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Are 15 days of vacation ( 2 weeks) and 5 personal/sick days adequate during residency?
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15 days is generally considered 3 wks. A lot of programs will get you a weekend on either end of thatIt is the same amount of days throughout the 4 years of residency. Also, I interviewed at 21 programs and the one I matched (rank #4) was the only one that didn't have 3-4 weeks vacation time, hence the reason I feel some kind of way. I guess I would have to suck it up since I really like this program overall.
4 weeks of vacation/pto is pretty decent... can’t really have more than a month off each year or else it may extend your training per ACGME guidelines...at least for IM and IM sub specialties...even if you get more than 1 month of vacation/pto/sick days.Are 15 days of vacation and 5 personal/sick days adequate during residency? I feel like I am getting the short stick at this program :/
Ok, I said all the other 20 programs I interviewed at had 4 weeks vacation, if the majority had 2 weeks or similar days I would have never questioned it... Did i actually complain about the residency as a whole? I just wanted to see what is the general consensus out there.
Thank you.
I agree, everything is always relative. I'd be a bit bummed if I matched to a program that paid less than all the others, or had less vacation than all the others.
What specialty was this for? 4 weeks just sounds unusual to me.
I am guessing those 4 weeks vacation included sick time? As mentioned above, ACGME guidelines only let you miss so many days per year regardless of reason (sick, bereavement, vacation, maternity/paternity, etc.) before you have to make it all up. I don't know if that number is 4 weeks or one month.
This is for AP/CP residency.
Indeed most of them included some educational leave within those 4 weeks but not all.
An example from one of the programs I interviewed at: 'You are eligible for the equivalent of four work weeks with pay. Vacation and/or educational leave must be scheduled by mutual agreement with your program director or designee' 'House staff may take up to five sick days per year at the discretion of their program director. Sick days are not subtracted from vacation time'
I could quote the other 19 to make a point but the picture was similar. It was either 20 days or 4 week wording most of the time in the benefit packages.
4 weeks and 20 days are the same since a week is generally 5 business days.This is for AP/CP residency.
Indeed most of them included some educational leave within those 4 weeks but not all.
An example from one of the programs I interviewed at: 'You are eligible for the equivalent of four work weeks with pay. Vacation and/or educational leave must be scheduled by mutual agreement with your program director or designee' 'House staff may take up to five sick days per year at the discretion of their program director. Sick days are not subtracted from vacation time'
I could quote the other 19 to make a point but the picture was similar. It was either 20 days or 4 week wording most of the time in the benefit packages.
I was thinking more of 2 weeks when i kept reading the 15 days on my programs benefits list. Then i realize it is probably 15 working days so indeed that makes it 3 weeks. But then again when the chief resident asked me to pick up my preferred vacation period, he specified to choose two weeks of any 4 week block. We shall see. 5 days more or less shouldn't be a huge deference.4 weeks and 20 days are the same since a week is generally 5 business days.
Sounds nice. Maybe 4 weeks is standard in psych, but I don’t think it is for most fields. So you could be getting the short stick for your own specialty
However, psych programs are typically much more cush than most other specialties. At my institution psych and PM&R (my specialty) were the ones who regularly worked around 50hrs or less a week after PGY2. Personally, I felt 3 weeks was plenty with my hours.
I am in Pathology. Maybe it is similar.
That's funny. It could actually mean that! Never thought about it.My bad. I thought AP/CP meant adult psych/child psych.
It depends on how they allow personal days. If you can use them for routine stuff (take a day off to do errands, doctors appointments, whatever you want), then that's the equivalent of 4 weeks of vacation - among the maximum any program will give.Are 15 days of vacation and 5 personal/sick days adequate during residency? I feel like I am getting the short stick at this program :/
My gen surg program was 2 weeks a year for the junior years, and 3 weeks a year at the senior years. We had to use vacation time for fellowship interviews which is why the extra week was given. We also got an unofficial 5 days off at either Xmas or New Years that didn't count as any of our vacation time. So I guess you could say we got 3 weeks as juniors and 4 as seniors/chiefs.
It varies widely by program. I know of surgery programs that give 4, but at the PGY1+/-2 level, it was just a solid month off that they picked for you.
But anywhere 2-4 is in the normal range.
My surgery program was 4 weeks/year, max one week off in a row except for your wedding ( 2 weeks) or maternity (4 weeks max, but you got no time off the rest of the year). Did not change based on PGY year.
No personal or sick days given. Fellowship interviews used vacation days.
More than 4 weeks off a year made you board ineligible. They now have a few modest extensions for certain circumstances.
My gen surg program was 2 weeks a year for the junior years, and 3 weeks a year at the senior years. We had to use vacation time for fellowship interviews which is why the extra week was given. We also got an unofficial 5 days off at either Xmas or New Years that didn't count as any of our vacation time. So I guess you could say we got 3 weeks as juniors and 4 as seniors/chiefs.
It varies widely by program. I know of surgery programs that give 4, but at the PGY1+/-2 level, it was just a solid month off that they picked for you.
But anywhere 2-4 is in the normal range.
And you can use all that time and be board eligible?15 days = 3 weeks. It's all about work days. I'd ask my chief about that if they asked me for 2 weeks because that's inaccurate.
I know you're path, but on the psych side, we often get the most spoiled. It's common for programs to allow for 20 days vacay, 3 - 6 personal days, and anywhere from 5 - 15 sick days.
I read the email from the chief again and it seems like even though GME states 15 vacation days that translates to 2 weeks a year. Makes no sense to me but what can I do...Your chief might be asking you to pick a 2 week block because it might be 2 weeks + 1 week that they give you where ever it fits. Some programs force residents to take vacation as 2w + 1w. My program gives us 3 weeks but only asked us what TWO months I'd want vacation in
Psychiatry requirements are actually super flexible. They practically add up to 36 months of a 48 month residency - the fourth year is basically all electives, and they can be fairly flexible with time off due to that.And you can use all that time and be board eligible?
And you can use all that time and be board eligible?
I read the email from the chief again and it seems like even though GME states 15 vacation days that translates to 2 weeks a year. Makes no sense to me but what can I do...
I just found out that I'm not going to make a single Christmas with my family for the next 5 years based on my program's holiday scheduling, so I'm a little bummed. At least we get a decent amount of vacation, but it still hurts. Christmas is the only time my immediate family gets together, making this even more difficult. Oh wells. Sacrifices, I suppose.
Unless every single resident works every single Christmas, this sounds quite impossible.How can that be? Intern year? Sure. PGY 2? Okay. But all 5 years they expect you to work Christmas?
Unless every single resident works every single Christmas, this sounds quite impossible.
My wife's program (Ob/Gyn), they're guaranteed one of the major holidays off each year - Thanksgiving/Christmas/NYE. My program (IM) wasn't quite that explicit, but it usually worked out that way unless you had a particularly rough set of rotations during the winter - and that might happen one year but certainly not all three.
How can that be? Intern year? Sure. PGY 2? Okay. But all 5 years they expect you to work Christmas?
Unless every single resident works every single Christmas, this sounds quite impossible.
My wife's program (Ob/Gyn), they're guaranteed one of the major holidays off each year - Thanksgiving/Christmas/NYE. My program (IM) wasn't quite that explicit, but it usually worked out that way unless you had a particularly rough set of rotations during the winter - and that might happen one year but certainly not all three.
It might be that their program isn't anywhere near family. I interviewed at a lot of programs that will guarantee one of the major holidays off (the day itself off), which isn't nearly enough time to travel if I'm working the day before and after.
Unless every single resident works every single Christmas, this sounds quite impossible.
My wife's program (Ob/Gyn), they're guaranteed one of the major holidays off each year - Thanksgiving/Christmas/NYE. My program (IM) wasn't quite that explicit, but it usually worked out that way unless you had a particularly rough set of rotations during the winter - and that might happen one year but certainly not all three.
It is the same amount of days throughout the 4 years of residency. Also, I interviewed at 21 programs and the one I matched (rank #4) was the only one that didn't have 3-4 weeks vacation time, hence the reason I feel some kind of way. I guess I would have to suck it up since I really like this program overall.
well after a conversation with the PC and Chief resident, it was clear they give us 2 weeks...15 days of vacation is 3 weeks man...
well after a conversation with the PC and Chief resident, it was clear they give us 2 weeks...
well after a conversation with the PC and Chief resident, it was clear they give us 2 weeks...
Did you read my posts? Chief resident asked me to pick a two week period. Website and benefits package was stating 15 vacation days. After asking the Program coordinator and the same Chief, they both stated it is 2 weeks that we get. So i guess weekends are included in the vacation days.You are kind of all over the place. Every couple days you lose another week of vacation lol?
Honestly, when I was ranking places I didn't really think of vacation. Especially, since the majority had 4 weeks and some 3 weeks for first year and 4 weeks for PGY-2,3,4. That's why i ranked this program 4th out of 21 Programs. I am very happy with my match overall.Ouch! I have to admit, I ranked a place lower on my list because they only gave 2 weeks...
Honestly, when I was ranking places I didn't really think of vacation. Especially, since the majority had 4 weeks and some 3 weeks for first year and 4 weeks for PGY-2,3,4. That's why i ranked this program 4th out of 21 Programs. I am very happy with my match overall.
That's seriously messed up. I'd be tempted to put in for vacation from Monday - Friday and tell them you'll be back on Friday night so don't count Saturday and Sunday.
I was just thinking the same thing.What did Rokshana do to get on the Bad Boy list????