Not sure how to decide on a specialty

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New MS4, supposed to be applying for the Match this cycle and still haven't settled on a specialty. I know that it's getting really late, but I'm just not sure how to decide. Apologies for the wall of text that follows.

For the most part, I didn't enjoy my clinical rotations; I didn't like sitting/standing around not doing anything for big chunks of time (that being said, I will take some responsibility for that, as I could have put myself out there on more rotations, gone and talked to patients more during down time, that kind of stuff). However, there were certain things about certain rotations that I enjoyed. Some examples:

IM: Once I was more comfortable with it, I enjoyed giving good presentations. I also enjoyed having difficult conversations with patients, and talking to patients in general. I do worry that this would be significantly less fun if I was carrying more patients, and I worry about the lifestyle, especially during residency.

Psych: Once again, I enjoyed having one-on-one conversations with patients, or at least the ones who were fairly lucid. I'm personally very interested in mental health, psychology, and philosophy, and feel like from an intellectual standpoint, psychiatry is the specialty most suited to those interests. I'm interested in the etiology of maladaptive beliefs/behaviors and think it would be rewarding to work with patients to identify where those stem from. However, I did my rotation on an inpatient ward, and didn't find working with very sick patients all that rewarding. I worry that for that reason, I would be miserable as a residency on my inpatient rotations, and that maybe this field sounds more interesting in theory to me than it would actually be in practice. The lifestyle aspect of psychiatry is definitely another plus.

Radiology: I felt like the personalities on this rotation were the most compatible with my own. I enjoyed how chill and friendly the residents were, and I felt like it was one of the few rotations where it felt like it was understood that I was there to learn rather than be penalized for not already knowing the answer to something. I also found the process of describing findings and combining it with the clinical context enjoyable and rewarding. However, I'm not sure if I could see myself reading study after study, day after day, especially at the pace it seems most radiologists are expected to read nowadays.

Pathology: This is actually the field I was interested in coming into med school, as I'd been (and continue to be) involved in pathology informatics research. I definitely find the basic science aspect of pathology interesting, and there's a lot of really cool tech/big data stuff coming up in the field now also, which I have the background to get involved in. However, while I find this stuff interesting on an intellectual level, I wouldn't say that I'm necessarily passionate about it the way I am about mental health, and I worry that I would be picking this specialty because it "sucks the least", so to speak.

Right now, I'd have to say I'm between pathology and psychiatry. I'm leaning more towards pathology, because I don't know if I necessarily need to see patients to be happy, and not seeing patients may actually be more sustainable for me in the long run. I think the most important things in a career for me are making an impact and having a sustainable lifestyle that allows time for other interests, which both pathology and psychiatry could fit the bill of. However, the main thing keeping me from making this decision once and for all is a worry that I'm not necessarily passionate about it, and that I would regret not choosing a field that aligns more with what I'm passionate about intellectually. I've also considered taking a year off to do research and clear my head a bit, and maybe learn more about myself and my values so that I could make a better-informed decision. This would also give me more time to possibly shadow other settings in psychiatry other than inpatient. I'm not really concerned about losing a year of attending salary.

Sorry for the wall of text, and if you've read this far, thank you. I appreciate any perspectives anyone is willing to share.
 
There are many specialties that branch off from IM, so that's probably the most flexible option for someone who's interested but not really sure. You voice concerns about lifestyle during residency, but that's only three years. Don't commit to a less-satisfying 35-year career just because of a slightly more demanding residency.

Can you schedule additional short rotations in different programs for psych, path and IM? You'd like to be able to parse the program-specific attributes from the specialty-specific factors, and rotating in a different hospital might be valuable in that respect.
 
Looks like you've narrowed it down to an outpatient focused non-surgical specialty. I would spend more rotations in pathology and psychiatry. I would also look more at internal medicine and family medicine. At the end of the day, speak to a counselor at your student affairs office. They're there exactly for these situations. Good luck.
 
I think that your suggestion of taking a research year might be a good idea. You have 4 specialties that are all very distinct from one another and it seems like you're being pulled in a bunch of different directions. Taking the research year would really let you explore each of those specialties a little bit more, certainly more than the 3 months until ERAS opens this cycle would allow for. I would consider doing research in something that bridges a lot of specialties (oncology seems to be the biggest link between the four specialties here at first glance, and has a lot of opportunities for research that are broadly applicable).
 
I’d just go IM and figure it out later
 
As others have noted, your indecision between very distinct specialties is a little worrying at this point in the game (June).

Right now, I'd have to say I'm between pathology and psychiatry. I'm leaning more towards pathology, because I don't know if I necessarily need to see patients to be happy, and not seeing patients may actually be more sustainable for me in the long run.
This is probably the first decision to make - patient exposure or no? Do you get anything out of seeing patients, or would you be fulfilled sitting in a "dark room" (path/rads)? Also, unless you've actually had a path rotation, you can't consider it.

Also, stop with the "hard residency" talk. You're going to have to work long hours at some point in every residency, and it's only a few years of your entire life. It shouldn't play a part in your decision-making.

Ultimately, ask yourself which rotations you spent the least amount of time staring at the clock. Then, shadow in those rotations for a few days each. You don't have time to do a bunch of two week rotations, because unfortunately the clock is ticking. As an M4, literally anyone will let you shadow. Shadow some outpatient IM or psych - I would assume 90-95% of the practice of psych is outpatient anyway. Once you decide, you can change all your M4 rotations to get some quick letters.

I'm giving you this advice because I was in your situation once, as I picked my specialty of choice around June after realizing I disliked what I had thought I would go into. I considered every field you listed, as well as several more. You can PM me.
 
It sounds like heme/onc might be a good fit. Having difficult/important conversations with patients, lots of research, relevant radiology and pathology.
 
Interest > lifestyle > $$$

Psych seems to be the winner...
 
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: find out whatever lifestyle you want to live and figure out what specialties afford that lifestyle. Then pick the one you hate the least.

Also, do not focus on residency. It is just the on ramp for the freeway you’ll be driving on for 20-30 years. Focus on the attending lifestyle/practice.
 
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: find out whatever lifestyle you want to live and figure out what specialties afford that lifestyle. Then pick the one you hate the least.

Also, do not focus on residency. It is just the on ramp for the freeway you’ll be driving on for 20-30 years. Focus on the attending lifestyle/practice.

What's your opinion on people who say "pick what you enjoy, when you're an attending you can practice however you want"?
 
What's your opinion on people who say "pick what you enjoy, when you're an attending you can practice however you want"?
Absolutely not true. A neurosurgeon is going to have call. Most hospitals would not hire a neurosurgeon who wouldn’t take call because they lose money. You won’t be able to be a full time neurosurgeon without taking call. Many hospital bound specialties are the same way.

My most important factors for lifestyle in no particular order:

Call or no call.
Inpatient or outpatient or both.
Weekends/holidays or not.
Shift work versus non shift work.
Nights vs no nights (similar to shifts but gets its own category because it is just that important. You can also have shift work and not work nights).
Continuity of care or bye Felicia.

These are far more important than being like: man I really enjoy taking out an appendix; it is so cool. Guess what, your first 50 appendices might be cool but when you’re 55 years old and I’m calling you at 3 am for your 1200th one, it’s not cool. It’s the furthest thing from cool.

Med students don’t appreciate these things and it’s hard to without having done whatever specialty for years. That’s why I always recommend to put yourself in an attending’s (not resident’s) shoes and work backwards. Answer all those questions first and come up with a list and choose from that. Your 50 year old self will thank you.
 
Would recommend every med student talk to their attendings about lifestyle.

You may notice that the spheres of people who are in select fields and the people whose personal lives are a disaster are a close match.
 
just start eliminating from things you dont like during your med school rotations..
If you are still confused- pick IM or FM...and go from there

I do not mean you, but there are times when premeds discuss specialty and which schools are best for it.. I did not know what I was gonna do until a couple of months before the application.
 
Lots of general surgeons doing bariatrics/breast/colorectal who don’t take ER call and only take call for their own group. Many of them don’t ever or very rarely work at night. Same with ortho. Definitely talk to many different attendings in different settings.

Interestingly the one’s who work almost every night where I am are podiatry, ortho trauma, trauma, OMFS, neurosurgery and plastics. We almost never do appy’s between 9pm and 7am. They can wait.
 
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When I was in med school, all the orthos advised me to do plastics for better lifestyle and $$. When I did plastics they all advised me to do derm for a much better lifestyle and still good $$. When I did derm they advised me to do derm.
Shadowing derm, they advised me to go into ophtho. Gadgets and something about all their stuff being separate and specific to them. Like a bubble. Idk
 
Thanks for the responses, everyone. At the end of the day, I want to do something that I enjoy (or at least has aspects of it that I enjoy) that allows me to live the lifestyle I want to live. I'll try not to let the rigor of residency dissuade me too much, and pay more attention to the lifestyle of the attendings. I have at least one morning of outpatient psychiatry shadowing lined up, and I will see if I can shadow my pathology mentor for a few mornings. I'll also try to set up a 2-week IM elective. If I'm still unsure at the end of all that, then I'll either consider taking a research year or take a leap of faith and go with my gut; I can always switch fields during residency if it comes down to that.
 
I can always switch fields during residency if it comes down to that.
Technically true, but don't go in with that mentality. Otherwise you might needlessly prolong your suffering / training. Attending life is significantly different than resident life. For IM, you can pretty much pick whatever lifestyle you want and there will be a specialty that can accommodate that (whether that's worth the extra training is another question).
 
Lots of general surgeons doing bariatrics/breast/colorectal who don’t take ER call and only take call for their own group. Many of them don’t ever or very rarely work at night. Same with ortho. Definitely talk to many different attendings in different settings.

Interestingly the one’s who work almost every night where I am are podiatry, ortho trauma, trauma, OMFS, neurosurgery and plastics. We almost never do appy’s between 9pm and 7am. They can wait.
Just because you don’t come in doesn’t mean I didn’t just wake you up for 10 minutes out of a dead sleep when you have a full day of operating starting in another 3 hours. Call sucks. No matter what type. For my surgeons I usually wait til 5:30 am to call about a non emergent case and just hold the patient in the ED during the night so the surgeon can sleep. Unfortunately most of my colleagues are not as thoughtful.
 
Your post screams psych. You dont have to do any inpatient as an attending, or as a pgy3 at many places for that matter.
 
Do an anesthesia elective. Most residents and attendings that I talk to all say they never knew they’d like it until they did it as a 4th year elective.
 
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