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I'm having a lot of trouble with organic chemistry. Not only is the breadth of material difficult to get through, the tests are very strict in terms of grading. I never had trouble with science before - I got A's in Gen Chem, Gen Physics, Calc I, Calc II, but orgo is different.

Has anyone else had a similar experience and do you know a possible reason for it? I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I feel like I studied more for orgo than all my other classes combined but I'm doing so much worse.
 
I'm having a lot of trouble with organic chemistry. Not only is the breadth of material difficult to get through, the tests are very strict in terms of grading. I never had trouble with science before - I got A's in Gen Chem, Gen Physics, Calc I, Calc II, but orgo is different.

Has anyone else had a similar experience and do you know a possible reason for it? I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I feel like I studied more for orgo than all my other classes combined but I'm doing so much worse.

there are alot of conceptual ideas in organic chemistry...people try to bomb there way through it memorization and they never make it anywhere because of it...try learning the concepts...do problems in study guides
 
I'm having a lot of trouble with organic chemistry. Not only is the breadth of material difficult to get through, the tests are very strict in terms of grading. I never had trouble with science before - I got A's in Gen Chem, Gen Physics, Calc I, Calc II, but orgo is different.

Has anyone else had a similar experience and do you know a possible reason for it? I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I feel like I studied more for orgo than all my other classes combined but I'm doing so much worse.

What are you doing in class right now? Might make it easier for people to give worthwhile advice.
 
I suggest using the professor's office hours. I met with my orgo professors a lot while I was in that class which helped me figure out why certrain reactions take place rather than just memorizing what happens. It is hard though, Orgo was the only science class that I did not get an A in as an undergraduate (B+).
 
Yea I echo what has already been said. I went into OChem I and just memorized everything. I did OK but it was definitely not the most efficient way of going about things.

During OChem II, I started looking more at mechanisms and trends. If you can simplify and compartmentalize it in your mind as opposed to looking at as a whole I believe it makes it much easier. Good luck.
 
The way you approach the material makes a big difference. Try to absorb all the concepts and when you're attempting problems look at them from a big picture perspective, working backwards helps.
 
I'm struggling as well. I have science GPA of 4.0 as of now but it looks like I will be losing it after this quarter which makes me sad. 🙁
 
Read the textbook! Read the book slowly and meticulously, paying attention to trends and patterns. As some others have mentioned, try to read with understanding in mind rather than just rote memorization. The reactions happen the way they do for a reason, and you eventually get to a point where you'll begin to basically predict the product of a new reaction you're learning just by knowing what reactants are being used. Developing a strong foundation is crucial to doing better later in the course.
 
Understand "pushing electrons."

Figure out how to predict rather than memorize what will happen in a given situation. Every time you do a practice problem and it goes differently than you expected it would, figure out why, incorporate the new information, and try the next problem with that in mind. When you can accurately predict 95% of the problems, then you can look at memorizing special rules. It's actually very logical if you get to really know it.
 
I had the same problem. All A's until Organic, and those were the only non A's I earned in college.

Organic I tests for me were ridiculously hard (Honors) and I tried to memorize, which didn't work. I also didn't devote nearly enough time to studying. Organic II was when I tried to actually learn and understand the reactions, but I could never seem to get higher than an 85. It just wasn't my thing.
 
Orgo isn't easy but it is the same thing over and over again. Don't try to memorize the material or reactions, try to understand the mechanism and why it's occurring. Once you get the basic gist of the mechanism you can solve any problem. For the organic final I stayed up the whole night, one day before the exam, and got a 92. For general chemistry I studied for a week and got a 89. It really just depends on how you go about studying the material
 
Too many people hear bad things about Organic from stupid people and then they get into this mindset that they can't get an A and then they don't.

I just read and read read every page until I understood everything. It probably took maybe 10 times for me to reread some sections, but at the end of the day I understood it.

After that, come test time (at least a week in advance), I'd actually start preparing for the test. I'd start going over everything again, doing problems, mapping things out, and memorizing things.

The people that got lower than an A were mainly the ones that put off trying to understand everything until the week of the test.

I'd be lying if I said my two semesters of the course weren't stressful, but really, you'll make it better for yourself if you did what I did.


Also, class was the biggest waste of time. I stopped going to it after the first midterm. Really, your prof isn't going to say anything that's not in the textbook and you're responsible for everything it in anyways. A lot of the people meticulously taking notes think they've got everything they need to know in their notes. Then they realize they don't understand it and flip **** when the prof puts random questions from the book on the test.
 
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I really liked my orgo book by Janice Gorzynski Smith. I thought it was easy to understand/explained stuff well. Maybe give that a try.

Wanted to add: draw out the mechanisms. At the end of each chapter, Smith had like 60 questions, often with a-g for each question. It will suck initially, but when you get your exam back, you'll see the benefits.
 
Do not listen to the advice of others and completely throw out what has worked for you in other classes.

More on that later.

For both ochem I and II: this is just one former TA's opinion. For the basics -- alkanes/alkenes/alkynes, Kekulé structures, angles, GSE configurations, IUPAC nomenclature, all that -- there will be some memorization just as par for the course. It's akin to having to memorize an alphabet; I like the Russian language, but if I ever hope to be competent in its usage, I'll first have to memorize the 33 letters of the Cryillic alphabet.

When I went through the courses, it was my experience that the ratio of memorization to understanding more readily dropped as I progressed; at first, there were things that were easier to "just know" -- but as you get into nomenclature, intro to synthesis, all that, the material lends itself way more readily to understanding as opposed to oh-okay-hydrogen-with-palladium-catalyst-does-such-and-such (although knowing that is certainly useful in its own right).

Beyond much of the "basics", and for the purposes of undergraduate organic chemistry courses, you're often basically just putting together a jigsaw puzzle. It's pattern-matching, folks. The person above me who was talking about electron-pushing has the right idea; once you grasp a few basic ideas (e.g., oxygen is an electrophilic ***** and loves to snatch electrons), mechanisms start to make more sense. And at some point, it does get to where you start to pattern match functional parts of reactants and what a given reaction condition will do to them. That's why practice problems are useful.

For me, I avoided the textbook at all costs, but that may just be because I felt that I had great ochem professors. I went to class without fail, took solid notes without fail, and frequently reviewed my notes without fail. When practice problems / practice exams were made available, I made damn sure I used them -- mostly for the things that made me uncomfortable, and less so for the things about which I felt I had a decent understanding.

All of that said -- don't take ANYTHING posted in this thread as gospel. If anything I said is anti-you, then don't listen to me any more than you do anyone else. The best approach quite possibly might just be some amalgam of shaping your approach to the material ever-so-slightly, but fundamentally using what has always worked for you in other classes.
 
The best approach quite possibly might just be some amalgam of shaping your approach to the material ever-so-slightly, but fundamentally using what has always worked for you in other classes.
The best approach is a mercury alloy?
 
study more. if you study full-bore and orgo still doesn't click I don't know what to tell you.
 
I'm going to have to admit, sterochemistry and that sort of stuff was much harder than reactions, and synthesis. Thats because once you really really understand basicity, nucleophilicity, acidity and electrophilicity its all completely down hill from there.
 
e.g., oxygen is an electrophilic ***** and loves to snatch electrons

:laugh: Now I'm totally not gonna forget this for when I start orgo next year. If only professors phrased things like that, too.
 
:laugh: Now I'm totally not gonna forget this for when I start orgo next year. If only professors phrased things like that, too.

my organic I professor was like that...sn2 BACKSIDE attack was his favorite thing...oh how he LOVED to say backside attack

and i will never forget (di you call me anisole? i am not!!)

dude was an oober redneck
 
If you understand where the electrons are going Organic Chemistry is an easy A.
 
Organic Chemistry as a Second Language I and II by David Klein.
 
I actually loved Orgo. I mean...as much as anyone could, not excessively though lol. Orgo wasn't boring because once you memorized the basics, you had to use them to problem solve. Don't approach it with an attitude that you need to regurgitate information...it's a puzzle and the pieces are the reactions that you memorized. Electron pushing also serves to give better visuals. good luck:luck::luck::luck:!
 
When I took organic 1 for the first time I was also taking 3 writing intensive classes, a medical spanish class, I worked 10 hours a week, and I volunteered 3. Long story short I was too stressed and dropped the course. I know I need to take it again so I was thinking about taking 1 and 2 this summer - it's going to be faster paced, but I won't be taking anything else and I think I'll just have a part time job.
Can I have someone's opinion on taking it during the summer when I have less going on compared to during the school year when I have 4 other classes and probably work?
 
When I took organic 1 for the first time I was also taking 3 writing intensive classes, a medical spanish class, I worked 10 hours a week, and I volunteered 3. Long story short I was too stressed and dropped the course. I know I need to take it again so I was thinking about taking 1 and 2 this summer - it's going to be faster paced, but I won't be taking anything else and I think I'll just have a part time job.
Can I have someone's opinion on taking it during the summer when I have less going on compared to during the school year when I have 4 other classes and probably work?

Go for it. I took physics I/II over the summer; not orgo, but a similar idea.
 
Go for it. I took physics I/II over the summer; not orgo, but a similar idea.

I was thinking about doing physics, but then a friend mentioned I should try organic so I can just focus on that class.

Thanks for the input!
 
my organic I professor was like that...sn2 BACKSIDE attack was his favorite thing...oh how he LOVED to say backside attack

and i will never forget (di you call me anisole? i am not!!)

dude was an oober redneck

Backside attack? WAS HIS NAME NEFZI AND DID YOU GO TO UCSD?!?!

:laugh:
 
What if a guy took organic I and physics I at the same time? What if he took genetics along with them and nothing else? hint hint 😉
 
Doesn't sound too bad. None are lab classes and two are introductory.
 
I'm having a lot of trouble with organic chemistry. Not only is the breadth of material difficult to get through, the tests are very strict in terms of grading. I never had trouble with science before - I got A's in Gen Chem, Gen Physics, Calc I, Calc II, but orgo is different.

Has anyone else had a similar experience and do you know a possible reason for it? I don't know what I'm doing wrong. I feel like I studied more for orgo than all my other classes combined but I'm doing so much worse.

I did really good in organic because after the beginning of the class I stop memorizing stuff and just really understood why things were happening. Don't wase time trying to memorize reactions because they will always be different on the exam, instead understand why stuff is happening and you will be able to get ANY exam question right now matter what the professor does.
 
ill be honest I think orgo is like 2nd grade math compared to physics
 
Well Orgo 3 is probably as hard as Phys 2, but Phys 3 (optics, fluids) is easier than Phys 2 and any Orgo.
 
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