No AAs wanted in Utah

[pencan]

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Even see a comment from an anesthesiologist saying they are poorly trained.


http://utahsurgeonsforsafeanesthesia.com/index.asp

 

[Endee]

-There is inherent risk in both the quality and quantity of AA training. Unlike anesthesiologists whose education culminates in thirteen years or more of diversified training or certified registered nurse anesthetists whose clinical experience and academic requirements extend for often greater than nine years, AA's- with no required healthcare background- complete their training in two years time.

So, CRNA training gets to count undergraduate degrees and unrelated work experience, while this makes it sound like AA's have two years of training after high school.

 

[IlDestriero]

So, CRNA training gets to count undergraduate degrees and unrelated work experience, while this makes it sound like AA's have two years of training after high school.

Yeah, I saw that. BTW, what CRNA mill CRNA has 9 years experience? Could be only 5. Nursing school's doesn't usually attract the best and brightest either.
Reeks of AANA propaganda to me. I wonder if he has a CRNA mill?

 

[ProRealDoc]

Nothing but AANA propaganda.

 

[deleted126335]

-There are some anesthesiologists that have mixed feelings about the whole anesthesiology assistant concept. Particularly those that work in MD only practices.
-Anesthesiologists that work with CRNAs but don't feel threatened by CRNAs might happily throw their CRNAs a bone by coming out against AAs.
-Many surgeons work with solo CRNAs and would view an anesthesiologist led ACT with AAs as potential competitor for authority.

 

[Mman]

Having worked with both I can confidently say that the differences between an AA and a CRNA are nearly 100% individual in nature.

A random CRNA and a random AA will do equally good jobs taking care of patients. There are plenty of bad CRNAs and bad AAs and plenty of good CRNAs and good AAs.

The difference is in the person.

 

[MRW]

That web site just bakes my noodle in so many ways. From the absurd assertion that CRNAs have nine years of training and AAs two to the fact that noone quoted on that site seems to know what AA stands for.

 

[aneftp]

Having worked with both I can confidently say that the differences between an AA and a CRNA are nearly 100% individual in nature.

A random CRNA and a random AA will do equally good jobs taking care of patients. There are plenty of bad CRNAs and bad AAs and plenty of good CRNAs and good AAs.

The difference is in the person.

I agree with you having worked with both AAs and CRNAs.

But I think we are all missing the big issue at hand. It's that these mid-levels education prior to starting anesthesia school (AA or CRNA school).

Unfortunately the AANA propaganda has led the public into think a 4 year BSN in nursing counts more than 4 year liberal arts degree.

We all know very young CRNAs (some as young as 25 years old) lack the clinical experience to function independently.

I'm surprise the ASA doesn't lead a public campaign recognizing this lack of experience.

It used to be that a nurse would pay their dues. Working on the floor for a year or two. Than work in the ICU for a couple of years. Than by the time they were in their late 20s (after 5 years of clinical experience), apply for CRNA school. In my opinion that's the way it should be.

But so many young students have "figured out the game". They read on the internet how much CRNAs make. So they go straight for that BSN degree. Than do 1 year, maybe 2 years max of clinical nursing and go to CRNA school. So you have their newly minted CRNAs coming out who are very young. We are talking 25 years old CRNAs who lack the clinical judgement and experience. And the AANA wants these types of CRNAs to practice independently legally? The ASA needs to make these types of points to the public. There's no way the AANA can defend this lack of clinical experience.

So I do find it ironic CRNAs opposed AA and claim lack of education when the young CRNAs are in the same boat as the AAs.

 

[Mman]

I agree with you having worked with both AAs and CRNAs.

But I think we are all missing the big issue at hand. It's that these mid-levels education prior to starting anesthesia school (AA or CRNA school).

Unfortunately the AANA propaganda has led the public into think a 4 year BSN in nursing counts more than 4 year liberal arts degree.

We all know very young CRNAs (some as young as 25 years old) lack the clinical experience to function independently.

I'm surprise the ASA doesn't lead a public campaign recognizing this lack of experience.

It used to be that a nurse would pay their dues. Working on the floor for a year or two. Than work in the ICU for a couple of years. Than by the time they were in their late 20s (after 5 years of clinical experience), apply for CRNA school. In my opinion that's the way it should be.

But so many young students have "figured out the game". They read on the internet how much CRNAs make. So they go straight for that BSN degree. Than do 1 year, maybe 2 years max of clinical nursing and go to CRNA school. So you have their newly minted CRNAs coming out who are very young. We are talking 25 years old CRNAs who lack the clinical judgement and experience. And the AANA wants these types of CRNAs to practice independently legally? The ASA needs to make these types of points to the public. There's no way the AANA can defend this lack of clinical experience.

So I do find it ironic CRNAs opposed AA and claim lack of education when the young CRNAs are in the same boat as the AAs.

I completely agree. I would venture a guess that 80-90% of CRNA students planned on going to CRNA school while they were in undergrad and took jobs with the idea of getting into CRNA school ASAP.

At my residency program (big name academic school, lots of trauma, etc), the trauma ICU was basically a breeding ground for RNs applying to CRNA school. Over the course of a 3 year period, I think roughly 25 out of 30 new hires that they made ended up applying to CRNA school when they were eligible. All the nurses that work there are either longterm ICU nurses (in their 40s to 60s) or new grads planning on applying to CRNA school. There is nothing in between. Essentially every new hire they make is looking at it as a short term job to buff up their resume.

 

[Intensivist]

it is sad to watch up to where has american medicine came to.... to have to strugle with nasty nurses that want to practise medicine.... l guess you should have stopped it at the roots, it's just absurd to have mid levels performining this high rank stuff. Nurses should be practising nursing instead.

 

[maceo]

im almost certain that the crna organization are behind that website. why on earth would surgeons go against the AAs. If the Anesthesiologists are ok with it. why would the surgeons be against it? doesnt make sense.

 

[Endee]

What is even more disappointing is to see the anesthesiologists that are aligning themselves with the AANA's agenda. Why would you take the side of a group that wants to supplant you over a group that wants to support your position?

im almost certain that the crna organization are behind that website. why on earth would surgeons go against the AAs. If the Anesthesiologists are ok with it. why would the surgeons be against it? doesnt make sense.

 

[ProRealDoc]

What is even more disappointing is to see the anesthesiologists that are aligning themselves with the AANA's agenda. Why would you take the side of a group that wants to supplant you over a group that wants to support your position?

1)Just email this (http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/lrcpubs/RR337.pdf) article to the folks at that website. Send them this link too while you're at it: http://www.asahq.org/Newsletters/2008/02-08/plagen02-08.html

2) A lot of anesthesiologists are like ostriches.

 

[maceo]

1)Just email this (http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/lrcpubs/RR337.pdf) article to the folks at that website. Send them this link too while you're at it: http://www.asahq.org/Newsletters/2008/02-08/plagen02-08.html

2) A lot of anesthesiologists are like ostriches.

nice nice find proreal. I would ask the mods to sticky this thread.


I guess I should email those anesthesiolgists in utah who are opposed to AAs. Are they all about ALL MD? or are they in favor of CRNAS over AAs. The reason why CRNAs are so dangerous is that they truly believe they do not need medical direction. They teach that in crna school.

 

[ZachNear]

1)Just email this (http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/lrcpubs/RR337.pdf) article to the folks at that website. Send them this link too while you're at it: http://www.asahq.org/Newsletters/2008/02-08/plagen02-08.html

Upon visiting this despicable website, these 2 articles were the first things I sent to those bastards. Thanks for posting them on this thread; reading the vitriol on that uninformed and propaganda-spewing website is infuriating, but it is best to take action rather than sit idly by.

 

[jwk]

Although I of course don't agree, I can at least understand that there are anesthesiologists that don't like ANY midlevel anesthesia providers. But for a few physicians to actually take the time to organize (even if it's only these three on the website) this little campaign makes zero sense.

It kinda makes you wonder where their source of funding might be. Follow the money. 🙄 (now assuming Church Lady persona) Let's see.....whoooooo could it be...........could it be..................?

 

[Endee]

Satan?

although i of course don't agree, i can at least understand that there are anesthesiologists that don't like any midlevel anesthesia providers. But for a few physicians to actually take the time to organize (even if it's only these three on the website) this little campaign makes zero sense.

It kinda makes you wonder where their source of funding might be. Follow the money. 🙄 (now assuming church lady persona) let's see.....whoooooo could it be...........could it be..................?

 

[jwk]

Satan?

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