No More AOA residencies ?

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For Osteopaths, this is huge.
 
Its good for the AOA residencies if they can meet the standards. Otherwise, I guess they might lose accreditation and have to close. Overall it should be a good thing.
 
So, can MD's now apply for those residency programs since, during there time in training, the transition will occur?
 
GypsySongman said:
I have a crazy idea- change all DO schools to MD schools.
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Haha maybe someday.

I just listened to a conference call by the DO leaders and they were emphatic the DO degree was going nowhere. Nor was COCA the accrediting body for DO schools or the COMLEX going to be axed anytime soon.

Why would they, I just paid $1,200 to take my PE so they can be sure I speak english.
 
scudrunner said:
For sure. A buddy of mine got a letter from wayne state/DMC basically telling him that there are separate positions in their system that are especially for DOs and to apply to them if he is interested.
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I talked with them at the residency meet and greet for ASA 2012 and they pretty much said we will not take DOs into the ACGME spots because they have AOA spots just for us. I asked how that would work for fellowships and they basically said if you were in their AOA spots and wanted to do their Pain fellowship on the MD side after they would take you.

I dunno how this news of one accrediting body will change things.
 
Doctor4Life1769 said:
even if they could, doubt they'd want to.
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I agree, but eventually, these will be held up to ACGME standards and be more accepted. When that occurs, there should be a level playing field. If they can apply to ours, we can apply to theirs. There may be a few who have geographic reasons (spouse's employment etc) that would make that location their first choice. I believe they should have that option, though I would not recommend it at the current time (based on quality and level of acceptance/prestige of the osteopathic residencies). As that may change over time, I think it should be an option.
 
Gern Blansten said:
Going nowhere as in had no future? Or going nowhere as in will be around for the foreseeable future?
Pretty sure I know what you mean, but just clarifying.
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The latter.

I think they will open DO spots to MDs but just like the surgical subspecialties are "open" to DOs, it doesn't mean we will actually see MDs in the DO residencies.
 
So I wonder what this really means for us going into residency in the next couple years.....does it mean AOA residencies are going to be more respectable or should we be worried we are going to match in a program that could be shut down by 2015...?!?! I am glad its happening but man I wish I really knew what it all means for my future! 😕
 
I imagine the residencies that are very difficult to match as an MD will see them go to DO as well which would be bad for DOs, aren't there only 40 or so spots for DO derm? I imagine some MDs will start to get those
 
RMortis said:
I imagine the residencies that are very difficult to match as an MD will see them go to DO as well which would be bad for DOs, aren't there only 40 or so spots for DO derm? I imagine some MDs will start to get those
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That's what I'm saying. Won't MD grads who weren't quite competitive for MD Anesthesiology start competing for these spots.

Derm seems like it would be even more so.
 
JoBreeze said:
That's what I'm saying. Won't MD grads who weren't quite competitive for MD Anesthesiology start competing for these spots.

Derm seems like it would be even more so.
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I don't think that it is very likely......as someone pointed out before just because MD's are allowed in doesn't mean they will ever match. I could easily see these programs giving preference to DO's and while they may interview MD's they just choose not to rank them like some programs do with DO applicants in the allo world.


And for the record the AOA lists 27 derm residencies......there are only 13 anesthesia residencies.....so my guess is there are atleast 27 derm spots each year even if each only takes one a year.
 
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Funded was the key word. Lots of those you either have to do family medicine residency first at the facility or pay your own way.
 
That is still a gross understatement as there are a total of 30 funded positions in MI alone ( divided over the 3 yr residency) so ten funded positions a year. I do admit though I was shocked to see that there are unfunded positions in some of them where your salary is 0! Not sure about anyone else but I couldn't spend 3 years with no income at all. I didn't realize that it even existed!
 
I imagine the bias for MD/DO would depend on the institution and the makeup of the faculty. If those DO derm positions were at a hospital where most of the faculty were MDs they probably wouldn't have a problem with accepting more MDs. From what I've seen (I'm an allo at an academic center) the residency programs here that accept DOs have faculty DOs that advocate for them. Plus, the DO derm application is during your intern year apparently, so it would be all the MDs who didn't match at their program. Either way the change is great for DOs for fellowship positions
 
back to topic, does this make DO residencies viable now?? for ABA licensure??
 
Well technically any AOA residency we went to would be accredited by the ACGME by the time we are done training. Thus leveling the playing field a lot for fellowships etc

There will definitely still be discrimination against the previously DO residencies as inferior but with time this will fade as the residencies that can't meet their numbers will be closed.

I don't consider it an equatable option to doing an ACMGE (currently) residency but it can only help to be accredited by the same body.

on my phone so scattered and brief...
 
BobBarker said:
Funded was the key word. Lots of those you either have to do family medicine residency first at the facility or pay your own way.
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Do you think that these unfunded residency spots will still be offered in the next few years, especially in the 2015 match? Or since the DO programs will have to conform to the ACGME standards, that the ACGME will put a definite end to DO Derm and Anesthesia unfunded residency spots, also since they don't allow any residencies be unfunded in the MD world currently.
 
Why wouldn't these DO residency positions remain DO only?
 
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