Non MSTP MD/PhD

[Neuralicious]

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Anyone have a list of the MD/PhD schools that are NOT MSTPs?

 

[texan2009]

I think the majority of non-MSTP medical school have one. I could be wrong though.

 

[red doctober]

X-check this list:

https://www.aamc.org/download/321554/data/2012factstable36-2.pdf

with:

http://www.nigms.nih.gov/Training/InstPredoc/PredocInst-MSTP.htm

Some non-MSTP MD/PHD programs are very small (1 or so people/yr) and might not be worth applying to.

 

[AGG]

This is the best list of MD/PhD programs and their activity that I found:

https://www.aamc.org/download/321544/data/2012factstable33.pdf

Look at the number of matriculants vs. number of applicants to get a sense of the program. Notice some of the programs that received a lot of applications didn't matriculate a single student (e.g., GW, Georgeton). This is often an indication that the program does not provide a stipend or is not funded etc.

 

[K31]

Notice some of the programs that received a lot of applications didn't matriculate a single student (e.g., GW, Georgeton). This is often an indication that the program does not provide a stipend or is not funded etc.

This is exactly what happened to me with Georgetown. I applied, paid their (extremely high) secondary fee, then found out they don't fund the medical school years. Declined the interview offer.

 

[MurumErumpendum]

This is exactly what happened to me with Georgetown. I applied, paid their (extremely high) secondary fee, then found out they don't fund the medical school years. Declined the interview offer.

This is a bit strange. According to their website, 4 students matriculated: http://som.georgetown.edu/prospectivestudents/degrees/mdphd/

In the 2012/2013 admissions cycle, ~140 applications to the M.D./Ph.D. program were received. 25 applicants were offered an interview, eight offers were made, and four students matriculated into the program.
...
Students admitted to the M.D./Ph.D. program are provided with a scholarship equivalent to 50% off tuition+fees for the medical school years of their studies. Students also receive a stipend to perform a research rotation between the first and second year of medical school. During the graduate school years (generally years 3-6), students receive complete tuition remission as well as the standard graduate school stipend (currently $28,500/year).

Could that list be inaccurate? Even the number of applications is off and according to them, medschool tuition is covered at 50%.

I don't care about this program in particular, but it raises the question about whether the list is accurate for other schools.

 

[K31]

This is a bit strange. According to their website, 4 students matriculated: http://som.georgetown.edu/prospectivestudents/degrees/mdphd/



Could that list be inaccurate? Even the number of applications is off and according to them, medschool tuition is covered at 50%.

I don't care about this program in particular, but it raises the question about whether the list is accurate for other schools.

I applied almost a decade ago, so my information is quite outdated.

 

[MurumErumpendum]

I understand, but that AMCAS stats sheet posted by AGG above is from 2012.

https://www.aamc.org/download/321544/data/2012factstable33.pdf

 

[VonBeethoven]

I understand, but that AMCAS stats sheet posted by AGG above is from 2012.

https://www.aamc.org/download/321544/data/2012factstable33.pdf

When it says 2012, is that the class matriculating 2012 or applied 2012, matriculating this year?

 

[Fencer]

Matriculating in 2012. Applying in 2011. Data is not correct for some schools (like mine).

If you noticed, the data was from the census on 12/17/12. Thus, you will get to see the 2013 data as it is aggregated by the AAMC prior to making final decisions on schools where you interview.

I suggest to look at NIH reporter and look for non-MSTP MD/PhD schools and examine the T32, F30 and F31 grants for each of the schools that you are considering. Those grants are a demonstration that great training happens at that institution as seen by NIH Study Sections.

This website has the aggregate NIH funding, as well as by departments.
http://www.brimr.org/NIH_Awards/NIH_Awards.htm

What might work for you might not be the best location for another applicant.

Another one of my students got her F30 award this past week!

 

[Mel Belle]

MSTPs are what pay for your schooling through an MD/PhD program, right? Can I ask why someone would want a school that doesn't have one? If I'm wrong please correct me because I want to learn.

 

[NigelVermooth]

Many non MSTP MD/PhD programs provide partial or even full funding through other sources.

 

[Maebea]

Even at schools that have MSTP funding, the training grant pays for only a portion of the students being trained. The average last year was around 25%, with a range of 10% to 45%.

The reason you would consider a non-MSTP school is because all MSTP schools were non-MSTP programs before they received the MSTP grant. In order to be competitive for funding, they needed to have a profile that mirrored MSTP institutions in terms of competitiveness of the applicant pool, quality and quantity of research opportunities, organization & integration of the program, administrative and financial support, attrition, student publication records, program outcomes, etc. Obviously, they are not expected to look like Harvard, but they should resemble other, humbler MSTP schools. A program needs to operate at the level of a MSTP for 10 years to have a realistic shot at being funded.

With the cuts imposed by the sequestration, it would be risky to not consider applying to non-MSTP programs, especially if you have a strong preference for location.

 

[Mel Belle]

Okay, thanks for the info! 👍

 

[shezadeh]

This one doesn't seem to be on any list

https://www.med.illinois.edu/MSP/Students/MDPhD.php

It might be because technically the medical school is the same as the one at the UIC campus in Chicago (it is the U of I medical school regardless of where), the PhD however will be from UIUC.