Noone has screwed up their college career as bad as I have...........

[Maestrojo]

wow, I can't believe i'm typing this...ok, here it goes

I went to community college right out of HS. I've always wanted to work in Pharmacy (heck I've been a pharmacy technician for 6 years)

anyway...*sigh*

i've taken just about every science class over at least twice. I'm probably the biggest idiot I know.

the CC I went to did not have the +- system and when you fail a class the bad grade does not show up on your final transcript. So for example, if I got a c- in a class my transcript would just say C. Anyway:

I somehow got a D in chem 101 retook it and got a C
passed 1st semester general chem with a C
failed second semester general chem with an F. retook it and got a C
got a D in anatomy. retook it and got a C in it
got an F in marcoeconomics retook it and got a C
took 1st semester algebra based physics got an F retook it and got a C

now i'm at a university I failed microbiology (D) retook it and got a C-

failed 1st semester general biology D retook it and got a B

i've taken 1st semester O-chem 1..2..3 times getting a D every time I finally passed this fourth time with an absolute lowest of the low C- (at a university that honors the +- system) the only reason why the instructor passed me was because he didn't add up my points correctly on an older exam (BTW i'm a chem major)

i've failed 1st semester calculus 1..2..3..4..5 times and passed it with a B on my 6th try. The 5th time I took the course I took it at the university that keeps the grade of failed classes on your final transcript, so i'm definitly screwed in that department!

so basically all of the other prereqs (sociology psychology englishes etc) that are required i've passed them with B's or A's

now am currently taking Calculus II, O-Chem II, General Biology II and Art Appreciation. I'm doing fine in these clases and i'll pass them with decent grades however I think its too late for a variety of reasons:

1. Some schools want you to retake gnereal chem if its been longer than 7 years since you've last taken them. Fall 08 will be the 7th year for those classes.

2 Some colleges don't accept C-'s as passing

I'm 24 years old and I feel like i've been doing nothing but screw around these past few years. I don't know whats wrong with me. I like the subjects I think its cool to learn sciences. The strange thing is, I don't do anything. I don't go out with friends I don't drink or go to parties or anything.

What would you guys do in my situation? Heck, There's no reason to ask that question you guys are too smart to ever fall down the path i've gone. you don't have to respond to this topic I just felt like venting somewhere.

The only thing I can think of doing is moving far away and starting my college career all over again. But the only reason why i'm still in college is because I still live at home and thus I can pay for my own tuition, plus I have a bit of money stored away in savings. When people ask why I haven't gotten into pharmacy school yet, I just tell them...i'm only taking a couple of classes a semester, which is a lie since I average 14-17 units/semester...

oh and if you want to know, I'm on Academic Probation because I have a GPA of about 2.0145 and i'm at senoir status because I have so many units.....

ok, I guess i'm done.

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[Sparda29]

Well, I would suggest trying to finish off a bachelor's in something first. From there, move to a Master's in something, then apply to Pharmacy school.

As long as you use PharmCAS, you are going to get screwed because they average all grades in. And you haven't screwed up the worst.

If it doesn't work for me, I could potentially be the worst because: I have not paid a single penny for college, it has all been private loans that have been racking up incredible amounts of interest. I only get $2000/year from my school for scholarships. First year, I spent about $35,000. Second year, $45,000. Third Year, $35,000, could be more if I decide to take some summer classes.

So yeah, that is not counting the interest. Well, I know for a fact that a bachelor's in Biology is not really gonna get me much in terms of jobs, I have no interest in teaching high school biology. I'm on track for it by May 2009, but if I don't get into Pharmacy school, I'll have to do Biology, then I'll probably go for a Masters in Biology, PhD, etc.

Probably the biggest mistake I made was turning down St. John's and Hofstra, when I was graduating high school. Hofstra offered me a 90% scholarship, and I was going to enter as a Bio major. I could have easily taken the pre-reqs there and transfer to a Pharm School.

St. John's is a 0+6 program, so there is no need to worry about trying to get into the 3rd year. It's just that my traditional Indian parents heard from some other Indian parents that their daughter graduated from LIU and got tons of job offers, but they knew a kid who went to St. John's and couldn't find anything, so they made me go to LIU instead.

Yeah, and my final backup is baseball. I'm gonna try to walk on to the college team next season as a closing pitcher, I've never had an arm injury but I do have a torn ACL in my right knee, that could be a problem, other problem is that my fastball is only like 75 mph.

 

[kemist]

If you are non-white or mixed, try to pick up your GPA to 2.5 and aim for a 60+ PCAT. Be sure to emphasize your ethnicity when applying. During your interview, tell the guilt ridden ADCOMS that CVS and Walgreens are controlled by rich white people.

If you have the misfortune of being white, try plan B:

Start over. Redo all two years of prereqs at another school. Don't send the transcripts from your old school to pharmcas. Its technically against the rules, but morally its not wrong. Everyone deserves a fresh start.

 

[UES Girl]

If you have the misfortune of being white, try plan B:

Start over. Redo all two years of prereqs at another school. Don't send the transcripts from your old school to pharmcas. Its technically against the rules, but morally its not wrong. Everyone deserves a fresh start.[/quote]

I sincerely hope your post is a joke 😱

You are actually telling the poor guy to commit fraud. If your post is not a joke then I am speechless.

What's up with all these posts where people come up with all kinds of creative elaborate schemes in order to avoid the fair process the rest of us have to go through. Begging teachers to only consider your retakes, not sending trasncripts to pharmcas - Jesus, where was your energy and creative thinking when it came to earing good grades in college ? If only you put soo much energy into studying you'd probably wouldn't have to do all that stuff.

 

[Sparda29]

Since when is that fraud? That's basically the same thing as leaving a job out of your resume because you got fired for smoking weed on the job. It's not illegal.

 

[UES Girl]

Since when is that fraud? That's basically the same thing as leaving a job out of your resume because you got fired for smoking weed on the job. It's not illegal.

Are you freaken kidding me ? You are saying you can fail all the classes in the world, retake em at a different school and only count your good grades ? How is that not a fraud ?

Like I said instead of thinking of this elaborate scamming schemes how about showing some integrity and honesty ? You are trying to get into the profession for god's sake that is being built on those qualities.

 

[ethyl]

Wow... I don't know what I'd do in your situation. The only thing I can think of is retaking any prereq you got a C in. Finish your prereqs, ensure you have at least a 3.0 gpa in your prereqs alone... forget about everything else. Apply to pharmacy schools through pharmcas AND some schools that don't use pharmcas. Continue trying to get your bachelors if you don't get accepted. Keep applying for pharmacy school for the 2-3 years it takes to finish your bachelors... you should get in SOMEWHERE in the country. It doesn't matter if you're 28-30 by the time you get accepted, you'll still have about 30 years of work in ya.

I strongly suggest quitting whatever is taking your time away from studying (video games? internet?) Just cut it out entirely and focus on school. Mature your study ethic, GET SOME TUTORING, kick your own ***... do whatever it takes to get yourself back in the game.

 

[mrblah]

If you are managing to fail or get borderline grades in all your classes, you aren't doing something right. Either you are working to much, partying to much, goofing off too much, watching tv too much, playing wow too much, watching to much pron, spending to much time with the GF, staring at the ceiling, sniffing glue, or something. You need to seriously prioritize your life.

 

[ladifantasy]

Since when is that fraud? That's basically the same thing as leaving a job out of your resume because you got fired for smoking weed on the job. It's not illegal.

Are you kidding me? Did you check "Certification and Verification Statement" on PharmCAS?? It states that:
I certify, as required in the application, that I have read and understand all application instructions, including the provisions which note that I am responsible for monitoring and ensuring the progress of my application process. I certify that I have read and will abide by all school-specific instructions for my designated pharmacy schools. I certify that all the information and statements I have provided in this application are current, correct, and complete to the best of my knowledge. I understand that withholding information requested on the PharmCAS application, or giving false information, may be grounds for denial of admission to a pharmacy institution participating in PharmCAS or may be grounds for expulsion from the institution after I have been admitted. I give permission to PharmCAS to release any information related to my PharmCAS application to my designated pharmacy institutions. I acknowledge and agree that my sole remedy in the event of any proven errors or omissions related to the handling or processing of my application by PharmCAS is to obtain a refund of my PharmCAS application fee.

Pharmacy school is a professional school. If you are going to cheat your way to get in, then I don't think you deserve to get in.

 

[UES Girl]

Are you kidding me? Did you check "Certification and Verification Statement" on PharmCAS?? It states that:
I certify, as required in the application, that I have read and understand all application instructions, including the provisions which note that I am responsible for monitoring and ensuring the progress of my application process. I certify that I have read and will abide by all school-specific instructions for my designated pharmacy schools. I certify that all the information and statements I have provided in this application are current, correct, and complete to the best of my knowledge. I understand that withholding information requested on the PharmCAS application, or giving false information, may be grounds for denial of admission to a pharmacy institution participating in PharmCAS or may be grounds for expulsion from the institution after I have been admitted. I give permission to PharmCAS to release any information related to my PharmCAS application to my designated pharmacy institutions. I acknowledge and agree that my sole remedy in the event of any proven errors or omissions related to the handling or processing of my application by PharmCAS is to obtain a refund of my PharmCAS application fee.

Pharmacy school is a professional school. If you are going to cheat your way to get in, then I don't think you deserve to get in.

The sad thing is that we are competing with these people for the spots at school. 👎(

 

[Maestrojo]

If you are non-white or mixed, try to pick up your GPA to 2.5 and aim for a 60+ PCAT. Be sure to emphasize your ethnicity when applying. During your interview, tell the guilt ridden ADCOMS that CVS and Walgreens are controlled by rich white people.

If you have the misfortune of being white, try plan B:

Start over. Redo all two years of prereqs at another school. Don't send the transcripts from your old school to pharmcas. Its technically against the rules, but morally its not wrong. Everyone deserves a fresh start.

yeah, i'm a non-asian minority but I didn't think ethnicity mattered anymore.

even if it did I wouldn't want to be accepted for a reason like that.

 

[Maestrojo]

If you are managing to fail or get borderline grades in all your classes, you aren't doing something right. Either you are working to much, partying to much, goofing off too much, watching tv too much, playing wow too much, watching to much pron, spending to much time with the GF, staring at the ceiling, sniffing glue, or something. You need to seriously prioritize your life.

a couple of those are to blame. a lot of my homework is online and I tend to get sidetracked but I think its more complicated than that.

 

[PharmDnewb]

I'm gonna agree with mrblah. The first thing you have to do is get your **** straight. I don't want to sound like a snob but your grades are pretty bad, especially for a community college. Figure out why your grades are low so you can stop wasting your money and time retaking classes over and over again.

Pharmacy school is harder than college. If you can't/won't do your work in college, I don't know how you'll survive in pharmacy school.

Finish your pre-reqs, retake classes, and study for the PCAT's. It will probably take awhile but it'll be worth it if pharmacy is the thing you really want to do.

 

[PumpkinSmasher]

Calculus 6 times!? 6 times = stupid or lazy. Honestly I would say give up...unless you are ready for a long haul of boosting your GPA so you can get into a master's program and get a good GPA in that AND then apply to pharm school. I could see that taking 4-5 years just until you are able to apply. If that is something you are ready for then go for it, otherwise in all honesty find a new career path or stick with the technician thing.

 

[ladifantasy]

To the original poster,
I think you should take a step back and ask yourself how bad do you really want to become a pharmacist. Are you having any doubts about pharmacy? You could also do some research and try to get into easier programs, such as PA, nursing, optometry, etc. if you aren't sure if pharmacy is what you really want to do. But if you're set on pharmacy, then I would advise you to quit everything else and just focus in school. Repeat all the prereqs that you received a C and below in. Try your best to get all As and try to score in the 90s on the PCAT. You could always earn two Bachelor's degrees (i.e. Chemistry and Biology). Then, hopefully the Admissions Committee would overlook your past poor performance.

 

[PharmDstudent]

Do something else with your life. I rarely say this, because I'm optimistic about the future, but you need to move on.
Your pesistance is meaningless and wasteful at this point. You can't just stagnate like that and expect the world to fall into your lap.

If your PCAT score sucked after taking it five times, it would be a totally different story. You could just apply to non-PCAT schools.

In my most humble opinion, do something else- something respectable. You could always go back to being a pre-pharm later on in your life.

 

[Knickerbocker]

Since when is that fraud? That's basically the same thing as leaving a job out of your resume because you got fired for smoking weed on the job. It's not illegal.

Would you tell me your real name? Because if I ever walk into a pharmacy and see you, I'm going to turn around and walk right back out.

 

[happycow]

Start over. Redo all two years of prereqs at another school. Don't send the transcripts from your old school to pharmcas. Its technically against the rules, but morally its not wrong. Everyone deserves a fresh start.

Morally, it's not wrong? Perhaps to you, but what about ETHICALLY? I know other posters have already discussed this, but it's not just about admission to pharmacy school (although as of now, for pre-pharmers, it is, and I'm not downplaying the importance of the admissions process). The field itself does not need people like that.

The "everyone deserves a fresh start" is questionable. Let the adcoms at various institutions decide that AFTER they receive ALL of the transcripts.

Back to the subject at hand: I don't want to be a downer, but while others are asking you if this is really what you want, I would suggest that you reevaluate whether or not this is a realistic goal, not just in terms of passion and effort, but in terms of ability. I am not judging and saying that you are unable to handle the work -- that is up to you to decide. However, there is a reason why not everyone in the world is a pharmacist, lawyer, doctor, or PhD degree holder. I think deciding the realism of this goal is important, so that you're not stuck wasting your time on prereqs if this is not the path for you.

If you did so well in your humanities-type courses, why not try out more of those? Maybe you're better fit for those courses, instead. But of course, that is for you to decide.

 

[mrblah]

The sad thing is that we are competing with these people for the spots at school. 👎(

I would like to thank all "these people" for making it easier to choose me 😀

maestrojo: have you ever considered that maybe the health sciences isn't for you. Maybe a career in IT, lawyers, engineer, etc?

I have a close buddy of mine that just can't succeed in school, and no matter how much he tries he can't do it. His parents want him to be a doctor (like all parents)...but all that did was kill his gpa. He found out that he hates sciences (he can't concentrate), but he knows his way around computers, c++, etc. He now makes a good living in IT/ICS, although he had to go back to school to get his BA, he was more successful the second time around.

You sure you want to be a pharmacist? Or is your heart set on something else?

You can also step away from school, clear out your head, and go back when you are ready. It took me 8 years before I stepped back into a classroom.

 

[Sparda29]

Who the hell actually reads all those little fine print agreements? Not once in there did it say that it is prosecutable.

He was talking about starting over, not transferring

Basically, so yeah, he just drops out of whatever college he is in.

He applies to another college as a freshman, gives them his SAT scores and whatever high school transcript and starts as a freshman. No grades are transferred over, he just starts the process over.

 

[happycow]

Most (if not ALL) institutions require ALL COLLEGE LEVEL COURSEWORK, whether or not they have anything to do with prereqs. I took a dance class at a CC while in high school, and I still had to go all the way over there to request a transcript.

 

[mrblah]

Who the hell actually reads all those little fine print agreements? Not once in there did it say that it is prosecutable.

Lawyers do (the guys that wear suits, carry briefcases, and charge 100 dollars a hour).

If you don't read the fine print, and are caught doing something like this. You will get kicked out of the school, but that isn't the end of your problems. You lose out of the tuition you prepaid that year (they'll prorate it). You lose out of the tuition you paid previously (since you can't continue on), you can't transfer to other schools (because you are being kicked out), and now you have to start paying back that $40,000 to $100,000 dollar loan you took out, even though you are not a pharmacist, nor do you get paid like one. Here is the sad thing, you can't declare bankruptsy on school loans. So you just ruined your credit, and god forbid, your family had to co-sign those loans, you just ruined their credit too.

These are some of the things that can happen if you "don't read the fine print".

 

[UES Girl]

If I was you I would stop responding to this Sparda guy I think there is something seriously wrong with him if he thinks that such serious fraud is acceptable.

 

[Pharmpills]

wow, I can't believe i'm typing this...ok, here it goes

I went to community college right out of HS. I've always wanted to work in Pharmacy (heck I've been a pharmacy technician for 6 years)

anyway...*sigh*

i've taken just about every science class over at least twice. I'm probably the biggest idiot I know.

the CC I went to did not have the +- system and when you fail a class the bad grade does not show up on your final transcript. So for example, if I got a c- in a class my transcript would just say C. Anyway:

I somehow got a D in chem 101 retook it and got a C
passed 1st semester general chem with a C
failed second semester general chem with an F. retook it and got a C
got a D in anatomy. retook it and got a C in it
got an F in marcoeconomics retook it and got a C
took 1st semester algebra based physics got an F retook it and got a C

now i'm at a university I failed microbiology (D) retook it and got a C-

failed 1st semester general biology D retook it and got a B

i've taken 1st semester O-chem 1..2..3 times getting a D every time I finally passed this fourth time with an absolute lowest of the low C- (at a university that honors the +- system) the only reason why the instructor passed me was because he didn't add up my points correctly on an older exam (BTW i'm a chem major)

i've failed 1st semester calculus 1..2..3..4..5 times and passed it with a B on my 6th try. The 5th time I took the course I took it at the university that keeps the grade of failed classes on your final transcript, so i'm definitly screwed in that department!

so basically all of the other prereqs (sociology psychology englishes etc) that are required i've passed them with B's or A's

now am currently taking Calculus II, O-Chem II, General Biology II and Art Appreciation. I'm doing fine in these clases and i'll pass them with decent grades however I think its too late for a variety of reasons:

1. Some schools want you to retake gnereal chem if its been longer than 7 years since you've last taken them. Fall 08 will be the 7th year for those classes.

2 Some colleges don't accept C-'s as passing

I'm 24 years old and I feel like i've been doing nothing but screw around these past few years. I don't know whats wrong with me. I like the subjects I think its cool to learn sciences. The strange thing is, I don't do anything. I don't go out with friends I don't drink or go to parties or anything.

What would you guys do in my situation? Heck, There's no reason to ask that question you guys are too smart to ever fall down the path i've gone. you don't have to respond to this topic I just felt like venting somewhere.

The only thing I can think of doing is moving far away and starting my college career all over again. But the only reason why i'm still in college is because I still live at home and thus I can pay for my own tuition, plus I have a bit of money stored away in savings. When people ask why I haven't gotten into pharmacy school yet, I just tell them...i'm only taking a couple of classes a semester, which is a lie since I average 14-17 units/semester...

oh and if you want to know, I'm on Academic Probation because I have a GPA of about 2.0145 and i'm at senoir status because I have so many units.....

ok, I guess i'm done.

Wow your story is absolutely horrible and one of the sadest ive seen on SDN ever. It seems your chances are slim to get into pharmacy school but still possible i guess. I mean MAYBE pharmacy wasnt meant for u, its hard to hear that but u dont want to keep trying to reach for something that could never be reached. I mean pharmacy classes are insanely hard and general chem shouldve been a breeze but i do feel for u. The good news is that there are still options, u should try to get ur degree first or heck major in two degrees like business or something that wont require professional school. Alot of ppl might say ohh why am i telling u to give up ur dream, im not. All im saying is that ur chances are very very low BUT there are other options. Success in life dosnt mean how much money u can bring in but what makes u happy after all everyone here will die and leave it all. I mean i applied to pharmacy and a different field this year bc i feared i would not get into pharmacy school so its ok to have back ups. At least u tried and u have a ~2.0 bc some ppl dont even go to college and u can still get ur degree. goodluck

 

[misswash82]

Wow your story is absolutely horrible and one of the sadest ive seen on SDN ever. It seems your chances are slim to get into pharmacy school but still possible i guess. I mean MAYBE pharmacy wasnt meant for u, its hard to hear that but u dont want to keep trying to reach for something that could never be reached. I mean pharmacy classes are insanely hard and general chem shouldve been a breeze but i do feel for u. The good news is that there are still options, u should try to get ur degree first or heck major in two degrees like business or something that wont require professional school. Alot of ppl might say ohh why am i telling u to give up ur dream, im not. All im saying is that ur chances are very very low BUT there are other options. Success in life dosnt mean how much money u can bring in but what makes u happy after all everyone here will die and leave it all. I mean i applied to pharmacy and a different field this year bc i feared i would not get into pharmacy school so its ok to have back ups. At least u tried and u have a ~2.0 bc some ppl dont even go to college and u can still get ur degree. goodluck

I agree with Pharmpills. If I were you, I would just find something I can do better, instead of pharmacy. You said that you did well on sociology, English, and philosophy. I would pick up from them and see if I can become something else. Pharmacy is extremely hard core. Even professors warned us about the second and third years in pharmacy. And, I believe there is no retake. If you want to retake the course, you have to wait another year, so that you can retake with next year students. Well, I hope you make a right choice at this point. Good luck

 

[Transformer]

wow, I can't believe i'm typing this...ok, here it goes

I went to community college right out of HS. I've always wanted to work in Pharmacy (heck I've been a pharmacy technician for 6 years)

anyway...*sigh*

i've taken just about every science class over at least twice. I'm probably the biggest idiot I know.

the CC I went to did not have the +- system and when you fail a class the bad grade does not show up on your final transcript. So for example, if I got a c- in a class my transcript would just say C. Anyway:

I somehow got a D in chem 101 retook it and got a C
passed 1st semester general chem with a C
failed second semester general chem with an F. retook it and got a C
got a D in anatomy. retook it and got a C in it
got an F in marcoeconomics retook it and got a C
took 1st semester algebra based physics got an F retook it and got a C

now i'm at a university I failed microbiology (D) retook it and got a C-

failed 1st semester general biology D retook it and got a B

i've taken 1st semester O-chem 1..2..3 times getting a D every time I finally passed this fourth time with an absolute lowest of the low C- (at a university that honors the +- system) the only reason why the instructor passed me was because he didn't add up my points correctly on an older exam (BTW i'm a chem major)

i've failed 1st semester calculus 1..2..3..4..5 times and passed it with a B on my 6th try. The 5th time I took the course I took it at the university that keeps the grade of failed classes on your final transcript, so i'm definitly screwed in that department!

so basically all of the other prereqs (sociology psychology englishes etc) that are required i've passed them with B's or A's

now am currently taking Calculus II, O-Chem II, General Biology II and Art Appreciation. I'm doing fine in these clases and i'll pass them with decent grades however I think its too late for a variety of reasons:

1. Some schools want you to retake gnereal chem if its been longer than 7 years since you've last taken them. Fall 08 will be the 7th year for those classes.

2 Some colleges don't accept C-'s as passing

I'm 24 years old and I feel like i've been doing nothing but screw around these past few years. I don't know whats wrong with me. I like the subjects I think its cool to learn sciences. The strange thing is, I don't do anything. I don't go out with friends I don't drink or go to parties or anything.

What would you guys do in my situation? Heck, There's no reason to ask that question you guys are too smart to ever fall down the path i've gone. you don't have to respond to this topic I just felt like venting somewhere.

The only thing I can think of doing is moving far away and starting my college career all over again. But the only reason why i'm still in college is because I still live at home and thus I can pay for my own tuition, plus I have a bit of money stored away in savings. When people ask why I haven't gotten into pharmacy school yet, I just tell them...i'm only taking a couple of classes a semester, which is a lie since I average 14-17 units/semester...

oh and if you want to know, I'm on Academic Probation because I have a GPA of about 2.0145 and i'm at senoir status because I have so many units.....

ok, I guess i'm done.

"I like the subjects I think its cool to learn sciences. The strange thing is, I don't do anything. I don't go out with friends I don't drink or go to parties or anything. What would you guys do in my situation?"



First thing you should do is take some time off and think about whether or not you are still serious about becoming a pharmacist. Seriously consider other realistic career options as well.

I suggest you go out with friends sometimes. By meeting and making new friends, you might find new information about possible back up careers.

If you must become a pharmacist, then you must consider concentrating all your efforts in earning As in all your classes. let me repeat this. Its imperative you ace all your classes.

Its really easier said than done. In your situation, admission committee will consider you for admission if you can ace almost all your classes.

good luck!

p.s. consider USN. Look into their academic forgiveness policy.

 

[tootoo30]

Okay like the other posters stated maybe you need to step back and evaluate your situation because it seems like science and math is just not your thing. I'll be the first to abmit that I went to school for computers because its something I enjoy and something I'm good at. I decided to pursue pharmacy because it has always been a dream of mine. I always ran away from science classes because they seemed hard and intimidating, but once I buckled down and set a study schedule, I have been doing great. If you do decide to continue on, you may want to focus on one science class at at time, so you can get the help you need with less distractions.

HTH

 

[kemist]

Cheburashka,

Get off your high horse. Arrogance will be your downfall. Actually, it already was since UCSF rejected you. Even the school you "didn't much care for", rejected you.

You seem like a mean and vindictive person.

Don't judge people who screwed up badly and want a fresh start. Healthcare providers are supposed to be sympathetic and compassionate.

(Shes probably sending off a couple dozen emails right now to report "anti-pharmcas" activities)

 

[SoccerCoach10]

wow, I can't believe i'm typing this...ok, here it goes

I went to community college right out of HS. I've always wanted to work in Pharmacy (heck I've been a pharmacy technician for 6 years)

anyway...*sigh*

i've taken just about every science class over at least twice. I'm probably the biggest idiot I know.

the CC I went to did not have the +- system and when you fail a class the bad grade does not show up on your final transcript. So for example, if I got a c- in a class my transcript would just say C. Anyway:

I somehow got a D in chem 101 retook it and got a C
passed 1st semester general chem with a C
failed second semester general chem with an F. retook it and got a C
got a D in anatomy. retook it and got a C in it
got an F in marcoeconomics retook it and got a C
took 1st semester algebra based physics got an F retook it and got a C

now i'm at a university I failed microbiology (D) retook it and got a C-

failed 1st semester general biology D retook it and got a B

i've taken 1st semester O-chem 1..2..3 times getting a D every time I finally passed this fourth time with an absolute lowest of the low C- (at a university that honors the +- system) the only reason why the instructor passed me was because he didn't add up my points correctly on an older exam (BTW i'm a chem major)

i've failed 1st semester calculus 1..2..3..4..5 times and passed it with a B on my 6th try. The 5th time I took the course I took it at the university that keeps the grade of failed classes on your final transcript, so i'm definitly screwed in that department!

so basically all of the other prereqs (sociology psychology englishes etc) that are required i've passed them with B's or A's

now am currently taking Calculus II, O-Chem II, General Biology II and Art Appreciation. I'm doing fine in these clases and i'll pass them with decent grades however I think its too late for a variety of reasons:

1. Some schools want you to retake gnereal chem if its been longer than 7 years since you've last taken them. Fall 08 will be the 7th year for those classes.

2 Some colleges don't accept C-'s as passing

I'm 24 years old and I feel like i've been doing nothing but screw around these past few years. I don't know whats wrong with me. I like the subjects I think its cool to learn sciences. The strange thing is, I don't do anything. I don't go out with friends I don't drink or go to parties or anything.

What would you guys do in my situation? Heck, There's no reason to ask that question you guys are too smart to ever fall down the path i've gone. you don't have to respond to this topic I just felt like venting somewhere.

The only thing I can think of doing is moving far away and starting my college career all over again. But the only reason why i'm still in college is because I still live at home and thus I can pay for my own tuition, plus I have a bit of money stored away in savings. When people ask why I haven't gotten into pharmacy school yet, I just tell them...i'm only taking a couple of classes a semester, which is a lie since I average 14-17 units/semester...

oh and if you want to know, I'm on Academic Probation because I have a GPA of about 2.0145 and i'm at senoir status because I have so many units.....

ok, I guess i'm done.

The key here is to really take some time to examine WHY you've done so poorly in these courses. If you really don't understand the material, then maybe pharmacy isn't for you. The material will only get harder. If you do well on homework and stuff and feel like you understand, but literally bomb the exams and quizzes, then maybe you have issues with test taking. I think that when you've taken a course 5+ times and still have issues, then maybe you should re-evaluate what your goals are. Do you have issues with keeping your attention or focus while studying for class?

Even if you start over at a different college, your transcript is permanent record. Even if you are completely dishonest and don't report those credits and grades and happen to get into a school, they will find out. Background checks are done at most if not all schools, so they WILL be able to see that you neglected to report that information.

I wish nothing but the best for you and hope that you can figure out the best way to approach this. All in all, remember to be honest with yourself and the schools you choose to apply to.

 

[justyliz]

Cheburashka,

Get off your high horse. Arrogance will be your downfall. Actually, it already was since UCSF rejected you. Even the school you "didn't much care for", rejected you.

You seem like a mean and vindictive person.

Don't judge people who screwed up badly and want a fresh start. Healthcare providers are supposed to be sympathetic and compassionate.

(Shes probably sending off a couple dozen emails right now to report "anti-pharmcas" activities)

There's no need to get personal here...if you want to withhold transcripts to PharmCAS and are willing to face the repercussions of the school finding out, go right ahead. I agree that everyone is entitled to a fresh start, but there are many ways of doing it. You can explain how your upward trend from your early college years represent your motivation to pursue pharmacy in the PS and interview. GPA isn't everything. I'm sure many people have done things like withhold transcripts, or pre-screen LOR's before sending them, but it's not to say that it's right.

Another thing...AdComs aren't stupid, when they see a 5 year gap unaccounted for, that will leave questions in their mind. What will you say when they ask you what you did during the time you withheld transcripts? Will you lie about what you've been doing? It almost seems easier to just show all of your grades and explain your poor performance through your application. My opinion is, you're applying to pharmacy schools on their playing grounds, so you should play by their rules. Just my 2 cents...

 

[kemist]

I have no intention to withhold my transcripts. My GPA has always been high.

Would I be upset if a fellow pre-pharm withheld transcripts? Would I tell? No and no. I'm a good person, not a snitch/bully. I forgive people for past mistakes.

 

[monsterbrain]

Lawyers do (the guys that wear suits, carry briefcases, and charge 100 dollars a hour).

If you don't read the fine print, and are caught doing something like this. You will get kicked out of the school, but that isn't the end of your problems. You lose out of the tuition you prepaid that year (they'll prorate it). You lose out of the tuition you paid previously (since you can't continue on), you can't transfer to other schools (because you are being kicked out), and now you have to start paying back that $40,000 to $100,000 dollar loan you took out, even though you are not a pharmacist, nor do you get paid like one. Here is the sad thing, you can't declare bankruptsy on school loans. So you just ruined your credit, and god forbid, your family had to co-sign those loans, you just ruined their credit too.

These are some of the things that can happen if you "don't read the fine print".

I honestly had no idea that pharmacy schools would care about grades 15-20 years old. I took about 5 classes at a community college right out of highschool in a different state almost 20 years ago. I made A's in every one of them. Since the pharmacy school I applied to was not going to count them because they were so old, I didn't think it necessary to report them at all. So you people honestly think I will get in trouble as mentioned above?

And to the OP - find another passion. I have a 3.72 pre-req GPA, 76 pcat, and 2+ years pharmacy experience and may not get accepted. There are many, many more students out there with equal or better stats (knickerbocker) that won't get in. Don't waste any more of your life. I'm not saying your aren't an intelligent or worthy person; pharmacy school is just too competitive for you to ever succeed.

 

[justyliz]

I honestly had no idea that pharmacy schools would care about grades 15-20 years old. I took about 5 classes at a community college right out of highschool in a different state almost 20 years ago. I made A's in every one of them. Since the pharmacy school I applied to was not going to count them because they were so old, I didn't think it necessary to report them at all. So you people honestly think I will get in trouble as mentioned above?

And to the OP - find another passion. I have a 3.72 pre-req GPA, 76 pcat, and 2+ years pharmacy experience and may not get accepted. There are many, many more students out there with equal or better stats (knickerbocker) that won't get in. Don't waste any more of your life. I'm not saying your aren't an intelligent or worthy person; pharmacy school is just too competitive for you to ever succeed.

Why all the negativity, monsterbrain? You've got great stats and I'm sure you will get in somewhere. I'm also sure that Knick will get into one of the Texas schools too. Good luck, and stay positive!

 

[Pharmpills]

Maybe if he has high grades in high school he can enter into the 6 year program but what is it worth if u cant do well in that. As i said do what U CAN DO, i cant be a rocket scientist so u dont see me going for that and most people cant be doctors and lawyers too otherwise they would get paid crap. Focus on getting a career whatever it maybe and buying a house and working towards your goal and u will be happy for sure.

 

[AbsoluteEthanol]

i'm very surprised at everyone's naiveness in this forum. if you guys think that cheating does not go on during the application process, you better wake-up! i have 3, count them, 3 friends that got into prestigious California pharmacy schools by significantly lying about their job/volunteer experiences. what a shame!


to the thread starter: pharmacy pre-requisites will directly represent how you would do in pharmacy school. i suggest you pick another great profession, you just aren't wired for pharmacy friend!

 

[OrllY]

1) If you did learn anything in these classes and just did poorly on the tests, this will show on your PCAT score. High PCAT score can help you get an interview
2) Most Texas schools only look at the last 5 years of college work done, and most only consider your highest grades if you have retaken a course.

 

[UES Girl]

Cheburashka,

Get off your high horse. Arrogance will be your downfall. Actually, it already was since UCSF rejected you. Even the school you "didn't much care for", rejected you.

You seem like a mean and vindictive person.

Don't judge people who screwed up badly and want a fresh start. Healthcare providers are supposed to be sympathetic and compassionate.

(Shes probably sending off a couple dozen emails right now to report "anti-pharmcas" activities)

I think I'd be offended if I didn't have like 5 people at a time shove it my face. At the time I posted that post I have received a number of messages from people who got interveiws telling me what a weak applicant I was and that nooo way in the world would I be accepted. It hurt like hell at a time but I got over it. What happened to those people ? Let's just say none of them been accepted.

 

[UES Girl]

i'm very surprised at everyone's naiveness in this forum. if you guys think that cheating does not go on during the application process, you better wake-up! i have 3, count them, 3 friends that got into prestigious California pharmacy schools by significantly lying about their job/volunteer experiences. what a shame!

I guess I am naive. I am quite a ***** actually. Lat week when I was in school I overheard two pre-pharms talking about how they are hiring an english major to write their PS and supplemental assays. A ***** like me spent several weeks writing my own stuff. I overheard another person talking about how she was able to get a fake volunteer experience because she knows the pharmacist who is a family friend. A ***** like me has actually volunteered all the hours I put on my application.

 

[Ben1988]

wow, I can't believe i'm typing this...ok, here it goes

I went to community college right out of HS. I've always wanted to work in Pharmacy (heck I've been a pharmacy technician for 6 years)

anyway...*sigh*

i've taken just about every science class over at least twice. I'm probably the biggest idiot I know.

the CC I went to did not have the +- system and when you fail a class the bad grade does not show up on your final transcript. So for example, if I got a c- in a class my transcript would just say C. Anyway:

I somehow got a D in chem 101 retook it and got a C
passed 1st semester general chem with a C
failed second semester general chem with an F. retook it and got a C
got a D in anatomy. retook it and got a C in it
got an F in marcoeconomics retook it and got a C
took 1st semester algebra based physics got an F retook it and got a C

now i'm at a university I failed microbiology (D) retook it and got a C-

failed 1st semester general biology D retook it and got a B

i've taken 1st semester O-chem 1..2..3 times getting a D every time I finally passed this fourth time with an absolute lowest of the low C- (at a university that honors the +- system) the only reason why the instructor passed me was because he didn't add up my points correctly on an older exam (BTW i'm a chem major)

i've failed 1st semester calculus 1..2..3..4..5 times and passed it with a B on my 6th try. The 5th time I took the course I took it at the university that keeps the grade of failed classes on your final transcript, so i'm definitly screwed in that department!

so basically all of the other prereqs (sociology psychology englishes etc) that are required i've passed them with B's or A's

now am currently taking Calculus II, O-Chem II, General Biology II and Art Appreciation. I'm doing fine in these clases and i'll pass them with decent grades however I think its too late for a variety of reasons:

1. Some schools want you to retake gnereal chem if its been longer than 7 years since you've last taken them. Fall 08 will be the 7th year for those classes.

2 Some colleges don't accept C-'s as passing

I'm 24 years old and I feel like i've been doing nothing but screw around these past few years. I don't know whats wrong with me. I like the subjects I think its cool to learn sciences. The strange thing is, I don't do anything. I don't go out with friends I don't drink or go to parties or anything.

What would you guys do in my situation? Heck, There's no reason to ask that question you guys are too smart to ever fall down the path i've gone. you don't have to respond to this topic I just felt like venting somewhere.

The only thing I can think of doing is moving far away and starting my college career all over again. But the only reason why i'm still in college is because I still live at home and thus I can pay for my own tuition, plus I have a bit of money stored away in savings. When people ask why I haven't gotten into pharmacy school yet, I just tell them...i'm only taking a couple of classes a semester, which is a lie since I average 14-17 units/semester...

oh and if you want to know, I'm on Academic Probation because I have a GPA of about 2.0145 and i'm at senoir status because I have so many units.....

ok, I guess i'm done.

Maybe pharmacy is not for you?


To be honest, I wish in canada that we could retake subjects.

Retaking subjects should be easy because you have already learned the material.... and if you still can't do it, I'm not sure pharmacy is right for you.

there's a lot of material to learn in pharmacy, and if it takes you three to five times longer than what normal people take then you're in bad shape.

 

[Knickerbocker]

i'm very surprised at everyone's naiveness in this forum. if you guys think that cheating does not go on during the application process, you better wake-up! i have 3, count them, 3 friends that got into prestigious California pharmacy schools by significantly lying about their job/volunteer experiences. what a shame!

My favorite is the students who come to our events for the free food, leave a mess, but don't actually participate in any of the work we do. If they need/want some food, that's fine, but some have the nerve to put our organization down on their applications because schools don't have time to verify.

 

[AngelaCL]

To be honest, I don't think pharmacy school is for you at this time. There are some schools that offer grade forgiveness (For example, at Purdue if you wait a period of time (2 years, maybe?) and then retake *everything* they consider it a fresh start) which may be an option in a couple years, but for now it sounds like university is not the place for you. Get a job in the real world for a while - it might be great motivation to really buckle down and study next time around. Think about why you really want to be a pharmacist and what you really need to do to achieve that. Start trying to pay down your student loans - that might make you realize how not worth it it is to take a class multiple times.

I think a lot of people age18-25 go through the same thing. Sometimes it just take a littlle more experience and growing up. I know lots of people who messed around in college way too much the first time, failed out, and ended up going back later and doing much better.

Best of luck.

 

[AngelaCL]

Also, consider therapy. It sounds like you have major motivation problems... is it possible you are depressed? I can understand failing a class once or twice even, but beyond that... either you really don't have a skillset that matches what you need for a science-related career, or you just haven't put forth any work whatsoever. Now's a time to be honest with yourself.

 

[monsterbrain]

Why all the negativity, monsterbrain? You've got great stats and I'm sure you will get in somewhere. I'm also sure that Knick will get into one of the Texas schools too. Good luck, and stay positive!

Don't mean to be negative, just factual. But I am tired (mentally) from this process just as many others are. Sorry.

 

[Achilleus]

i'm going to be straight up honest with you. I think you are a very dedicated, hard working person who is no doubt motivated into going into this profession. But you have to be realistic here. If you haven't gotten higher than a C in most of your pre-reqs, you won't survive in pharmacy school... that's just a fact.

I don't think its fraud to go and start over as long as you don't transfer your other courses over. I think the amount of money that you have to pay and time you have to devote for all of those courses again makes up for any "fraud" or wtvr people are calling it on here.

I will agree that so many people lie/cheat on their applications. I worked hard to get my LOR's while others have relatives who are professors or pharmacits and what not and don't have to take the time to work in a pharmacy or get to know a complete stranger. They just have to ask their aunts or uncles or cousins to right a LOR and that's that. Same goes for volunteer/community service. It's insane. But that's the world we live and we can't change everyone. So I'm not going to sit here and cry about it, because I did what I had to and I worked hard to get where I am. And it feels that much more rewarding for me.

But like I said, starting completely over without transferring your previous courses would be advisable. But I would seriously look at the reality of things. You are probably not destined to go into this profession or anything related to math or science. It's one thing to do poorly in one or two classes but in almost all of them... that's just a sign. And the fact that you don't really have an excuse (drinking, partying, etc.) makes that sign even more clear. Evaluate yourself. If you're willing to spend more money and time and try this again, then by all means go ahead. But you have to be realistic with yourself and know when to accept that maybe this isn't for you.

All I can say is I wish you all of the best no matter what you decide to do. I really and truly hope that you are successful in the path you choose.

 

[BeautifullyMade]

You know Maestrojo, yeah something is wrong. And I think the big problem is that you have not yet figured out a study technique that works for you.

Before i even elaborate on that, i would encourage you to think and reassess why you are choosing Pharmacy as a career path. You say that you like the sciences, and you do in fact sound fascinated with the sciences, but some people are just not science capable or inclined, no matter how hard they try.

On the other hand, when a person decides they want to do something, no matter how hard, they will put in the required effort to accomplish that. I feel for you. But at the same time, i wonder after the 3rd or 4th time failing the same course, what did you do different to ensure that you don't wind up with the same poor grade?

Did you meet with tutors? Did you put in more study time than before? DId you work in groups or get acquainted with someone smart from whom you could benefit from?

If in fact you did do some of these things and wound with the same poor grade, then maybe you should re-evaluate and find something else which you may be passionate about and pursue.

Because at this rate, admission into Pharmacy school will come for you only years down the line. And that will be only if you do improve drastically on all your science courses. You have to be able to demonstrate that something was wrong and that you fixed it.

See i was on academic probation the start of my academic career myself because of several external factors, one of which included being lazy. Once i re-entered college, i had nothing but A's. So to have completed all the sciences (which i love and have a natural inclination for) and the histories, sociology, psychology (which i hate) and Physics (which i was absolutely petrified of), says that i worked hard. It is believable that i have fixed my problem, have learned and matured from the situation i was in before. You really do have to look at yourself and decide what you are willing to do and how much you are willing to sacrifice to get what you want.

By the way, i got all the A's working full-time. You have to learn what your study pattern is. you must discover when it is that you retain a lot of the material you study. For instance, i study right after i wake up in the morning. I understand perfectly then.

Best of luck. But seriously, you have to get serious. You cannot expect to skate by on meager attempts at obtaining good grades. And on the other, if you are indeed utilizing every external resource and still not making it, then choose another career path. You might really be brilliant at something else.

 

[Maestrojo]

ok, instead of quoting every one of you, i'll just make one big post since most of you are saying the same thing.

First of all, i'd like to thank you guys for grilling me. I'm more of a realist myself so I know my chances of getting into pharmacy school are low. Heck, Ron Paul has a better chance at becoming president than I have getting in to Pharm school w/i the next 4 years 🙁 Ron Pau 08!🙂

Everything you guys were saying has 100% truth to it. I got A's and B's in the "behavioral/literature classes (english psychology foreign language) because they are easy, any dummy can get an A in those classes. They coddle you throughout the whole semester the work load is always light and they grade far too easy. I'm actually a Japanese minor and I should be finished with that in the fall. But you know what? I hate those classes. I loathe them. I hate the vagueness and structure of the classes. See, that is one reason why I like the sciences, because there is always a right and a wrong answer like in the laboratory settings you're working toward a specific goal.

I guess I wasn't as clear as I thought I was on science. I understand it completly. for the most part I would excel in them but I think my main problem is a severe case of procrastination and over confidence in my ability. Here is how a usual semester goes. I walk into a class and usually do kind of poor on the first exam. Then I crack down and completly nail the next exam but then I get lazy during finals and study too much for one class that I don't really need to study for, or I procrastinate and think I have an understnading of the material. Then when said final is place in front of me, I can recall learning all of the material and sometimes the exact problems tha were in HW or older tests are on this final. but I just didn't put the time in to get the complete understanding. I guess I have a problem of translating what is in my mind onto paper.

Probably another problem is that i'm kind of a loner. People always try to be my friend and want to do HW with me, but I alwyas turn them down or give excuses why I can't go study. I know its stupid, I need those skills. but I feel like I'm being crutched when I ask for help or a study partner. Oh, and I NEVER go to tutors. I know stupid. It doesn't even sound like i'm sane, but that is this weird mentality i've adopted and i'm not sure where I got it from.

And in talks of switching careers....I...I just can't. I feel like i'd be doing myself a disservice by doing so. Working in a Pharmacy is the only job i've ever had. I know generic and brand names to hundreds of drugs and their uses. I know their interactions with other drugs. I can read doctors handwriting with ease, I have perfect trechnique in mixing IV's and chemotherapy drugs, I know almost all of the general pharmacy protocol I know how to dose vancomycin and gentamycin. I know how to prepare and choose dosings for TPN's. I just know too much stuff to just leave it all behind for something like "business" (which I don't even like anyway)I have been looking into pharmacy every since I was a sophmore in HS and knew I want't to do something in the medical field. It goes beyond money for me. I've worked in this hospital pharmacy every weekend for 6 years and full time during the summer. I've seen all of the hardships that can happen in a pharmacy, and I've had to cope with making mistakes due to misdosing and running out of vital medications that meant life or death to a patient. I really feel like I can do this, and if it takes another 5 years of school (wher e I basically start all over) then so be it.

BTW I didn't know it was illegal to disclose older transcripts. I'd never do something to jepordize my chances of becoming a pharmacist. Plus it would haunt me for my entire career. I could never do anything shady like that.

So, that's how I feel. As you can see, i'm kind of a strange person which is probably why I don't have many friends, but thats ok i'm not a person that needs constant companionship or have the urge to feel wanted. I'm just being myself.

 

[UES Girl]

I have to say I like your positive outlook on things even with as low chances as you have. You remind me of one of my friends - when I first met him he was doing extremely bad in school. He used to say - it was almost tooo easy for him and he had no motivation. Then he changed around and started doing his work - he would excell in any class he took and be the guy who earned the highest score in the class. I think you need to get your priorities straight, develop good study skills and make a plan for the next few years. As you probably realize the road to pharmacy school is going to be extremely challenging for you - but if you put enough effort you can make it. I sincerely wish you good luck !

 

[happycow]

Maestrojo, that passion of yours in itself will help get you far. I know prepharmers that excel academically that completely lack passion for the profession. Although one must also succeed academically in order to pursue pharmacy, that passion is essential and you seem to possess it! I just hope that you can channel that passion into improving your grades. Best of luck to you 🙂

 

[Pharmpills]

ok, instead of quoting every one of you, i'll just make one big post since most of you are saying the same thing.

First of all, i'd like to thank you guys for grilling me. I'm more of a realist myself so I know my chances of getting into pharmacy school are low. Heck, Ron Paul has a better chance at becoming president than I have getting in to Pharm school w/i the next 4 years 🙁 Ron Pau 08!🙂

Everything you guys were saying has 100% truth to it. I got A's and B's in the "behavioral/literature classes (english psychology foreign language) because they are easy, any dummy can get an A in those classes. They coddle you throughout the whole semester the work load is always light and they grade far too easy. I'm actually a Japanese minor and I should be finished with that in the fall. But you know what? I hate those classes. I loathe them. I hate the vagueness and structure of the classes. See, that is one reason why I like the sciences, because there is always a right and a wrong answer like in the laboratory settings you're working toward a specific goal.

I guess I wasn't as clear as I thought I was on science. I understand it completly. for the most part I would excel in them but I think my main problem is a severe case of procrastination and over confidence in my ability. Here is how a usual semester goes. I walk into a class and usually do kind of poor on the first exam. Then I crack down and completly nail the next exam but then I get lazy during finals and study too much for one class that I don't really need to study for, or I procrastinate and think I have an understnading of the material. Then when said final is place in front of me, I can recall learning all of the material and sometimes the exact problems tha were in HW or older tests are on this final. but I just didn't put the time in to get the complete understanding. I guess I have a problem of translating what is in my mind onto paper.

Probably another problem is that i'm kind of a loner. People always try to be my friend and want to do HW with me, but I alwyas turn them down or give excuses why I can't go study. I know its stupid, I need those skills. but I feel like I'm being crutched when I ask for help or a study partner. Oh, and I NEVER go to tutors. I know stupid. It doesn't even sound like i'm sane, but that is this weird mentality i've adopted and i'm not sure where I got it from.

And in talks of switching careers....I...I just can't. I feel like i'd be doing myself a disservice by doing so. Working in a Pharmacy is the only job i've ever had. I know generic and brand names to hundreds of drugs and their uses. I know their interactions with other drugs. I can read doctors handwriting with ease, I have perfect trechnique in mixing IV's and chemotherapy drugs, I know almost all of the general pharmacy protocol I know how to dose vancomycin and gentamycin. I know how to prepare and choose dosings for TPN's. I just know too much stuff to just leave it all behind for something like "business" (which I don't even like anyway)I have been looking into pharmacy every since I was a sophmore in HS and knew I want't to do something in the medical field. It goes beyond money for me. I've worked in this hospital pharmacy every weekend for 6 years and full time during the summer. I've seen all of the hardships that can happen in a pharmacy, and I've had to cope with making mistakes due to misdosing and running out of vital medications that meant life or death to a patient. I really feel like I can do this, and if it takes another 5 years of school (wher e I basically start all over) then so be it.

BTW I didn't know it was illegal to disclose older transcripts. I'd never do something to jepordize my chances of becoming a pharmacist. Plus it would haunt me for my entire career. I could never do anything shady like that.

So, that's how I feel. As you can see, i'm kind of a strange person which is probably why I don't have many friends, but thats ok i'm not a person that needs constant companionship or have the urge to feel wanted. I'm just being myself.

well as i said look into 6 year schools where u can re-start. im not sure they will allow u to start but u just might if u did well in high school. If u dont have alot of credits then you can improve your gpa but as i said dont think u MUST be a pharmacist. I admire ur determination but i know aton of things when it comes to pharmacy and have been doing it for awhile and if i couldnt get into pharm school then i would find something else. Actually thats what i did as a back up but i wont need that though since I got in Pharm school although im not going to that school but i do have another interview soon. As i said look into getting a fresh start with a 6 year school, try to socialize more and not feel sorry for urself after all at least u have options than ppl who never went to college.

 

[Pharmpills]

Maestrojo, that passion of yours in itself will help get you far. I know prepharmers that excel academically that completely lack passion for the profession. Although one must also succeed academically in order to pursue pharmacy, that passion is essential and you seem to possess it! I just hope that you can channel that passion into improving your grades. Best of luck to you 🙂

yeah i have to give him 11 out of 10 stars for passion and wanting to be a pharmacist. I have passion towards it but mines like 6-8 haha actually my passion towards getting in my number 1 school surpasses anyones determination here on a new level but i realized it kind of late 🙁 or is it?