized and they did not seem to care to woo applicants. It's like they've resigned themselves to accepting RWJ rejects or something. Actually, scrathch that, they believe themselves to be much better than they are and that NJMS will rise to the level of Harvard within a decade. Thus, they do not need to woo applicants. At least that's the impression I got from my interviewer, who by the way, was quite arrogant. A co-worker of mine also told me that NJMS faculties are arrogant and their research are weak.

As was mentioned, NJMS is not in a good area and they have a weaker reputation. Furthermore, RWJ has the coolest name of all the med schools :laugh:
 
well I will be applying to both of these schools this summer. The program at NJMS is more flexible than in RWJ. So if I wanted to do research before I start my first year, NJMS allows me to do it. Whereas at RWJMS you have wait after you complete your first year; which I think would be a disruption in my medical studies.

Also, RWJ Univ Hospital (the main hospital for RWJMS) is set in a sub-urban area. Whereas University Hospital is in Newark City, a highly urbanized area.

So if you are looking for a good clinical experience, NJMS would be the best.
 
So if you are looking for a good clinical experience, NJMS would be the best.

That's not really true... RWJ's pediatric hospital is one of the best in NJ, and your surgical and ob/gyn rotations are top notch as well - and at a much more competitive place than in NJMS. True, you will get to see a more sick population in Newark than in New Brunswick, but if that's your main concern, then you can do your 3rd and 4th years in Camden, which is just as bad in terms of patients, but has a better rep. Plus you get to live in Philly...

Also, if you're that intent on doing research the summer before med school (instead of relaxing?! why?!?!), then you can always do it at one of the affiliated labs at Rutgers. Furthermore, if you are very interested in research, RWJ has much better and many more facilities than NJMS.
 
NJMS' interview day just seem disorganized and they did not seem to care to woo applicants. It's like they've resigned themselves to accepting RWJ rejects or something. Actually, scrathch that, they believe themselves to be much better than they are and that NJMS will rise to the level of Harvard within a decade. Thus, they do not need to woo applicants. At least that's the impression I got from my interviewer, who by the way, was quite arrogant.

I totally agree about the interview day. RWJ goes all out to woo their applicants. I was very dissapointed in NJMS's interview day. My interview was at 10 and then I had to wait two and a half hours for the tour. Everything seemed really unorganized, although I thought the admissions staff was very friendly.
 
i'm choosing rwj over njms.

i really like the rwj campus. 🙂 the curriculum seems pretty solid. just looking at the website, everything seems to be organized (they've got a book list and a list of first year courses, etc) i spoke to the c. terriengo, and from what i heard from her, the dean and faculty are very accesible.

i agree about njms ppl being arrogant. my interviewer seemed that way. i'm sure the school has perks...i just didn't see any while interviewing/touring. the school seems pretty unorganized and hardly any1 goes to class. i'm not sure if it's the same way at rwj, but that seems to set a bad tone for incoming students.

as for rwj having a suburbanish hospital, i don't think that's neccessarily true. i worked at rwj uni hospital for about a year. the patient population is extremely diverse and you do get to see alot of trauma. i think working at rwj uni. hosp and st. peters will provide students with excellent learning experiences. plus, you've got the cancer institute and children's hospital right around the corner.
 
just curious...how many of you guys are definetly set on attending rwj? just wanted to get an idea of who my future classmates will be. 🙂
 
abbeacon,

I was accepted to both RWJ and NJMS and I am choosing NJMS. NJMS has always been my #1 choice. RWJ is a nice school but there is no way I can see myself living in such a non-happening place. I am a city person and though I want to get away from the city, in terms of commuting and still being with my family/friends in NYC..NJMS is my better choice.

I think NJMS and RWJ are both great schools, so I wasn't trying to push each one against each other academically. But I liked the atmosphere at NJMS a lot better.

Collar me crazy, but I also felt I was better, being a blk woman, represented at NJMS.
 
BushBaby,

I'll definetely agree w/ you that you're probably better represented in terms of race at NJMS... but what did you like better about their atmosphere? Just curious, because i've been doing research there for three years, and neither then nor during my interview/tour did I get a good vibe...
 
Bushbaby,

I understand what your saying. I havn't interviewed at Robert Wood but I have visited and know the area well. I know I'd feel more at home at NJMS than RWJ just because of greater diversity. I don't know if others quite understand that but, if your a minority, you get my drift.

lakun
 
By the way, BushBaby, how long did it take for you to hear back after your interview that you'd been accepted to NJmed? I just had my interview yesterday and neglected to ask.

lakun
 
Originally posted by lakun
By the way, BushBaby, how long did it take for you to hear back after your interview that you'd been accepted to NJmed? I just had my interview yesterday and neglected to ask.

lakun

At my interview they said 6-8 weeks, but one of the people said to call after 4 if you want and we may be able to tell you.
 
Originally posted by quideam
BushBaby,

I'll definetely agree w/ you that you're probably better represented in terms of race at NJMS... but what did you like better about their atmosphere? Just curious, because i've been doing research there for three years, and neither then nor during my interview/tour did I get a good vibe...

Hi,

I haven't start school yet there so I can't say what my vibe about the diversity/minority life is. I know a few minorities that attend the school and they are happy there. No school (unless it's a HBCU) will ever have enough minorities that they become the majority.

Minorities are not going to 100% well treated in a school because sad as it is, we are not 100% treated in society (so a school is really not that different as the students and faculty are made up of the same people you encounter in every day life).
This is where the support factor comes in, in terms of having other students and faculty to go to when you do experience problems and they have ways to help you solve it or at least they can understand where you are coming from.
 
Originally posted by hypersting
At my interview they said 6-8 weeks, but one of the people said to call after 4 if you want and we may be able to tell you.

What hypersting said. I heard back in 3 weeks though. I was interviewed the first week of dec and I heard back on x-mas day.
 
While I think both places are excellent schools, I have to go with NJMS. The clinical experiences there are supposed to be amazing, and I was really struck with how genuinely happy the students are there. Also, they're undergoing a huge curriculum change and growing substantially in their research grants and the building of a new facility devoted to humanism in medicine.
I know most of you got great vibes from RWJ, but I honestly didn't get that impression when I interned and interviewed there. That's just me.
 
A big difference is that at NJMS -- the students are in the same phyiscal plant for four years -- pretty much. At RWJ, 1/3 class goes to Camden and the others go to RWJ-UH which is also not near the basic sciences classroom.

I'd think you get to see 3rd and 4th years a bit more at NJMS. Could someone at RWJ post and say if that's true there or not?

And, yes, NJMS does have some organizational problems. But, the new Dean of Education is really on top of things. And, students are very motivated in terms of clubs, bringing in speakers too.

Look also at how many people are in each place -- 170 at NJMS 150 at RWJ -- it's only 20 people but it can make a difference if you want a smaller or larger class.

If you want go to: http://catalyst.umdnj.edu/plexus/ -- NJMS's online version of their student paper. You can get a good feeling for the pros and cons of the place there.

In the end though, I feel you have to listen to your gut. It's a tough decision. And, yes, I would say too that RWJ gets more applicants to come there over NJMS who were common acceptances. Their admissions staff is awesome. And, the facilities are superior to NJMS.

But, neither school is going to hold you back if you really put all your work into it -- look more into the environment -- and, at this point, curriculum differences.
 
Dumpling,

That's essentially how I rationalized choosing NJMS over RWJMS .. Granted, both schools are excellent and if I was accepted to only one of them, I wouldn't hesitate to attend either one.

I'm usually pretty decisive about these kind of things, but I really had a hard time pinpointing exactly why I chose NJMS.. Ultimately, it came down to a gut instinct, as I just felt more comfortable up there. RWJMS definitely went out of their way to "sell" the school, moreso than NJMS, but I cynically (and maybe unfairly) felt this was a way to gloss over the school's weaknesses (whether actual or just perceived by applicants).

Student happiness at NJMS cannot be understated, as everyone I spoke with echoed the same sentiments.. The prospects of a new curriculum are very exciting, even though we're going to be "guinea pigs" this year.. But I definitely think the emphasis on clinical exposure throughout your basic science years will prove invaluable when doing rotations..

abbeacon


Originally posted by Dumpling
While I think both places are excellent schools, I have to go with NJMS. The clinical experiences there are supposed to be amazing, and I was really struck with how genuinely happy the students are there. Also, they're undergoing a huge curriculum change and growing substantially in their research grants and the building of a new facility devoted to humanism in medicine.
I know most of you got great vibes from RWJ, but I honestly didn't get that impression when I interned and interviewed there. That's just me.
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I'm here to add a vote for NJMS. Just had my interview, and hands down, the clinical experience at NJMS is definitely better. Students are responsible for patients in their third year, and when they leave, they have clinical skills and can transition pretty smoothly into internship. I just didn't get this kind of vibe from RWJ, although students do at least have the opportunity to go to Camden during their 3rd and 4th years. However, I'm not sure if I would be happy in that area in and around Piscataway, it just didn't give me that warm and fuzzy feeling inside. Newark, on the other hand, is similar to where I grew up, so that's why I don't really see the location as a drawback.
 
Does anybody know if Hackensack Hospital is still an affiliated hospital of UMDNJ. Awhile back I heard that students were going to stop rotating through it, but haven't heard anything since.

thanks.
 
I like NJMS too. It has a pretty busy hospital. Isn't this coming year gonna be p/f?
 

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Banker, not sure about your question, but the students did mention that most of your clinicals are done at the Unversity's Hospital.

Gollum, I believe that you're right. Apparently, the school is very receptive to what students think about the curriculum, so I'm sure that much consideration is going into this decision. Many more institutions (esp. the Ivies) are moving toward the P/F curriculum (if they're not already there), so NJMS seems to be keeping up with the current trends.
 
I like NJMS more so than RWJ (personal opinion). To me, the NJMS admissions staff seemed a lot more open and friendly. Plus, the whole changing the curriculum is exciting for no other reason than the unpredictability. Plus, main hospital is attached to the school (not so with RWJ).

That said, NJMS really has to spice up their website to attract more students. Their website seems very static and out-dated. In this day and age of IT, you need to present yourself well over the website as it is usually the FIRST sight someone has of a school.

If anyone at NJMS reads this--PLEASE, at least to attract students more, update your website! Keep course material online, and update the activities and stuff of the school for access to future applicants/students.
 
hey guys....i got into both rwj and umdnj and i'm choosing rwj without a doubt....i heard that the population that is served during the clinical years at rwj is more diverse in the sense that you have the suburban population of surrounding rutgers and new brunswick and you also serve the downtown new brunswick population....this group may not be as intense as newark...but nonetheless it is serves to give a taste of such a population...anyhow i liked the facilities a lot more at rwj and the atmosphere was more attractive overall (students, faculty, etc.)
 
Does anybody know where I could find the recent match list for umdnj graduates?
 
Originally posted by Banker01
Does anybody know if Hackensack Hospital is still an affiliated hospital of UMDNJ. Awhile back I heard that students were going to stop rotating through it, but haven't heard anything since.
thanks.

NJMS>RWJ

...but it's actually a pretty close call. RWJ is a little stronger in research while NJMS is a little stronger with its clinical training. And yes, NJMS is still affiliated with HUMC. As far as I know, students still rotate through there.
 
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